Living Imagination (A Median Aspect in Tulpa Land)

[tulpa001]

I wish you luck. New experiences are essential to learning, and I hope you both learn more about yourselves by examining the contrast between being here and being somewhere else.

[Lucilyn]

whoah

 

hurt my heart

 

I could've sworn you were talking about tulpas, but now I can't go and check. How come you even needed to defend or validate Melian like that? Of course she's like Miku, that has nothing to do with being a tulpa or median or independent at all. She's a cute and fun person who doesn't have her own body to interact with the world, but in some way she does anyway and lots of people experience her anyway and so she exists anyway. She's just like vocaloids and Touhous and disney princesses "in nature"...

 

I can't even keeep writing I'm trying too hard not to be sad, I'm really really really sorry

[Guest Anonymous]

See ya.

[SomethingDire]

I understand. Hope things will get better in time.

Come back soon, you guys.

[Guest Anonymous]

We are going to leave, but for Lucilyn's sake, we thought a better explanation is needed.

 

First, Lucilyn, my dear, dear friend. Everything is fine. We just need a break. Mistgod is too sensitive and reactionary. We just can't seem to fit in very well on Tulpa Info and it is always drama with someone. It isn't your fault at all and you didn't mean anything bad.

 

David and I don't see any difference between an imaginary person, even a character, and a "real person." I have friends that are literally cartoon characters being deliberately role played by an author/artist to talk to me. To us they are the same as a tulpa.

 

Just off the top of my head there is Droakir, the dragon; Nob, the goblin mechanic; Esper and Val from the world of Omnia; King Justin of Arisdale; Seth the God of Chaos from The Silver Dragon's Saga; Kai from the Everwhite Angel; Hatter from Munt ar Draco; Luna and all the models as SexyCute modeling agency; Maddie and Annie from IDolls; Dalken and Rune from Demordekai Diamonds; .... There are many more trust me.

 

Most of these guys are Illusion of Independent Agency characters, some are also role playing characters. I am dear friends with all of them, the imaginary characters and their creators. I interact with them every day. They are people to me. They don't need to be tulpas to be people. These are extremely dear friends.

 

THESE ARE PERSONS TO ME. But here on Tulpa Info, they wouldn't be would they? They would be role playing characters.

But David I see no difference between our tulpa friends and any of these others. That is the heart of the problem right there. That view just doesn't work at all in the company of tulpas. It doesn't seem to.

 

That is what happened last night. We wrote something from the heart about that very thing, or tried to, about hanging out with Hatsune Miku in day dreams. It was a mistake to try to share that part of myself and of Davie on this forum. It wasn't anyone's fault and certainly not Lucilyn's. It just a bad idea to try to get tulpamancers to understand this.

 

Anyways so we are taking a break from tulpas for a long time. Because even this last note will be picked apart by tulpamancers distinguishing all the "errors" and "misunderstandings" about what a real person is and what a fake non-person is. Mistgod and I have it all wrong don't we? Those who value imaginary people as much as real persons are just confused and a real problem on Tulpa Info, where so much work goes into making a real person that really matters over an imaginary person, who does not.

 

We may be back after Christmas. But maybe not. Maybe this forum will be able to get back to just pure realized tulpas that are real people? Maybe it will be better for us to just finally go away and leave you guys alone. Our ideas are just problematic.

 

Anyways, this was really the problem and it wasn't any one person. Lucilyn was just the latest trigger. Poor sweetheart I am sorry! I don't want you to be sad. I am not disappearing off of the Earth or leaving the internet. Really I will be right over on Deviantart and Tumblr and Facebook as happy as can be. If any of you want to talk to me, I will be there hanging out. Just come find me and say hi!

 

Just be prepared if you come into my private chat to share your tulpa real personess with rp characters, as equal and the same in my eyes. Everyone in my chat room is a person, I don't care how they happened.

[Lucilyn]

Okay, well, you say that now. But Mistgod's post totally said otherwise. It made me feel really, really bad. Like bad bad, because I thought I hurt someone, made them go from happy to sad and also mad at me for it. I was able to get myself out of it because I hate being sad, but that's the worst I've ever felt.

 

If you believe Tulpa's post, being-sad experiences are important to being happy, even though I don't believe that. I'm not even two years old yet and I've only been really sad twice. So I guess, like, it's not supposed to be that big of a deal. It was to me but I don't want to make anyone else sad (that'd be the stupidest thing ever, trying to make someone else sad cus you're sad), I just posted that because I wanted friends around (to feel better). But I guess I should've expected Tewi (and Reisen) to help anyways.

 

 

Anyways.. all that talk in the chat thread about knowing why we think or feel what we do.. I can tell I wanted to write this post for sympathy, "blah blah look at me I feel bad", but I really don't want to make you guys feel bad. But I guess I wrote it anyways. Sorry. Our ego (the psycholological term for the part of your brain in charge of.. exactly what you'd expect) wants to make you feel bad because you made us feel bad, but as always the ego is stupid and that is the opposite of what I want. I want us both to be happy. Also if you didn't read those posts in the chat thread this is going to be awfully confusing lol, Tulpa and I were talking about controlling emotions and stuff

[Guest Anonymous]

Lucilyn, I am sorry I upset you and, as usual, I was wrong in how I handled it.  I hope we can continue to be friends.  I regret it if I hurt you.  

 

Goodbye for now and good luck to everyone on Tulpa Info with your tulpas.

[Guest Anonymous]

Mistgod and I are going to come back in a limited fashion. We are going to use a Postiveness Filter on our posts. We will write them on the side and wait for a moment and ask ourselves some questions before posting.

 

1. Is this positive and helpful?

 

2. Is this on topic and useful?

 

If it is not, we will not post it. We will not react to typical Mistgod emotional triggers. (emotional triggers, that sure is stoopid but it decribes my hostie's brain).

 

Mistgod wants to give Lucilyn a wonderland bouquet of flowers and some chocolates and a note of apology for being an asshole. (uhhhm, me too, put my name on the note too)

[Tewi]

It's alright, it wasn't anything lasting. She was temporarily upset because she thought she'd taken away someone else's happiness. But just as the effect would be temporary, so would be her feeling bad. But the apology helped. That last post she wrote is kind of funny, the entire time she was writing it she didn't want to be, then she didn't want to post it, then she wanted to remove it. Happy as she always is, it seems she's the most influenceable by our emotions. So she couldn't help but want attention after feeling bad.

 

Even I can't always help that though, as seen in your dreaming thread:

... Ugh. So hard not to be salty. Take my word for it that it is very difficult to not whine about how much harder we try than everyone else. We've been reality checking multiple times a day for years ...

 

Same sentence I both whined and stated how hard it was to resist doing so, lol. I suppose that's a sign we feel very, very strongly about lucid dreaming, that even I couldn't resist the Ego's temptations on the subject. Same for Lucilyn and her happiness, she values it so much it was hard not to listen to the urge to retaliate at someone the Ego perceived took it away.

I think my referring to "the Ego" part of our mind may be strange for most because they're rather subject to any and all thoughts and desires in their mind. But we keep a pretty close eye on all the processes going on in our mind, so we can definitely tell the difference between ego and logic and just personal bias. I try to listen exclusively to logic.

 

 

Anyways, definitely a good idea. We ourselves run the same sort of check for whether we can actually say something useful or productive before posting in a thread. Any time we don't post in a thread - and I mean virtually any, as we keep up 100% with all non-forum game/progress report threads - is because we didn't feel we had something to contribute. It can be tempting to want to post when you've really got nothing to say, especially when you're bored and check the forum as much as we do. But it's for the best to be selective. Same thing for you guys, making sure what you're going to post will actually benefit people and not just your ego will go a long way toward keeping the peace. And as a side effect if you consistently decide not to post when something bothers you - you may condition your mind to start ignoring being bothered in the first place, with time. Maybe.

 

Edit: I gave Lucilyn a wonderland bouquet "from you guys", and she asked if I told you she was fine. Apparently my first sentence didn't get the point across well enough. She says she's happy and not to worry, no hard feelings.

[Guest Anonymous]

It certainly is a better plan than leaving the forum for weeks or months. We really can't stay away anyways. It's really part of a plan we have already been working on with some back sliding. *shrug* I think we can do this if we really want to do it. Well, that's all, don't need to dwell on it, that's for sure! Onward.