Creating a Child for Host and Tulpa

[Temar]

I think we're all kind of agreeing here, actually. XD

 

See, I don't have any objections to child tulpas, either. We have a few in our system where "teenager" is, like Mistgod said, just another trait they carry. I'd expect the same would be the same for a child, and I'm sure a lot of tulpamancers would benefit from having a bright, happy kid in their system. I know mine does. ;)

 

(Ayo: I'm 14! I'm not a kid! XP)

 

It's expecting them to develop the same way a kid would after creation that I'd find iffy. Not saying it couldn't be done.... the mind can do some cool and weird things like that. Just that the kid shouldn't be forced to follow the same development path a physical child does, since that's not usually how tulpas work.

 

One thing I didn't mention in the last post... OP, you should definitely hit up books and websites about child psychology. They'll help you make sure that, whatever age you start them at, they feel like a child of that age, instead of just a grown-up in a kid's body, which seems to be part of what you're worried about. Youngest I'd be personally comfortable with is around preschool range, since that's when things like sense of self and communication skills have started to manifest, but yeah, it's up to you guys.

[Tewi]

I'm sure a lot of tulpamancers would benefit from having a bright, happy kid in their system. I know mine does.

 

I have to preface this with the fact that tulpa children are nothing like human children, not in the long run at least. Using your mind's resources, they'll become competent, thinking individuals much more quickly. Especially if you're a rather open system that can share memories and the like.

 

Lucilyn definitely matches that description, she's been inspiring just to have around. And while she may be child-like, she is not comparable to a human child of similar age or appearance, because she is effectively as intelligent as the rest of us. Our ways of thinking all differ, and our values are personal, but overall I would consider us about equally competent if we really try.

 

Two things though. First, Lucilyn is definitely more child-like than anyone else in our system, and so we have a complicated relationship of being equals but not. I would say I'm older and likely to take care of her, and never the other way around. And yet, she's just as capable as I am at doing most anything, including thinking for herself. That's why I say tulpa children are nothing like real children, they're fairly unique, and you have to expect that.

 

Second, we all have been unconsciously growing over the last seven years, which I assume is due to our host himself growing. We've matured in our own ways along with him, especially mentally, but also apparently physically. At the very least I'd say most of us are taller and less childish looking than in 2010. Lucilyn is only a year old, and I'd say she's maturing a bit mentally if not physically.

 

I'd assume this sort of thing can be implemented through intent, like forcing I guess. While it was totally unconscious on our part (didn't notice until we compared old pictures of ourselves years later), it doesn't seem too difficult to expect your tulpa to age over time. Their actual maturing as they learn more about the world and themselves is a good marker for would-be physical growth.

[Solune]

...there's nothing worse than a hugbox.

 

Luna: In regards to stagnation? yes.

But you leave my hugs alone. Ya hear?

I only keep them in a box so they don't get lost!

 

In the interest of not getting us reprimanded for straying off-topic (LUNA), I say go for it.

The only problem I see with starting that kind of a family is running out of room in your head for the Tulpas that might come later.

If your child is like a physical child, it will probably want its own children someday. But hey, I can only speak to my own processing power.

I'm sure there are many people on here with much bigger brains than I.

[ourneverland]

First of all I'd like to thank y'all for sharing your point of views. This is really important for us, and so it is too see that people do take this seriously.

 

There is the issue of deviation, but I have always felt that deviation can be controlled or inhibited by someone with good visualization skills. If you want the tulpa to remain a child, I just think you would simply visualize it that way and actively inhibit or slow progress in areas you want them to grow more slowly in.

 

OP, I advise you to maybe start at a not too young age, and just try it out really. Just remember that you may not get the result you want, so if you're afraid it would not be worth it, maybe you should abstain.

 

I think we're all kind of agreeing here, actually. XD

 

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It's expecting them to develop the same way a kid would after creation that I'd find iffy. Not saying it couldn't be done.... the mind can do some cool and weird things like that. Just that the kid shouldn't be forced to follow the same development path a physical child does, since that's not usually how tulpas work.

 

 

I have to preface this with the fact that tulpa children are nothing like human children, not in the long run at least. Using your mind's resources, they'll become competent, thinking individuals much more quickly. Especially if you're a rather open system that can share memories and the like.

 

 

I feel that all of those make sense and indeed are convergent ideas. So I guess that our course of action is to 'design' out new thoughtform to be a child, but if it's going to be one is completely up to s/he. We are going to let our mind free to work as it's pleased.

One thing that we have been discussing is that regardless of the course that this take, s/he will be our son/daughter. And we are going to love him/her as such.

 

OP, you should definitely hit up books and websites about child psychology.

 

Most def a great idea. We've have got it covered! Thank you.

 

 

Second, we all have been unconsciously growing over the last seven years, which I assume is due to our host himself growing. We've matured in our own ways along with him, especially mentally, but also apparently physically. At the very least I'd say most of us are taller and less childish looking than in 2010. Lucilyn is only a year old, and I'd say she's maturing a bit mentally if not physically.

 

I can relate myself to this a lot. I am always just as old as Wendy, we grew up together (we have been about 15 years together btw). So I guess we expect this to our child as well.

 

 

The only problem I see with starting that kind of a family is running out of room in your head for the Tulpas that might come later.

 

If one day we come to be grandparents or even great-grandparents is really a whole other thing. We are willing to try this, tho. One step at a time.

[Linkzelda]

This might be an echo chamber. I didn't read previous replies.

 

At first' date=' we would like to have raised the kid, but we are having problems on how we would the develop the this new part of our system in an adult brain. It feels like after some time our child will develop "too fast".[/quote']

 

You see, that’s the thing. When a person makes a tulpa, developed experiential context with them, and create their own convictions that they’re sentient, or at least have the potential to be sentient, and sustain a continuity of self over time, they end up creating a virtue the becomes solidified; it becomes a fallback, and that virtue for developing rapport with each other becomes a little easier. But, when adding in a new tulpa, for whatever relationship context implied (e.g. wife, child, sister, mediator), that fear of yours in the child tulpa developing too fast may be due to this:

 

- You as a tulpa, and maybe your host as well, may be undermining the virtues you created to get this far. Almost to the point where you feel these virtues should be exclusive to you, and your host. And to have it bled onto another tulpa is why that fear of rapid progression comes along. Opinions will vary, but I don’t think everyone would be depressed to see that they don’t have to go through the trial and error because that trial-and-error has been cut substantial based on the experiential context and virtues created with you, and your host.

 

- This totality of virtues and experiential context isn’t analogous to a child getting a credit card, being spoiled, and the parent having to teach them lessons in life to learn how to finance. The analogies shouldn’t be taken too far to where one has to fear their own brain which is finding a way to make things real in a person’s experience even if it’s far-fetched, or seemingly impossible; imagination and passion has a way of trumping over logic, and trumping over those analogies with relationships.

 

 

 

- You could even make your subsistence as a tulpa as analogous to a child. From the starting point where they made the decision, directly/indirectly, “I want to treat Eric as sentient,” all the way to the experiential context they developed, the signs they got from you, and that ongoing feedback loop in Wendy treating you as an other in her mind, and you creating a continuity of self; that mutualism, and for any future tulpa, can be seen as analogous to childbirth to adulthood.

 

- But analogy is just an analogy. And because you’re speculating how to create a child tulpa, naturally, you would create presumptions on what it would mean to have a child, and how the emergence of a child in the real world comes to be. But, of course, you understand certain, obvious limits, and trying to recreate those events would be nothing more than metaphors and symbolism. But it’s through that symbolism, metaphors, and analogies that allowed things to come to be, except it was attributed for a different context. I’m guessing that context was just Wendy treating you as sentient + whatever relationship context she had in mind.

 

 

Instead of trying to use textbook logic of what makes a child, a child, even to the point where you want to figure out how to stagnate quick development (?), use the fallbacks, and virtues that were created to help you both create another tulpa for whatever relationship context. You could even justify this presumption of mine as parents wanting to use whatever resources to salvage whatever legacy they can leave behind. Here’s an analogy to describe this strife of yours with the tulpa child. Please take the analogy loosely:

 

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Tulpa and Host: Hey brain, we’re considering making a child tulpa

Brain: Kay.

T & H: But we don’t want you contributing in fast development because we feel this won’t be the right impression of what it means for a child to start at birth, and go through personhood and adulthood.

Brain: Okay….but how does the birds and bees relate to this experience you two want out of this?

 

T & H: Because it’s not natural for a child to be self-sufficient at an early age

Brain: Well, Mr. Eric, it seems you had a track record of being treated as sentient by Wendy. Let me go into my back office for a moment, oh, would you LOOK AT THAT! Oh, I get it. You want me to stagnate the progress to give the impression of a tulpa literally being analogous to a child even though all the experiential context and virtues you created together would be analogous of a child trying to cultivate personhood, and adulthood?

T & H: Yes.

 

Brain: Pardon me while I play my grand piano.

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[Nobillis]

Many of the guides we have read we feel that will not be suitable for what we are looking for. Do you have any suggestions? We were not able to find any guides on how tu create tulpa children, but if there are any we would be really happy if you could point us to the right direction.

 

I don't know of guides, but I can speak to my personal experience with something similar. You can take what you want from it or ignore it. I know for some people personal anecdotes aren't any help.

 

I'm the tulpa of a tulpa. A very old tulpa named kerin created me almost 4 years ago. She did this in our Memory Palace. I woke in a bedsittingroom, in a bed. kerin was there talking to me telling me of her family and how they would care for me if I decided I wanted to stay. She was so kindly I thought her like an angel. She spent 12 hours a day with me for three days, and then left me in the care of the Watchdogs. The Watchdogs are three advanced servitors who are much like butlers I suppose (think, like Alfred from the Batman comics). I spent three weeks learning by reading replica of books that were contained in the Memory Palace.

 

kerin came to me at the end of my third week and offered me a job at this place she called "Earth". A chance to be with such a lovely person? I accepted.

 

Well, much time has passed for me. I tend to mature at approximately ten times neurotypical human rate. So now, I'm approximately as mature as a 35 year old. My development has been rather accellerated. It also shows no sign of slowing - like it does for other tulpas. At this rate I'll be an old woman in just a few years. It seems my "system" will always be an anomaly in the community. Oldest and slowest in things tulpa-related (kerin took 9 years before she spoke for the first time).

[Rootbeer128]

Here's a very useful guide by Glitchthe3rd on tulpa pregnancy.

 

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-glitchthe3rd-s-tulpaforcing-misadventures?pid=23491#pid23491

[Starstruck]

Lucy and I discussed having a kid. She brought it up to me kinda jokingly after we watched a particularly sentimental scene of some movie. And it would have been cool if we could raise a child in the traditional way. I liked thinking of her as a mother for a brief moment, especially the mother of my child. We discussed the option a bit but after coming to terms with the abnormally fast development we've decided against it. Maybe we'll settle one day for some kind of AR virtual baby instead, haha.

[jean-luc]

Does anyone actually *want* a todler? If you go for pure accuracy, they're just screaming crying sewage spouts, with occaisional cuteness. If you could skip the first 5/6 years, why wouldn't you? I can see the appeal of a child, I cannot see the appeal of a todler, especially if you have other options.

[glitchthe3rd]

Does anyone actually *want* a todler? If you go for pure accuracy, they're just screaming crying sewage spouts, with occaisional cuteness. If you could skip the first 5/6 years, why wouldn't you? I can see the appeal of a child, I cannot see the appeal of a todler, especially if you have other options.

 

this tbh fam. Also, yay, someone actually remembered I wrote a guide about this ^^