[wonderland] Doubts About Wonderland Experiences

[Shadow System]

[Exabier] We have a wonderland problem. Gray is afraid of controlling us when he's not actually talking to us. Talking gets pretty boring after awhile compared to all of the actual cool stuff like having sword fights, shooting bad guys, whatever. He gets the fear from watching us do stuff and thinks it's sometimes like parroting his story characters, whatever those are.

 

[Fernardo] Gray has reported watching us and it feeling "fake" for whatever reason. Perhaps it was because we were acting "too silly" or "too predictable" or whatever the excuse. I don't know if this has anything to do with "coming to life" feelings he reported in the past or if this is another form of Gray's parrotnoia. Like Exabier said, Gray hasn't felt comfortable to go on a wonderland adventure with us in a long time, and most of everyone would like for that to change.

 

[Blue] Is there something we can do to help him calm down or reassure him that it's still us? Are there certain things we need to avoid like busy amusement parks or intense action scenes?

[Redacted System]

Rouge can get a little annoying still now saying she's worried she's parroting us or somehow controlling our actions. We know we're not, so we just say that. One thing Azure sometimes says is that if she were being controlled, she would say something about it to Rouge to get her to stop. Maybe that could work for you guys, idk.

[Bear]

I don't remember having that problem, but I didn't feel like I was controlling my not-tulpas or characters either. I can make not-tulpas do stuff, but I clearly know I'm doing it.

 

When Misha is sitting on the couch, I can teleport her to me, standing, and hug her. She technically didn't do any of that, but believe me, if when we argued and I tried that, she definitely wouldn't do it. Mature thoughtforms can't be puppeted against their will in my opinion. If I puppet then with their consent, it blends with them doing things too. There are also times that they do things that I dont have any part of. It's very clear though.

 

One is proxy-speak. Many times they speak in tulpish and I translate to mindvoice in their voice. I often repeat it a few times, especially if it's funny or interesting. Though they also use mindvoice and imposed voice thrown in at about 10%. Inposed voice I can't parrot at all. Their mindvoice speak comes entirely from them, but 'sounds' and feels exactly like proxy-speak except it's not me. This was a source of doubt early on, never anymore.

 

I have moved them or proxy-spoke and they immediately disagreed. Especially when I 'want them' to do or say something that is on my side pf the argument. That sadly never works.

[Shadow System]

[Blue] I wonder if our mindvoices are sometimes imposed- there isn't a clear distinction. The only distinct differences involve how energetic I feel or how good the ability to visualize is.

 

Form, mindvoice, and presence are important because each of those things act as grounding measures. Part of it could also be we're not the most developed, therefore we're not as resistant to Gray's parroting as say Ranger is.

[Bear]

Hm, well Ren wasn't at all developed when she felt just as strong, but she was a split from Joy so maybe she took strength from that.