A better way of contacting Rina when she's away

[Guest Anonymous]

Hi, guys!

 

So, basically, it's like this...

... Esterina regularly, on a daily basis, goes to her wonderland for a few hours.

 

Side note: What she does, technically, is "disconnecting" herself as best as she can from me and our physical body, and she daydreams. So I guess it doesn't entirely fit the classic idea of "going to one's wonderland", but we still call it that.

Anyway...

 

In that state, I can experience all sorts of things, physical, emotional or whatever, even powerful things like pain, without her noticing it.

And trying to talk to her normally doesn't work, she simply won't hear me.

 

In short: This is our way of having privacy from each other.

 

The problem lies in my only method of contacting her in this state (or rather, the only one that I'm aware of).

 

It's a hard to describe, weird technique that I was always able to do ever since I was a child, but it was always a totally pointless thing... until we noticed that I can use it to contact her while she's away.

 

Basically, it's a weird thing where I force our body to experience an intense, odd sensation somewhere between tingling, euphoria and [idon'thaveawordforit] while... well, mindvoice-yelling my butt off at her.

That then actually works, and it's so far the only method that we found for me to contact her while she's away.

 

The problem: It's exhausting and raises our heart rate sharply (and our heart rate is already too high as is due to being ill).

Meaning, from a health-related point of view, it's something I absolutely shouldn't do at all... which is why we always agree on a certain time at which she comes back beforehand.

 

But sometimes it's simply very, very annoying and unfortunate to not have some good way of contacting her.

Calling her back ahead of time when I was the one who wanted to be alone in the first place, quickly asking her for a bit more alone time to get another writing exercise done and so on... nope, can't do it without using a technique that a) is outright unhealthy and b) makes her angry at me for reasons of [see a)].

 

So my question is:

Does anyone here maybe have an idea for something else that could work?

Some other sort of technique, preferably one that's not a health risk, that would allow me to contact her when she's in her wonderland / away / disconnected from me / howeveryouwannaputit?

 

Any constructive input would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

 

 

Greets,

AG

[Temar]

Hm. It's hard to say whether this would work for you, since you're such a unique case in so many ways, but...

 

Have you tried giving her a cell phone?

 

I joke, but that's the essence of what my system does. There are a handful of us active at any given time, with a great deal more sort of active but mostly located deeper in the headspace. But semi-actives can be sort of... summoned. Calling their name helps, or thinking of something associated with them (for example, one of my headmates, Meila, is always drawn forward at archery practice, but otherwise pretty much stays in the background).

 

We can't always come when summoned, especially if it's been a while since we were fully active, but it works most of the time. You start by calling their name and turning attention to their "essence." Then, if they're up for being contacted, they'll usually at least come forward long enough to check what's going on.

 

So yeah. Symbolically, we pretty much all have a cell phone. Our host can call us at any given time, and sometimes we'll pick up and other times she'll have to leave a message. Maybe giving her a literal cellphone while she's in the Wonderland might help. Symbols have power, and all that. ;)

[Guest Anonymous]

Have you considered creating a "messenger" servitor? It would be a servitor to carry notes to Rina in the wonderland and from her back to you. Just a thought.

[Brassow]

Pretty much all of it a symbolism, but like Temar, I would recommend using cell phones.

[Luminesce]

An intermediary seems the universal suggestion, but knowing you guys I think Melian's idea would work best. Whether it's a magic familiar, an owl delivering letters or a servitor, I think that would fit you guys well.

[AracnidsGrip/Rick]

Feferi: Hi, AG. Hi, Rina. 38) My host what does, is that he starts thinking in nothing, and then at us, when slowly calling us by our full name. It works, at least with me and the girls jejejejej 38D I hope I helped 38)

[LaceyJoshua]

Joshua and I call each other sometimes right before I go to bed, so I don't see how giving your tulpa a cell phone (or perhaps installing a phone in their house/building/whatever, if you have one of those) is crazy at all. You could also write a mental letter and send it off to her, in knowing that she'd get it soon enough (it just depends on how you look at it; I've sent a message via carrier bird before, and Joshua came around in a couple minutes).

 

If your wonderland is made in such a way that none of that would be feasible, then I second Melian's advice of creating a servitor.

[J.Iscariot]

Maybe Esterina needs that rest away from you for a while because she gets too tired. Let's make something very clear, it took some tulpamancers years of focus and practice in order not to have their tulpa get knocked off every now and then, or just fade in some background like some guy here put it. I don't believe in symbolism, only in actions that directly involve my tulpa, the most passive she will get will be her acting drunk and stupid due to tiredness. I thought that you said Esterina never 'faded' from your presence, but apparently, she does from how you put it. It's something a lot of tulpamancers go through, having their tulpa be inactive for quite a while until they're able to reach them again.

 

 

Aren't you the guy who made a few posts on how unhealthy it was to be in someone's presence at all times? Or how it was completely normal people needed distance? Did you give up on that mentality or something? (even though it seemed like self-comfort more than anything else) Tulpas need rest and I'd say that it's beneficial for Esterina to daydream or whatever you guys do. I personally think that you shouldn't seek to tweak around the natural balance of things. I got over the 'fade away' thing a long while ago, but to each their own. If this is harming your health and raising your heartbeat, please don't push this with being already ill. Your health comes in top priority and since you mentioned you're already ill, that's no good.

 

The way I am putting this is that Esterina is in a passive state of existence in that while, and exists as a concept more than she exists as an individual while you isolate yourself like that. If you isolate cognitive functions from her and all other senses then that takes away most of her identification processes and she can't do much. Reminds me of how Ika was when she was a few months old, girl got knocked out far too much but we learned a lot from it, there's a lot to it that comes in relation with chemicals in your brain from what I discovered but I'll be called a lunatic if I say any more than this.

 

I don't understand your situation entirely because I feel like, one way, it's detrimental to willingly bar out a tulpa from its emotions and cognition, and the other way, I don't actually know what Esterina is doing. Even you seemed uncertain as to what term to use to define her situation.

 

There is one solution but that would be very detrimental to your mental health. A solution that would accomplish everything you could possibly want to alleviate from your situation's hardship. Something that could make Esterina come back at any time, literally any time, and even get you beyond.

 

But man is not ready for this.

[IBreakGames]

Maybe Esterina needs that rest away from you for a while because she gets too tired. Let's make something very clear, it took some tulpamancers years of focus and practice in order not to have their tulpa get knocked off every now and then, or just fade in some background like some guy here put it. I don't believe in symbolism, only in actions that directly involve my tulpa, the most passive she will get will be her acting drunk and stupid due to tiredness. I thought that you said Esterina never 'faded' from your presence, but apparently, she does from how you put it. It's something a lot of tulpamancers go through, having their tulpa be inactive for quite a while until they're able to reach them again.

 

 

Aren't you the guy who made a few posts on how unhealthy it was to be in someone's presence at all times? Or how it was completely normal people needed distance? Did you give up on that mentality or something? (even though it seemed like self-comfort more than anything else) Tulpas need rest and I'd say that it's beneficial for Esterina to daydream or whatever you guys do. I personally think that you shouldn't seek to tweak around the natural balance of things. I got over the 'fade away' thing a long while ago, but to each their own. If this is harming your health and raising your heartbeat, please don't push this with being already ill. Your health comes in top priority and since you mentioned you're already ill, that's no good.

 

The way I am putting this is that Esterina is in a passive state of existence in that while, and exists as a concept more than she exists as an individual while you isolate yourself like that. If you isolate cognitive functions from her and all other senses then that takes away most of her identification processes and she can't do much. Reminds me of how Ika was when she was a few months old, girl got knocked out far too much but we learned a lot from it, there's a lot to it that comes in relation with chemicals in your brain from what I discovered but I'll be called a lunatic if I say any more than this.

 

I don't understand your situation entirely because I feel like, one way, it's detrimental to willingly bar out a tulpa from its emotions and cognition, and the other way, I don't actually know what Esterina is doing. Even you seemed uncertain as to what term to use to define her situation.

 

There is one solution but that would be very detrimental to your mental health. A solution that would accomplish everything you could possibly want to alleviate from your situation's hardship. Something that could make Esterina come back at any time, literally any time, and even get you beyond.

 

But man is not ready for this.

 

Perhaps he just simply wants a method to contact her that won't potentially send him to the hospital. He doesn't always need to contact her, but if he's in a moment of weakness and could use some support, it'd be nice to just simply be able to relay a message to her so that all contact isn't killed, and so she could at least know he needs something. I don't think there's much more to it than that, no need to start anything.

[Guest Anonymous]

Maybe Esterina needs that rest away from you for a while because she gets too tired. Let's make something very clear, it took some tulpamancers years of focus and practice in order not to have their tulpa get knocked off every now and then, or just fade in some background like some guy here put it. I don't believe in symbolism, only in actions that directly involve my tulpa, the most passive she will get will be her acting drunk and stupid due to tiredness. I thought that you said Esterina never 'faded' from your presence, but apparently, she does from how you put it. It's something a lot of tulpamancers go through, having their tulpa be inactive for quite a while until they're able to reach them again.

... I honestly have no idea what you're even going on about.

You're completely off-topic, that's the only thing I can tell.

I said completely clearly that she doesn't go inactive, but that her doing the described thing is simply what she does when one or both of us want(s) some alone time.

(Meaning, she isn't "inactive" during that time, but very much still conscious.)

 

Aren't you the guy who made a few posts on how unhealthy it was to be in someone's presence at all times? Or how it was completely normal people needed distance? Did you give up on that mentality or something? (even though it seemed like self-comfort more than anything else) Tulpas need rest and I'd say that it's beneficial for Esterina to daydream or whatever you guys do.

No one said anything else, least of all me... seriously, what are you even going on about?

 

The way I am putting this is that Esterina is in a passive state of existence in that while, and exists as a concept more than she exists as an individual while you isolate yourself like that. If you isolate cognitive functions from her and all other senses then that takes away most of her identification processes and she can't do much. Reminds me of how Ika was when she was a few months old, girl got knocked out far too much but we learned a lot from it, there's a lot to it that comes in relation with chemicals in your brain from what I discovered but I'll be called a lunatic if I say any more than this.

Not how it works for us, not what's happening, and no one, least of all me, implied that it does / is.

Again, what are you going on about?

 

I don't understand your situation entirely because I feel like, one way, it's detrimental to willingly bar out a tulpa from its emotions and cognition, and the other way, I don't actually know what Esterina is doing. Even you seemed uncertain as to what term to use to define her situation.

... yet again, what are you even talking about?

 

There is one solution but that would be very detrimental to your mental health. A solution that would accomplish everything you could possibly want to alleviate from your situation's hardship. Something that could make Esterina come back at any time, literally any time, and even get you beyond.

 

But man is not ready for this.

... wat?

 

Like, really, your entire post plastered one gigantic "... wat" all over my face.

I said this a lot in this post, but what are you even going on about...? O.o

 

Okay, okay, look, I'll try to make this as simple as I possibly can:

- Sometimes one or both of us want(s) some alone time

- We achieve that by her going to her wonderland

- We're both satisfied with that solution

- She isn't inactive during that time, but is very much conscious and simply does (lucid) (day)dreaming

- She can come back any old bleedin' time she wishes, nothing keeps her from doing so (it's very common for her to be a bit early or late, actually)

- The only thing that annoys us both is the lack of a good method for me to contact her during that <- What this thread is about.

 

 

Greets,

AG

 

 

PS: When she's actually mentally tired out and wants to rest, then she'll do something completely different.

She doesn't actually ever literally sleep, but she calls it "napping"; basically, she just stops perceiving through our body and just relaxes, not paying much attention to me.

I can still talk to her while she's "napping" when I feel like it, though. She hears me just fine.