Living Imagination (A Median Aspect in Tulpa Land)

[Guest Anonymous]

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The Melian Ankh symbol fixed up in 3D by a fan of mine on Deviantart!  Nice!

[Guest Anonymous]

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Walt Disney on the power of an active, immersive imagination and the ability to apply suspension of disbelief (in this case while experiencing animated cartoons).

[Tewi]

Thomas Theorem: "If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences."

 

Are you doomed to learn the same things over and over for the rest of your life? Well, I hope you enjoy learning.

[Guest Anonymous]

Thomas Theorem: "If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences."

 

Are you doomed to learn the same things over and over for the rest of your life? Well, I hope you enjoy learning.

 

Oh I know what you want me to learn.  That's not what the Living Imagination thread is about.  

 

The question is not whether I am learning anything.  The question I would like to ask is are tulpamancers learning anything from Mistgod-Melian?  People want me to "learn" how real tulpas are, and how they are not imagination.  The Thomas Theorem is talking specifically about imagination.  Active imagination is not fake or trivial and worthless.  I have been trying to get tulpamancers to learn this from me over and over again for a year and a half. 

 

We see people leave the forum and give up on their tulpas because they stop believing.  I find that incredibly sad.  They didn't just stop believing in the "reality" of the tulpas, they never held value in the products of their own imagination.  So losing faith or "discovering" or realizing a tulpa is a product of their own imagination destroys the tulpa.  

 

People should listen to Mistod and Melian, not the other way around.  Yeah I get it, I got it from the beginning, tulpas seem very real.  I get that part.  What I am saying is that they don't have to be actually real.  You don't have to have faith that they are actually real for them to exist.  

 

Also, I know that it is possible to have a thoughtform that is the product of active imagination (day dreaming) that can be vibrant, persistent, valuable and emotionally profound.  At least for some of us that is true.

[tulpa001]

If you were desperate to know the truth of a matter, would you ask a believer if it is true and be satisfied when they say of course, or would you ask a scientist, knowing full well you could end up with a complicated answer, or worse, exactly what you didn't want to hear?

 

Have I learned anything from you? Yes. Even if it is not the lesson you were hoping. Yes. Far more than I would have if you agreed with me.

 

Your perspective here is particularly valuable here specifically because it is a minority opinion.

 

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It is definitely true that imagination is involved in tulpas. At every stage.

 

It is also a fact that imagination is highly useful. A mandatory component of human cognition, in fact.

[Guest Anonymous]

If you were desperate to know the truth of a matter, would you ask a believer if it is true and be satisfied when they say of course, or would you ask a scientist, knowing full well you could end up with a complicated answer, or worse, exactly what you didn't want to hear?

 

Have I learned anything from you? Yes. Even if it is not the lesson you were hoping. Yes. Far more than I would have if you agreed with me.

 

Your perspective here is particularly valuable here specifically because it is a minority opinion.

 

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It is definitely true that imagination is involved in tulpas. At every stage.

 

It is also a fact that imagination is highly useful. A mandatory component of human cognition, in fact.

 

Thank you! That's great to know!

 

Hopefully people won't mind too much, but occasionally I will be posting memes, cartoons and quotes about the power of imagination on the Living Imagination thread. It is not meant to be a statement at all on the nature of tulpas, but simply support and enthusiasm for the products of human imagination, tulpas included.

[Tewi]

I didn't have a problem with the image you posted, it's just that it said the exact same thing as the Thomas Theorem which I've brought up multiple times in the past.

[Guest Anonymous]

I didn't have a problem with the image you posted, it's just that it said the exact same thing as the Thomas Theorem which I've brought up multiple times in the past.

 

Yes I know.  And I agree with it.  Yet we still have tulpamancers who "stop believing" and give up.  

 

Melian just told me she would say that having faith itself involves actively using one's imagination.  It's when we stop imagining that we stop believing, not just the other way around.  Isn't that an ironic kind of truth?

[Guest Anonymous]

We changed our minds. We won't be posting anything on this thread celebrating enthusiasm for active imagination after all. That quote from Walt Disney was the last. It's not worth the hassle. This thread will probably slow down some then. I am not sure what is going to go in it other than random ship tosting at this point.

[Tewi]

Ironic is me saying I had no problem with the picture making you guys decide to stop posting.