Who would you choose?

[Knapp]

My family are filled with uncaring douchebags, so personally I'd choose my tulpa.

[Natasha]

My family are filled with uncaring douchebags, so personally I'd choose my tulpa.

 

I´m with knapp on this one.

 

Also, lucidacid if someone were to create an exact copy of you with your exact DNA and memories: would that still be you, or just someone else who resembles you in every way?

And what if someone then killed you, would you still be alive?

Just because you can recreate a person it doesn´t make them the person you knew.

[Guest Anonymous]

I would kill my tupper and save the family member. My family and I are all really close, and I'd feel absolutely terrible for killing someone (even indirectly). Sariah would rather be dissipated than live with that guilt anyway.

[Guest Anonymous]

Also, lucidacid if someone were to create an exact copy of you with your exact DNA and memories: would that still be you, or just someone else who resembles you in every way?

And what if someone then killed you, would you still be alive?

Just because you can recreate a person it doesn´t make them the person you knew.

 

I've debated this a few times on the internet, and the best analogy I've heard so far is using the using a teleporter analogy. If you were to use a hypothetical teleporter that deconstructs you to the atomic level, and re-builds you at the receiving end of the teleporter, would it be you? Or just a copy of you? Answering the question gets into all sorts of hypothetical philosophy, but I'd say yes. What would you classify as "you"? Your brain is just a complex web of electrical impulses and chemical reactions, nothing more. The illusion of self, ego, and free will are all just a series of electron exchanges. A complex mathematical equation, if you will. So hypothetically, if you were to be killed, and reconstructed, as long as your brain is working with the same equation, it'd be you. Likewise, if another person were to have the exact same pattern and series of impulses, they would be "you".

 

But for tulpae, "killing" them is essentially removing the personification of your subconscious mind. You're not literally destroying, killing, or otherwise harming any part of your subconscious. There are no hypothetical moments where they cease to exist. Not to mention the entire idea of creating a tulpa is based on tricking your mind into belief. So if you recreate your tulpa exactly as before with the belief that they'll be the same person, then it will be so. The human mind is more adaptive and intelligent than it gets credit for.

[Avalanche]

You're asking me to choose between two family members. Therefore both options are the same, so I can't pick.

 

If you held a knife to my throat to make me pick, assuming the family member wasn't there to see me choose, I still don't know what I would pick. If my family member was there to hear my decision, I would have to go for them. Otherwise you're that cunt who choose to save his imaginary friend (what other people see them as) over a flesh and blood human.

[Natasha]

 

I've debated this a few times on the internet, and the best analogy I've heard so far is using the using a teleporter analogy. If you were to use a hypothetical teleporter that deconstructs you to the atomic level, and re-builds you at the receiving end of the teleporter, would it be you? Or just a copy of you? Answering the question gets into all sorts of hypothetical philosophy, but I'd say yes. What would you classify as "you"? Your brain is just a complex web of electrical impulses and chemical reactions, nothing more. The illusion of self, ego, and free will are all just a series of electron exchanges. A complex mathematical equation, if you will. So hypothetically, if you were to be killed, and reconstructed, as long as your brain is working with the same equation, it'd be you. Likewise, if another person were to have the exact same pattern and series of impulses, they would be "you".

 

But for tulpae, "killing" them is essentially removing the personification of your subconscious mind. You're not literally destroying, killing, or otherwise harming any part of your subconscious. There are no hypothetical moments where they cease to exist. Not to mention the entire idea of creating a tulpa is based on tricking your mind into belief. So if you recreate your tulpa exactly as before with the belief that they'll be the same person, then it will be so. The human mind is more adaptive and intelligent than it gets credit for.

 

Like i said, theoretically the person who comes out at the other side of the teleporter is you, but...

The instance of that personality, those traits, the memories THAT IS YOU, is gone.

It´s like coding really, the new instance will believe it is you, it will act as if it was you, it will make the same choices that you would, but it´s not you.

It´s a flawless illusion, but that doesn´t make it real.

 

Oh yeah and, like you said, we´re all just electrical impulses and chemical reactions right? so the difference between a human being and a tulpa is really not that huge, you are judging a persons value on the fact that they are more physically able.

[Kiahdaj]

 

Like i said, theoretically the person who comes out at the other side of the teleporter is you, but...

The instance of that personality, those traits, the memories THAT IS YOU, is gone.

It´s like coding really, the new instance will believe it is you, it will act as if it was you, it will make the same choices that you would, but it´s not you.

It´s a flawless illusion, but that doesn´t make it real.

 

Oh yeah and, like you said, we´re all just electrical impulses and chemical reactions right? so the difference between a human being and a tulpa is really not that huge, you are judging a persons value on the fact that they are more physically able.

 

The way I see it; I am me, because I was the first consciousness of "me". Any clone of me is not me, because they have a separate consciousness. It may be identical to me in every way, but we are still two separate beings who will make two separate decisions, and think two separate things.

Even if I were to die, but the clone lives, he would still not be me.

The original consciousness is the true being.

 

Just my two cents.

[Guest Anonymous]

You somehow managed to miss all of the points in my post. So I'll address them individually.

 

Like i said, theoretically the person who comes out at the other side of the teleporter is you, but...

The instance of that personality, those traits, the memories THAT IS YOU, is gone.

It´s like coding really, the new instance will believe it is you, it will act as if it was you, it will make the same choices that you would, but it´s not you.

It´s a flawless illusion, but that doesn´t make it real.

I already addressed that both the analogy and actually killing a tulpa are completely different things. When you kill a tulpa, every single bit of them is still there. It never leaves. As stated here.

But for tulpae, "killing" them is essentially removing the personification of your subconscious mind. You're not literally destroying, killing, or otherwise harming any part of your subconscious. There are no hypothetical moments where they cease to exist.

And here.

Not to mention the entire idea of creating a tulpa is based on tricking your mind into belief. So if you recreate your tulpa exactly as before with the belief that they'll be the same person, then it will be so. The human mind is more adaptive and intelligent than it gets credit for.

 

 

 

Oh yeah and, like you said, we´re all just electrical impulses and chemical reactions right? so the difference between a human being and a tulpa is really not that huge

That's correct. Their free will, ego, personality, etc. are just as real and valid as yours or mine.

 

 

 

you are judging a persons value on the fact that they are more physically able.

But you completely missed my point here. I value my tulpa's life above anyone else's, but I would chose a family member because it affects other people, not just me. And I don't understand where you got the "valuing a person on the fact that they are more physically able" and what that even means, so I'll just quote myself again.

As fennecgirl stated, it would affect every person they know. While the devastating feeling wouldn't be as bad as it would to lose a tulpa for each person, it would proportionally be much worse. And as much as I love my tulpa, I'd be willing to sacrifice my own happiness for the happiness of multiple people, regardless of how I feel about them.

[Lolimancer]

I agree with the fact that the teleported "you" would be the exact same person, but i wouldn't know about a completely painless way to "kill" the tulpa (and make it instantly re-emerge later on). Well, even if there was, i still wouldn't do it without planning to take her back into consciousness sooner or later (the sooner the better actually).

[SSaint]

Would the teleported you be the same person? It is the same configuration of particles, but are those particles the same? Can two hydrogen atoms, for example, have their own identities? Are all water molecules the same as the next, in no way distinguishable?