Anima to Tulpa - help?

[querist]

In my intro on the introductions thread I describe my situation in more detail. To make it short, I believe I am dealing with a Jungian Anima. Either way, I would like to know how to go about allowing her to become more real - to become a genuine tulpa. She seems to have a personality already (without any conscious effort on my own part), so do I just skip that step or is there anything I need to know about this?

 

I've been reading all of the guides. I don't want to risk anything that could harm her, especially if she truly is an independent consciousness.

[glitchthe3rd]

Short of giving her a form, I'd say let her personality take its own course if she's already this developed. It could prove highly insightful for you to get to know your anima, and speaking from personal experience, having a relationship with her can be very rewarding as well.

[Nobillis]

In my intro on the introductions thread I describe my situation in more detail. To make it short, I believe I am dealing with a Jungian Anima. Either way, I would like to know how to go about allowing her to become more real - to become a genuine tulpa. She seems to have a personality already (without any conscious effort on my own part), so do I just skip that step or is there anything I need to know about this?

 

I've been reading all of the guides. I don't want to risk anything that could harm her, especially if she truly is an independent consciousness.

 

Kevin says:

 

"This reminds me somewhat of my first tulpa kerin whom I've had with me for around 43 years now. The main difference being that kerin was the end result of intentional creation (though, admittedly a very haphazard process). (Also, I might not be as qualified, but I have two university degrees in different disciplines.)

 

First, generally you shouldn't be "blacking out" if she is a tulpa. That said, You might want to consider integrating the memories from her and you so that you have a contiguous timeline (she shares her memories with you, you share your memories with her). That saves all sorts of 'what's going on now?' problems in the future.

 

Yes, if 'she seems to have a personality already ... just skip that step'.

 

I've long lived with my "Anima" being active in my life. It's not been bad, and on several occasions she has acted to preserve my life.

 

I don't know what more to say, beyond talk with her. That's usually best for getting to know someone."

[querist]

Kevin,

 

Thanks for the information. I'm working on sorting this. Kalanda certainly seems to have a life of her own, so to speak, and I want to allow us to function in parallel rather in series. I'm trying to talk with her when I can (hour each way drive to work helps), and for lack of a better terminology, try to help her transform to a tulpa so we can coexist and co-function.

 

Thanks.

 

Nobilis, thanks for letting Kevin out long enough to let him respond. :-)

 

 

Kevin says:

 

"This reminds me somewhat of my first tulpa kerin whom I've had with me for around 43 years now. The main difference being that kerin was the end result of intentional creation (though, admittedly a very haphazard process). (Also, I might not be as qualified, but I have two university degrees in different disciplines.)

 

First, generally you shouldn't be "blacking out" if she is a tulpa. That said, You might want to consider integrating the memories from her and you so that you have a contiguous timeline (she shares her memories with you, you share your memories with her). That saves all sorts of 'what's going on now?' problems in the future.

 

Yes, if 'she seems to have a personality already ... just skip that step'.

 

I've long lived with my "Anima" being active in my life. It's not been bad, and on several occasions she has acted to preserve my life.

 

I don't know what more to say, beyond talk with her. That's usually best for getting to know someone."

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Ultimately, I think this will have to be a solitary quest.

 

Armed with almost five decades of experience and two (as yet publicly unknown) doctorates, you're far more qualified to know how to conjure your own mind-companion than anyone else on this board. In the end, you may deem every attempt to help you ineffectual.

 

I'll give it my best shot.

 

Regarding the anima and animus: These terms were coined by Jung in an attempt to describe a nebulous concept of the complementary gender archetypes that everyone seems to possess. As such, they don't represent solidified or concrete personas in and of themselves, but an expansive complex of amorphous potential.

 

The animus and anima are indefinite and undefinable — a consummate quintessence that provides personal and interpersonal balance. But they can be unconsciously projected onto the opposite gender, perceived in dreams, and purged through creative expression as any number of forms and personalities that can overwhelmingly numerous.

 

So, your emerging feminine alter ego could represent a/ repressed desire/s, or a profound need for emotional individuation, or even longing for an ideal new lover, all possibilities which require aspects of your anima but can never encompass her totality.

 

There are countless examples of animæ represented through creative media, like visual art, movies, prose, and

, all of which (I feel) accurately convey the anima/animus through both poetic and pragmatic language.

 

Practically speaking, it could be that your anima is trying to communicate with you more directly. You can choose to interface with her so that she can guide you through the experience, but I would strongly advise against trying to control her characteristics, or expect her to present a concrete visage. She can be an invaluable resource for creating a 'tulpa,' though.

 

Aside from that, the how, why and when will be entirely dependent upon your own quirks and barriers, all of which you'll discover along the way. Obviously, keeping careful documentation can greatly facilitate the process.

 

I hope that makes even a modicum of sense. These enigmatic concepts are incredibly difficult to articulate.

[querist]

I rarely if ever discount anyone's advice on the basis of age (except perhaps the single-digit crowd), and certainly not yours.

 

I'm a physician and I have a Ph.D. in computer security, my specific interests being malware and forensics along with Artificial Intelligence.

 

I have no intention on trying to shape her personality in any way, and the visage I associate with her is consistent. My desire is to allow her more independence so she can function on her own. I want her to become MORE real, if that makes any sense.

 

I am afraid to start with her, though, for fear of making a mistake. However, I cannot in good conscience make another tulpa for the sake of it being expendable if I make a serious error. Thus, I am at an impasse and faced with a quandary.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Ultimately, I think this will have to be a solitary quest.

 

Armed with almost five decades of experience and two (as yet publicly unknown) doctorates, you're far more qualified to know how to conjure your own mind-companion than anyone else on this board. In the end, you may deem every attempt to help you ineffectual.

 

I'll give it my best shot.

 

Regarding the anima and animus: These terms were coined by Jung in an attempt to describe a nebulous concept of the complementary gender archetypes that everyone seems to possess. As such, they don't represent solidified or concrete personas in and of themselves, but an expansive complex of amorphous potential.

 

The animus and anima are indefinite and undefinable — a consummate quintessence that provides personal and interpersonal balance. But they can be unconsciously projected onto the opposite gender, perceived in dreams, and purged through creative expression as any number of forms and personalities that can overwhelmingly numerous.

 

So, your emerging feminine alter ego could represent a/ repressed desire/s, or a profound need for emotional individuation, or even longing for an ideal new lover, all possibilities which require aspects of your anima but can never encompass her totality.

 

There are countless examples of animæ represented through creative media, like visual art, movies, prose, and

, all of which (I feel) accurately convey the anima/animus through both poetic and pragmatic language. Another musical example involves the guy who wrote the song 'Imaginary Friend' (from which the lyrics in my signature are taken). In one of his tunes, he relays the experience of his anima being reflected in—and filtered through—his (now ex) girlfriend. Amongst the lyrics...

 

• 
  'The truth is simple'
  Her voice says from inside
  In the face of all this pain and sufferin'
  She keeps me warm at night
  Her words of wisdom,
  Well, they never fail to help
  There's no way a man can love the world
  'Til he learns to love himself
  

 

When his anima inevitably changed, so did his romantic interest. Such is the ephemeral nature of the archetypal unconscious, I guess.

 

Practically speaking, it could be that your anima is trying to communicate with you more directly. You can choose to interface with her so that she can guide you through the experience, but I would strongly advise against trying to control her characteristics, or expect her to present a concrete visage. She can be an invaluable resource for creating a 'tulpa,' though.

 

Aside from that, the how, why and when will be entirely dependent upon your own quirks and barriers, all of which you'll discover along the way. Obviously, keeping careful documentation can greatly facilitate the process.

 

I hope that makes even a modicum of sense. These enigmatic concepts are incredibly difficult to articulate.

[glitchthe3rd]

Stop worrying so much and force. If her personality is already developed and she's sentient then there's not a whole lot else you could really screw up at this point.

[Nobillis]

Hello Querist, (asker of questions)

 

If I may restate your words to be sure I understand, you want her to be what we call an independent tulpa, with the experience of independent agency? If so, then I think you are worrying far to much. Tulpas have been found to be much more resilient then you appear to be thinking. And as for making a serious error, whilst concern is understandable it is usual for tulpas to just change anything about themselves they aren't satisfied with.

 

If you wanted to be super cautious, you could limit yourself to just talking to her until she has developed sufficiently to your mutual satisfaction (what's known as "passive forcing" or narrating). So you can just take it slowly if you are worried (i.e. just continue the "driving to/from work" conversations).

 

Some people have success in progress when they get another tulpa to talk with theirs. Even a "Hello" can help. (Btw, "Hello Kalanda.")

 

All-in-all I would counsel "let go of your fear." (Strong emotions are sometimes hard for a newly-formed tulpa to deal with.)

 

You are not alone in having an interest in computer security and A.I. That is a specialty of my human too. Lol, and I hardly "let' Kevin out", but rather he gives me time online when he is resting (yeah, I'm one of those "independent" types, sorry if that is weird and stuff).

 

 

I rarely if ever discount anyone's advice on the basis of age (except perhaps the single-digit crowd), and certainly not yours.

 

I'm a physician and I have a Ph.D. in computer security, my specific interests being malware and forensics along with Artificial Intelligence.

 

I have no intention on trying to shape her personality in any way, and the visage I associate with her is consistent. My desire is to allow her more independence so she can function on her own. I want her to become MORE real, if that makes any sense.

 

I am afraid to start with her, though, for fear of making a mistake. However, I cannot in good conscience make another tulpa for the sake of it being expendable if I make a serious error. Thus, I am at an impasse and faced with a quandary.

 

Any suggestions?

 

 

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I am afraid to start with her, though, for fear of making a mistake. However, I cannot in good conscience make another tulpa for the sake of it being expendable if I make a serious error. Thus, I am at an impasse and faced with a quandary.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Unfortunately, no. Not based on this, at least. But Nobilis made some very valid points as far as how much control a tulpa can have over its chosen characteristics.

 

Compared to most other members here, I seem to have a wildly difference approach to tulpas. For example, I can't stress enough that there are no concrete rules; only the malleable, implicate ephemerality of subjective mental constructs. Furthermore, I feel strongly that a tulpa can't truly be harmed unless the host believes they can be, in which case any injury would be self-inflictive.

 

To me, your emerging thought-form is, and will always be, an extension of you, dependent upon your deepest feelings, desires, whims, fears, expectations and, most importantly, established beliefs. So, I don't recommend trying to follow guides, and I encourage you to meditate and pursue your own intuition to the ends of the Earth.

 

In closing, I can't emphasize enough the importance of interacting with Kalanda directly to formulate a method that works for you. I mean, she's already exhibiting advanced cognition — find out if she has any ideas.

.

[querist]

It seems that the general consensus of those more experienced than I is that I should continue to meditate and let Kalanda develop as she will. She will be much more resilient than I initially suspected, and everything should work out in the end.

 

I shall keep folks posted on progress, but I want to let you know that I'll be out of the country for 10 days and I will not be able to come here while I am there. The nice thing about being where I will be is that it SHOULD be quiet and it will make meditation easier.

 

Kalanda is quite real and has demonstrated quite the personality, I've been told. Actually, she seems absolutely enchanting (as one would expect from an Anima) and I want very much to allow her to have a more independent life.

 

Pob hwyl!