Digital drug effects to tulpae

[CreativeMind]

 

Really now? Don't get me wrong I'd love to get proven wrong on this one, this is just what I've been told. What would you expect the effects to be?

 

Well, I imagine it would depend on how extreme the 'dosage'. This is an educated guess of what would occur on a reasonable dose (not completely 'gone out of your mind', some minor visual hallucinations but mostly vivid closed-eye, perhaps moving textures, mostly mental changes') of actual LSD:

 

Lower Dosage - Things much more vivid in the wonderland. Perhaps more surprises, and they would be good surprises as long as you are in a good mood. In a very happy mood, would most likely want to explore and see things way brighter and lively. If this were to effect your tulpa the same way, the two of you would have good time.

 

If you were not in the 'wonderland', and just passively forcing or involving your tulpa as you walked around doing other things, your tulpa would probably giggle as you stared at the wood grain on the floor creep with a lava lamp texture and tell you how much they love you and visa versa. If you were to run your hand through some blades of grass, your tulpa might feel connected to it too. It actually might be a good way to 'pull him/her in', like, since you're experiencing the 'closesness' of the world with magnification, your tulpa might feel things stronger than normal too.

 

On a higher dose (without taking so much you're completely gone): Open eyed visuals are a possibility. The higher you go the less control you have. It's easy to freak yourself out on higher doses, but if you stay grounded, and walk out of the room/into a different area when you notice you're feeling uneasy, it's easy to keep yourself in a good mood. New surroundings = new things to explore and experience differently. For example, one time I was laying in bed and saw all of these faces 'melting out' of the wall (woodgrain), it weirded me out, so I went into the other room and did something else and it didn't effect my night at all.

 

I'm unsure whether or not your tulpa would have any room to be involved here. Either you could hallucinate them, or not be mindful of them at all. It's hard to say after a certain point. I'm sure it would depend strongly on the individual and how high the dosage.

 

I believe at the very best, the LSD 'i-doser' COULD simulate a very weak form of LSD, which might make you feel a little 'out there', but I don't think you could accomplish intense visual hallucinations with something like this though. I would be surprised. The wonderland would probably still be way more vivid though. Again, obviously I don't know for a fact. I wouldn't mind being the first to try this out when those headphones come in the mail.

 

So I got around to trying this.

 

Wow, thank you so much for sharing! I find it incredibly interesting that both tulpae responded differently! I wouldn't have expected that. Please do let us know how long it takes for them to recover. I'm going to guess an hour or two max, but please let us know.

 

Thanks for participating. I'm definitely going to be trying that one once the headphones come in.

 

I wanted to ask: Was this really surprising to you? Was it like anything you would've expected?

[Shui]

I tried this years ago, before I had a tulpa, and didn't notice any effect on me, so I has no interest in doing this now until I read Flo's post. Now it's intriguing. I won't be able to try it for more than a week though

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

They’re both okai now, more or less. Just takin’ it easy. I think Forseen got back to normal in about an hour. Muse, like i said, just took a few seconds. It seemed she was just majorly affected by the actual noise aspect of it.

 

I should probably note i did have a prediction as to what would happen beforehand, and im pretty easily influenced by things (for example, i had no problems with doubt when i started tulpaforcing) so that probably weighed in a lot. Forseen has sorta gotten ’high’ before when we tried eating these giant red mushrooms we had in our wonderland, so i assumed he’d be easily influenced and follow something similar to what ’should’ happen with the drug that was being simulated. While i guessed Muse would either not be affected or be affected negatively since she tends to do what’s right, aka not take or like drugs. With this in mind, Forseen reacted similar to what i expected, plus being a bit more happy as i only expected him to be like, super relaxed the whole time, while Muse pretty much scared the crap outta me. I was around 80-90% sure she’d just sit there and be totally unaffected, if maybe a little annoyed.

[Chupi]

Of the few "doses" I've tried so far, I've gotten the most effect from the pure theta one. I'm not getting as much or as immediate effect as some are reporting. I suspect it will get better if I use them more and get more used to it. I set it playing and lay down as I usually do to force. I let myself drift and noticed I was moving toward that between-waking-and-dreaming state more quickly than usual, and staying in it longer. Pretty nice for forcing since things were more vivid, but I need to work on maintaining more control and focus in this state since random visualizations start happening.

 

Effect on my tulpas was not much, according to them, though it let me perceive them better when my mind wasn't wandering.

 

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I downloaded some doses that had been converted into SBaGen .sbg files. (SBaGen is the free open-source program that I-Doser rips off its core code from. I-Doser .drg files are just encrypted .sbg files with an image and text description added.) I then played them using "Binaural Player", a slightly buggy Android port of SBaGen. It's nice, you can see what's in it as well.

[Linkzelda]

Did a 60 minute session with the Alpha dose, or the Alpha Binaural beat in this case from the I-Doser Premium program.

 

[video=youtube]

 

 

It's better to click the Youtube link and watch it in the highest quality possible (should have 720p sometime later on).

 

Also, here's the Pastebin link to transcript of what I did:

 

http://pastebin.com/B3Yr4BbN

 

Forgive the spelling errors, the intention for all the exercises is to not focus on being perfect and focus more on describing things fast through typing.

 

It's in 8 to 13 Hz I believe, and here's some of my attempts and how Eva reacted to this.

 

There's a part in the session where the sounds bothered Eva, I started visualizing her having a hard time trying to tolerate the sound, and she was making the expressions of closing her ears by putting her hands on them. However, I told her with mind-voice that the sound will become tolerable, and all she needed to do was to relax.

 

 

The reason why I put 60 minutes there is that I wanted to see if it'll affect any performance I was doing for the derived image streaming technique I was doing with my eyes closed. Since I couldn't speak out what I was describing, I was just typing as fast as I could.

 

Even though this is my first time using a Binaural beat for the techniques I'm doing in the guide I made on Narration/storytelling, there's some noticeable effects that are occurring:

 

 

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  My perception of time seemed to look much shorter, despite doing this for 60 minutes, it felt like a pleasant 5 minute process for me. I noticed how I wanted to do another hour long session of tulpaforcing.
   
  
• My feet became more loose, relaxed, and I had a slight fuzzy feeling near the ends of my toes.
   
   
  
• I could hear myself (mind-voice) having a slight echo and more powerful vibe over the music at times.
   
   
  
• My breathing was slower and more relaxed and deep.
   
  
• At the end, or the 30 minute mark where I took a break for a few seconds, started noticing that I could hear a slower heart rate, and that could be do to the earphones I use that blocks out external sounds, which makes it easier to hear internal.
   
   
  
• My mouth and jaw were noticeably looser and relaxed, though I kept my mouth closed most of the time.
   
   
  
• My eyes were much more relaxed, and even had some cool sensations (as in cold), and that could be due to the fan blowing on top in my room.
   
   
  
• Had better concentration in dealing with the images, clips, movements, etc. from the image streaming attempt, despite of the initial stages of Eva being slightly bothered by the sounds that kept pulsating rapidly.
   
  
• Had CRAZY, VIVID visualizations on Eva; her lips, outfit, facial expressions, almost as if I was doing some kind of pre-visual imposition with her in several environments. I cannot even begin to describe the level of realism I just experienced. And this could be due to the other sessions I did in the past that stacked onto this, combined with having all sorts of vivid dreams in the past since June 2011 (had at least 1,000+ dreams recalled over that time period until now)
  

 

Even though this is the second time I did a 60 minutes session, compared to the first attempt with no music, I was more relaxed but focused, which I think is ideal when one is doing the type of active forcing this technique trains you for.

 

Because from the original Image Streaming technique where you just breathe in and out for a while to induce the Alpha wave state in the brain, you would be more relaxed but concentrated, which were the ideal conditions for Image streaming. I might try other alpha wave binaural beats in different Hz or similar.

 

Seriously though, Eva looked so human, so real. And the thing is, this exercise I did was where I was just being spontaneous with the unconscious thoughts streaming in. If I did an association exercise where I used a few objects to relate with, I personally would've had a more fluid and partially linear forcing session.

 

The parts in the sounds that got faster meant more random images and experiences for me, however, that was mostly because I felt affected by it, but I know this can be conquered by letting the sounds happen and focusing on describing more in my mind-voice. Might turn down the volume next time, or keep it the same, either way, this session in particular personally is going to make hour long forcing sessions exciting.

 

There was some guide on image streaming that said you should at most do this technique for 1 hour a day, because it's a mentally challenging task doing image streaming for that long the first few times. However, I think with this binaural beat as a supplement, it's a good way to induce the Alpha state a lot better compared to having to worry about keeping my eyes closed or other types of movements that might be a detriment in the natural process of going into the Alpha state. I can just close, listen, visualize and describe what's going on.

 

I feel with practice, which I most certainly will do even more than I already have after seeing the realism of Eva in my mind's eye, my body is shaking as I'm looking forward to future sessions.

 

I was a bit skeptical about binaural beats in general with forcing sessions, but I guess with other stuff I had learned beforehand, it's a nice supplement for relaxation and concentration.

 

I feel I could do this with open-eyed as well, but I guess closed eyed is a lot better because there's no need for the mind to process the random external stimuli. Although this does have potential for actual visual imposition of Eva in the future.

 

 

[Upper Class Twit]

Well looky what I found! I actually have quite a bit of experience with diviners sage, so this may prove useful. This will probably be equivalent to a very low dose, but that could actually be useful. Lady Salvia is a wild horse and the effects vary drastically based on mood, environment, company, time of day, fatigue, and the rotation of the earth. A more controlled albeit less powerful dose would be welcome.

[Upper Class Twit]

Okay, so I tried three. All in all, I'm not really sure how to take it.

 

OPIUM EFFECTS- Largely nothing happened. Sonya and I had a calmer attitude, but all in all no changes worth noting.

 

THC EFFECTS- No changes whatsoever.

 

SALVIA EFFECTS- This was weird, no vivid visualizations, no audio hallucinations, but ONE thing was scary spot on, attitude. Sonya and I were very jumpy with this, there was the ever so slight feeling of terror among the both of us, this hit Sonya hard. The beginning went smoothly, but said she felt weird, as time went on, I could tell we both a little distressed. She fucked with me a little bit and said " THERE'S A MAN OVER THERE! WHO IS HE?!" I actually turned in real life. I asked her if she was fucking with me and I got sort of a noncommittal " Yeah," from her. This went on and she started getting really REALLY distressed, to the point of her beginning to cry . She buried her face in my chest and I sort of just held her. Its strange, lately she's been much less emotionally stable than she used to be, and she's not even normally like this on 20x Salvia. Very strange, and somewhat worrying.

[CreativeMind]

Linkzelda, thank you so much for sharing such an intricate report. I'm definitely going to be trying that one.

 

UpperClassTwit - I'm not sure which method of salvia that the binaural beats are portraying.

 

When you buy the 'extracts', like 10x, 20x, 100x, etc, you're not even really taking it the way that shamans would. In all actuality, to get the most out of it, (and to have completely insane trips which can feel like weeks although 15 minutes has gone by), you take leaves from the plant, 'boil' them in a small amount of molasses or honey, roll them into a ball and put them under your tongue or to your cheek like a dip. The longer you hold it there the more insane your trip. Like I said, in more intense cases you can find yourself in a completely other universe for what may feel like weeks. Diviner's sage at it's purest is only really for the pros. I haven't been able to tamper with it. So perhaps it was more to an authentic affect? At least that's how it seemed to have effected your tulpa.

 

I'm getting ready to go to the movies, but I was able to sneak in a 'quick hit' 10 minute dose. (Headphones arrived, hooray!)

 

DivinorumQH (10min)

Mathias and I seemed incredibly blank. As in, we really couldn't string together long chains of thoughts. It was very scattered, but I remember a good bit of what I saw in mind's eye.

 

It was completely black. Mathias held out his hands and I held both of them, looking him in the face. He had a very calm expression, peaceful. We pulled each other in for a hug, and I started to slowly 'melt' and 'mold' into him, like we were becoming one being. It was the strangest thing, like this feeling of deep love overcame the both of us. It was very peaceful and a rush at the same time.

 

Next thing I know, flash to us holding hands and falling down this (what seemed to be) never ending tunnel, everything still black although we'd tunnel through these illuminated neon rings. (Think 'rings' you fly through in a video game, only we were falling down them, and they were bright and glowy, usually blue, but everything else was black.)

 

I'm feeling the after effects a little bit. Mathias seems content and at peace, I feel like I want to love the world. Any negativity that I was carrying (had a rough day) dissipated. All in all, worth the 10 minutes spent.

[Upper Class Twit]

 

 

UpperClassTwit - I'm not sure which method of salvia that the binaural beats are portraying.

 

When you buy the 'extracts', like 10x, 20x, 100x, etc, you're not even really taking it the way that shamans would. In all actuality, to get the most out of it, (and to have completely insane trips which can feel like weeks although 15 minutes has gone by), you take leaves from the plant, 'boil' them in a small amount of molasses or honey, roll them into a ball and put them under your tongue or to your cheek like a dip. The longer you hold it there the more insane your trip. Like I said, in more intense cases you can find yourself in a completely other universe for what may feel like weeks. Diviner's sage at it's purest is only really for the pros. I haven't been able to tamper with it. So perhaps it was more to an authentic affect? At least that's how it seemed to have effected your tulpa.

 

 

I smoke it usually just because of convenience, I never have the time to be tripping for over an hour, though it would be extremely useful to have that long lasting effect, as the smoke effects last something around 10 minutes with an afterglow of like 20. I've been dieing to try a quid lately but I don't feel like putting money towards it at the moment, as I have to pay for school. I would hesitate to say that these effects were more real, because all we really got was confusion and terror out of it, not hallucinations, different perception, ect. Also there is no method of Salvia that is more powerful than the other, if anything I' say some of the modern methods are better, considering the shamanistic method was eating the leaves, and Salvatorium alpha is absorbed very poorly in the stomach, but absorbed in the lungs and mouth well.

[Kaz with a K]

Alrighty. Here's my experience with Morphine. I wrote down everything I felt almost instantly after the session was over. (With the exclusion of my break after the first seven minutes, as I was interrupted)I'm going to directly quote what I wrote down:

 

Morphine-

 

I had about a 7-minute session, before being interrupted. During this time, I became very relaxed. I noticed my heart beat slowing down, but I couldn't actually focus to hear it. This was accompanied by a general reluctance to do any kind of unnecessary movement (mostly anything other than breathing and living). As I write this, a few moments after, I still have to strop every few words to gather my thoughts into actual forms. At one point, I just stared into a wall outside (I was facing a window) that was bright yellow. The sun was glaring off of it, but I couldn't bring my muscles to move my eyes. It's like when someone asks you to take out the trash when you're doing something else. You know you should, and deep in your brain, you want to do it then so you won't have to do it later, but your immediate body doesn't feel like it. Though, only a few minutes into the first part, the beat jumped to a mute for a split-second, then continued. (which I now assume that signified a change in waves or the like, as it reoccurred) Event though it wasn't loud, or anything, the sudden absence of the waves caused my entire body to jump and stand on end. It was like an electric shock through my body, gone in an instant. I tried calling to Adryan in my wonderland, as I usually call to him, and then he sort of...appears. Except, when I went on to our Wonderland, I couldn't keep my mind focused on anything. It wasn't like my brain kept getting distracted, (that kinda happened when I tried the LSD beat) it was that I just couldn't focus. It was like wearing glasses, when you don't need them. Everything was foggy and blurry. Adryan kept slipping into a haze, and a few songs I knew cycled through my head. Going back for "Phase 2"

 

I then went int to the rest of the half-hour session. It had a bit of a....different take then the first part.

 

Phase 2-

 

I became very relaxed, like last time, slumping into my chair. I actually began to slide out, but that didn't seem to bother me too much. I noticed that all the "alarms" that go off in my head when stuff happens, (like, the part of your brain that says, watch out! you're losing blood to your leg! not the actual tingle, but the thought of it, or the thought that you're going to fall off your chair etc.) seemed very far back in my head. They were usually up in the forefront, so I was aware of things, but they sorta slunk back into the darkness. I'm going to say that was the reason for my "not caring". About 20 minutes in, I noticed my mouth was starting to burn- it was dry. I then became aware that I had been breathing with my mouth wide open for probably the entire session... After another long while, (I swear, this half-hour was more like an eternity (I decided that, in my relaxed mental and physical state, I would take this time to practice some possession. (Which I just now realized, as I type this, that I told Adryan we wouldn't be doing any possession until I could get imposition down to an automatic affair. I think this adds a new level, my "relaxed mind" disregarding anything my mind before said.) In my actual thoughts, it came out more like "...possession...?" but I think we both translated. Adryan seemed to take control fairly easily, my arm limp at my side. Though, all he really did was curl and uncurl my fingers... Oddly enough though, when I went back to see Adryan in our Wonderland, he was hyped-up; more than usual. He was hopping around on a pogo-stick, jumping everywhere. I saw myself from a 3-rd person perspective, and I was sitting in my chair, except I was in a cocoon that had engulfed me, trapping me to the chair. Adryan jumped over, and grabbed my hand to pull me out, but I didn't seem to budge an inch. When I finally slumped far enough out of my chair, the beats were wearing down to the end. I opened my eyes,, yawned, and I suddenly felt as if I had woken up. I didn't feel as relaxed as I did before, but I wasn't wound up or anything. It was like I had climbed out of bed, a little tired- not exhausted, but tired.

 

And that's all she wrote.