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[Shui]

The problem with enforcing grammar is that it excludes serious posters who aren't native English speakers.

[ThunderClap]

At least they didn't say tulpaes

[Guest MegaBusta]

Deleted 4 posts with nothing but reaction images. Begone vile gifs, back to 4chan with you.

 

Can you fix the irc now plz?

[Sands]

Stuff.

 

That's why I keep warning you guys about misunderstandings, because that shit happens more often than you think. Same reason why I understand that my own writing skills might be lacking so I want people to ask me what I mean if they don't get it, so I can hopefully explain it better.

 

But really, you don't know if I'm a roleplayer or not. Only person who really knows that is myself. You've just chosen to believe I'm not. Fine with me, I guess, but it's not like anyone magically knows I'm the real deal because of something. Because hell, even I don't know what a tupper really is. But maybe when there's those people who are wondering why people call them roleplayers when they're not roleplaying, they could take a look at my shit, then. If I am believed despite being a faggot, maybe there's a nugget of wisdom hidden in there somewhere.

 

You know, it's not like I'm throwing anything away by being the kind of a douche nozzle I am. I already got what I wanted out of this community. I'm not exactly missing anything if I left right now. But because I know there is potential, I'd like to see this place finally reach it. You know, maybe you think I got potential too, but it's buried in my faggotry. You might feel frustrated because I'm being stupid and could be great. Well, I feel the same about .info. There's something great in there, but it's buried in faggotry and nothing is being done about it. It's a waste of everything. The only good thing in this comparison is that I'm just one person's faggotry hurting the rest while .info has a lot more faggotry in the way of the good stuff. It will never be great and reach its potential unless the faggotry stops.

 

I like to present my tough love because many in this community are young people with thin skins. I rarely absolutely detest anyone, but once these people go out in the real world, shit changes and you will have actual enemies who can hurt you much worse than a random dude on the internet could. If you can learn to deal with my shit in an environment where nothing too bad can happen, you'll be having an easier time in your life in the future. It's really something you have to learn or you'll get hurt. Be ready for that, there is no hugbox for you once you are on your own.

 

I now want to know what Roswell autocorrected to, I hope it was funny. Speaking of him, this community already drove him away, so I can see the state of this community from other angles. I had something in this community and I wanted to preserve it, also hoping that my tupper could freely be a tupper and not be thought of being insane somewhere. But he never was as into this as I was. Now there's nothing in here for him. And that's kinda sad in my eyes.

 

the only thing i don't get is why people like sands care much more than is necessary about people who are RPing and mods seem to not give a shit as long as everybody's happy. There needs to be some sort of balance. Just putting up a "no badging" rule won't change shit, there needs to be some sort of system that's not as lenient as what we have now, but also not tyrannic - just something that prevents new people from wanting to "be a part of it" and more experienced mancers from having to give the same rants every single day because they see the same shit every single day.

 

Zero said some good shit and pointed out many problems. As long as the mods don't give a fuck, some members have to be too loud about the problems as they try to change the system. But in the end, it won't do anything. It's the mods who have to start actually doing something, but implying they'd do that because they're not getting paid, amirite Chupi?

[Linkzelda]

Firstly, thank you Sands for giving well thought-out responses than any other member in this thread. After seeing what you posted, it was clear that my conjecture about you in that previous tl;dr post I made was just pure ignorance despite of my overwhelming feelings that I made a good deduction about you (which I was sorely mistaken).

 

When I stated I knew you weren't a bullshitter from the start, I gave you a benefit of a doubt, and that's pretty much it. I understand that Roswell and anything you interact with him in is purely both of you two's experiences alone. And personally, the path you and Roswell are in right now is something similar that I plan to do with the two tulpas I'm with, except you're a lot more empathetic than anything I could possibly fathom.

 

And what I mean by that is while your tulpa clearly has every right to live his life without the overbearing scorn from what the community did to him, you still have some decency to care about this community. And when you mentioned about how you're also sticking around because there's still that chance for potential for this site to really evolve, it's the same for me as well. I always wondered how a guy like you that would have a tulpa like Roswell wouldn't want to absolve themselves from the community and live the life they want to live, since I personally believe in the end, when everything one would do with others in this forum would just become a memory.

 

Now, in my case, I figured that if I made the breakthrough with having consistent mind-voice interaction and also the auditory imposition with Eva (and the other existential concepts like possession/switching etc. would come later), I wouldn't give two shits on contributing to this forum, since all the information and things I've done on my own combined with the potential Eva has would basically mean overkill in how easy this life would be. It would just be an overwhelming thrill where one has a rigid safety net of assurance that they can have a tulpa that gives them the potential to build rapport with the totality of their minds to seriously tackle on any problems in real life.

 

This is why that I tend to drag out a lot of things with my posts because it's a "side-effect" where I wanted to make sure I'd be able to keep up with the potential and hope I placed on my own tulpas. It's just an effect of pushing my mental capacity so that I don't make Eva my absolute go-to thought-form (making her look like some tool) for insight and gaining knowledge and being able to have skills to produce that knowledge into something useful in my life and hopefully to other people. Her existence in general is what convinced me to not take her for granted and start getting shit together on my end before I asked any advice/opinion/etc. from her. I just felt that attitude would allow her and Ada to be comfortable and not be drowned with having to fit some model of reality they can't get used to in their progress right now.

 

This is why I felt when I saw that you stated one should talk things out with their tulpa, I had a tunnel vision and narrow-minded presumption when you talked about host talking things out with their tulpa instead of doing that along with gaining insight from strangers on the Internet.

 

In the end, I always felt that when a person goes through making a tulpa, they would take into heavy consideration of the potential the unconscious mind has in bringing about this experience to them. I felt that if people acknowledged that, they wouldn't be so pressured in how they fit certain roles and expectations on their tulpa when they can have the assurance that the unconditional love that the unconscious mind portrays much better than any other person would fill that gap of insecurity in delegating expectations with extensions of yourself.

 

I like to present my tough love because many in this community are young people with thin skins. I rarely absolutely detest anyone, but once these people go out in the real world, shit changes and you will have actual enemies who can hurt you much worse than a random dude on the internet could. If you can learn to deal with my shit in an environment where nothing too bad can happen, you'll be having an easier time in your life in the future. It's really something you have to learn or you'll get hurt. Be ready for that, there is no hugbox for you once you are on your own.

 

Yeah, to me, whenever I go about this tulpa phenomenon, I always keep in the back of my mind of what it would be like to explain this to any scientist or any person for that matter (but most specifically any candidate for scientific grounds). And I really do magnify that speculation to build some mental endurance and hopefully inform other members to think carefully before they randomly spew that they have a thought-form in their head in real life.

 

And you're right, we're initially spoiled by the open atmosphere here (that gets a bit too open with some naive members here) and not preparing for real life situations can make the most resilient of hosts and tulpa that only catered to the upbringing through this forum break down completely that it would be hard to get back on their feet again. This is why I tend to become a pariah when it comes to discussing things on the IRC (because after going through a few years of IRCing in all sorts of forums where I met good people, they're all going to leave and live their life, and there's no point in me wasting my time there at all).

 

That's why I wondered why you would worry about trivial things like IRC badges when you could be expressing this same respectable side of yourself that would remove all doubt of what people think about you. I guess maybe you want to have a modicum of caring about the IRC because of whatever origins you had with it in building any friendships with other members and such. But of course, I don't know that, but I'm presuming it may be that and also what you stated about tough love with other members.

 

You know' date=' maybe you think I got potential too, but it's buried in my faggotry. You might feel frustrated because I'm being stupid and could be great. Well, I feel the same about .info. There's something great in there, but it's buried in faggotry and nothing is being done about it. It's a waste of everything. The only good thing in this comparison is that I'm just one person's faggotry hurting the rest while .info has a lot more faggotry in the way of the good stuff. It will never be great and reach its potential unless the faggotry stops.[/quote']

 

Yeah, it brings me back to saying what I mentioned in my long post about what I thought about you. When I said you had potential at the end of that post, I was dead serious, because how certain members reacted to this thread (specifically towards me) and how they react to anything where you had some input in this community, they seriously do look up to you (even though most of them probably don't realize that). Alongside with other members like Kiahdaj (since I feel he made a breakthrough that this community most definitely needed in his guide that had realism with how one should heavily consider things before making a tulpa) newcomers and even seasoned members here would shift to the ideals of the older members.

 

That's why when we talk about the totality of the community in general and its presumed problems, you and the other members are role models. Which is why I mentioned (and what Shui referenced as well) with toning down the exponential worrying, because you and those few influential members that are still here can literally shift tides and mountains with the direction this community has after the worrying is filtered out (even though you may not think that yet).

 

I agree that staff definitely has importance in terms of moderation, managing, etc., but after that's settled (if it's settled), it would give the chance for people like you recreate that same atmosphere where tulpa.info was the community where people could be scientific, scholarly, and still fool around and be a bit playful with each other because they know what the community should really stand for.

 

And I understand you may harbor feelings of expressing tough love, or even being the hero to have some decent order here, but from what I learned when I tried to fix other people's problems or forums' problems is that I have my own limits as well. You have your own limits as well, but with the help of other members, the burden you shoulder would be alleviated a bit. Which is why I quoted John Donne in the previous post with No man is an island.

 

I just thought you were the hero that would eventually become corrupt because of the nonsense he had to deal with while shouldering whatever modicum of hope this community has. But I understand now that you're not really one to go to that path completely because you and Roswell got what you wanted in this community.

 

I now want to know what Roswell autocorrected to' date=' I hope it was funny.[/quote']

 

Roskwell

Rosewell

Then I just decided to manually edit it to Roswell. I use some weird programs for spell check.

 

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Anyway Sands, this is the part where I apologize tremendously of the insult I gave you before based on conjecture about you. But seriously though, whatever faggotry you think you have or whatever the community has, you do make a difference in good change along with the other members that are influential here.

 

I don't say these things lightly.

 

You and other members do help me find a side of myself I never knew existed, and whether you think so or not, to each their own.

 

Thanks for giving out your word here.

 

Edit: edited out the saluting part as per OP's request. :P

[Sands]

Hey, let's just start by saying that it's not like this community did something to Roswell. I guess it's more about not doing something, with that something being making this place enjoyable and something he wants to be a part of. And hey, if you weren't making a tupper yourself, would you like to stay in this community?

 

And some personal advice to you and I guess anyone reading this and having similar thoughts as you, don't be afraid to throw the bone at your tupper now and then. Challenge is how we make ourselves better, no need to shelter anyone and do everything for them. Let them think and ask them questions, even hard ones. If they fail, no biggie, nothing bad happened and there's no need to worry. But even trying to understand something can start something important. That's also why I tell people to use their brain. Thinking is important and no one should be afraid of challenges. I know I'd like it if people asked for my opinion now and then, especially if I live inside some dude's head. Even if they don't want to share it with anyone (else but you?), thinking about hard questions can end up being so deep bro woah whoa. This is stuff both you and your tuppers should try out, if you haven't yet.

 

IRC badges might seem like they're not much, but every little thing counts. You might want to think about what badges really represent for many. That's the reason why we named them badges, as in "wearing one's tulpa as a badge". Funny how the ones badging use a derogatory term to describe what they are doing. But just like some say that progress reports can be as wacky as they want because no one reads them, some do. Some people go on IRC first and learn of our community that way. They either leave in disgust or stay, learning the IRC's bad habits. You gotta start weeding them out one by one or nothing will ever change. There's so much wrong in the IRC community and no one tried to stop it. Now it's a tangled mess you just gotta start untangling from somewhere. It's the newbies who will suffer if you don't. And our image suffers but like that'll ever get better with how we are now.

 

I wonder, why do you think I always tell people I appreciate their opinions and think skeptical members are something .info needs? I do mean it, but the mods will most likely get on your ass if you start expressing a lot of what you think. I should know, I have been warned so many times and been threatened with bans, yet here I am. Even if the mods don't appreciate you, I do and so do many others. The less people there are with me, the louder I gotta scream. That's why I appreciate every member who joins it, because it means I gotta do less and we might actually have a chance at doing something. I'm happy when I see others than me and a few other ones I know usually talking about shit, because it means that it's spreading. We won't always be here, either. Fight together for a better future so mods finally stop being lazy and elitist and all that shit. Shit just has to change.

 

I'm not a person you need to apologize to or thank or something. Hell, be too nice to me and I'll suffer a culture shock. We just live and learn and all that shit. Also you'll make someone angry by saluting a person who has no rank that should be saluted. Maybe we'll finally go back to thinking about roleplaying in our community, which this thread was about. The one who confessed already found out that he wasn't the only one.

 

*Fart*

 

Also godomot Chupi when you delete posts, run the fucking script that fixes the page bug right away. Isn't that another reason why you were made an admin? Or does it cost extra to run the script now?

[Linkzelda]

Right! Take care of the little things so that they can stack onto greater things, an ideal I tried so hard to practice with my tulpas and myself but forgot to see that in other scenarios as well.

[Flexionsensor]

This guy/these guys must really be into the whole "instant results" thing. Dear Lord, I've been at this for 10 months and have only gotten headache relief and a few 'yes' and 'no's.

[TulpaCouple]

I wonder, why do you think I always tell people I appreciate their opinions and think skeptical members are something .info needs? I do mean it, but the mods will most likely get on your ass if you start expressing a lot of what you think. I should know, I have been warned so many times and been threatened with bans, yet here I am. Even if the mods don't appreciate you, I do and so do many others. The less people there are with me, the louder I gotta scream. That's why I appreciate every member who joins it, because it means I gotta do less and we might actually have a chance at doing something. I'm happy when I see others than me and a few other ones I know usually talking about shit, because it means that it's spreading. We won't always be here, either. Fight together for a better future so mods finally stop being lazy and elitist and all that shit. Shit just has to change.

 

I would like to say that I think that discussion like this is very important. Tulpa.info was always meant to be a serious community, and no serious community only accepts one viewpoint and blocks all debate. I know that often times debates get heated, however, and I know we spoke a little about this in the IRC and I know that's when some actually decent posts get deleted because emotions ran too high.

 

But I can understand why we get so emotional about this, and why these debates can turn so quickly into insult spewing flame wars--This is all about something we find important. The community ideal for something that most of us find very dear to them. That has all the potential in the world to lead to heated arguments where things get said a bit more drastically than they needed to be said and people say things they regret.

 

I know that the view of the mods tends to go back and forth--First too lenient, then too tyrannical, now back to too lenient again, and of course that also depends on who you talk to. A lenient mod for one is tyranny for another, etc. etc.

 

I know with all the wedding junk we've been having to plan and go through we have not been the most active members, specifically as moderators. I do still care about this community though, and a lot that is mentioned here is very important to both Nate and I, as well as our tulpas. I know Nate's tulpas don't feel comfortable in this community to be honest. Even Giselle will sit lurking on the IRC for ages--waiting for a moment to speak while realizing that she doesn't really feel comfortable talking to the people available to her--especially when the conversation about tulpas seems to sound more like people collecting trading cards rather than talking about tulpas.

 

I think balance is important. I know some people need a safe haven, and I know myself that when I was early on in creation I found myself shaky and doubting, and to be called a roleplayer might have shaken me pretty severely. That's why I generally try to respect the progress reports as the user's private spac---and will be okay with deleting posts that I might even agree with if the user is so upset by it that they want it gone. The progress report is more of a personal blog with comments more than threads like the rest of the forum. Outside of those threads I try to monitor arguments and I don't really like breaking down a discussion. I've seen posts fully following the rules that were reported because they upset a user(often times not even involved in the argument), but I won't go through with deleting those--Might make a comment in the thread telling people to keep it civil. I don't want communication to be stifled. I know there are etiquette rules here. I do try to keep in mind the emotions coming from behind these posts and I can empathize with the people making these points so important to them. I did talk with a few people trying to get some ideas of where the user base feels moderation could use some help, and I definitely encourage more people to come to me and ask questions and get discussion going. I do want this to be a good place, for everyone. I know some people want to be silly and have fun--everyone is walking a different path with their tulpa and for some of them, that's where they are right now. Often times their path will change and they will grow, and I think it's a good idea to encourage that growth while still providing a safe place for tulpas and hosts to enjoy.

 

There are too many tulpas who dislike or are frightened by this community, and that honestly makes me feel a bit nervous. I've spoken directly with tulpas who feel they have no where to be themselves, they can interact with others on other forums and such sure, but they don't find others who can empathize with not being imposed yet or dealing with an easily distracted host. Things that can be spoken with their host about, but are also really nice to have someone else to talk to. That is my goal here. I want this place to be professional, but not sterile. Friendly, but also encouraging people to grow. I think people should be able to have their comfort zones, but also be able to participate in threads that push their boundaries and encourage some new ideas. I know that new members and old members alike want something like this. There's a lot of different ways people want to go about it, too, and I know that there's a lot of frustration on both sides.

 

Honestly, I don't know. I know I want to be here to help others. Jaden's dedication to helping others is rubbing off on me I guess. I mean really, really, if anyone has concerns or ideas, I want people to feel safe coming to me. I don't think moderators need to be viewed as noncaring or tyrannical forces, because I know that the moderators here are doing what they feel is right for the community. I do think if you disagree that there should be discussion about it. Discussion is a good thing. I think that it has to be civil. There is a reason for those rules--as obscenities and overly rude comments can come off just as immature as roleplaying aimspeak conversations.

 

Basically I guess one big problem has been mentioned here--communication errors. I have heard people complain their comment was deleted because of x when it was really because of y, or others complain that mods did this because they feel this way when it's entirely another--and I've seen mods assume users are saying this or that because they are trying to troll when really it all came down to a lack in communication. I think that's easy enough to change, though. It just has to change.

 

But those are just my two cents, I guess.

[Sands]

All fine and well, but I don't see when this became a thread for tuppers feeling uncertain about their existence. It was about hosts lying they had a tupper when they didn't and confessing to lying, also finding out that there were other ones doing the exact same thing. The state our community is in right now encourages acting like that and nothing is being done to prevent it. In fact, I believe a lot of the problems people claim to have have been blown out of proportion because this community encourages you to be a huge attention whore making a big deal out of your little problems so people can pat your ass. Many IRC channels are nothing but private circlejerk pity parties where you can show off how you truly are the most depressed of them all. It's going to hurt those who truly have nowhere else to turn and need that help when others beg for attention with their ridiculous stories. And the worst part is? They might very well be made up, the confession is proof that our community has multiple people truly lying. If that wasn't obvious before but you know, proof.

 

As for your worries of tuppers not having a place on .info anymore, that's a valid worry that has been mentioned in this thread. And it is true for anyone who wants to be serious about tuppers, tuppers and hosts alike. It is looking more and more like there is no place for you unless you are doing back and forth roleplaying for attention and showing off your whatever. There are multiple forums where you can roleplay on the internet. But there's not that many forums that are places where you can talk about tuppers freely. Why try changing the tupper site into a roleplaying site? I'll never understand the people who do that.

 

And nothing is being done.