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I'm not entirely sure if this is the right place to ask, but I've got a wicked habit of falling asleep any time I try to actively force. Every time I close my eyes and sit down, even if I'm focused on Ran, my mind starts to wander. First it's simple things like wondering why Marilyn Manson voice acted a muppet (he didn't to my knowledge) but eventually it leads to full-on sleep. I usually catch myself and try to return to forcing, but it keep happening. Does anyone have any advice? Perhaps I'm forcing wrong in the first place, but I don't think I should be falling asleep while looking at my tulpa.

Me speaking to Ran is blue

Ran speaking to me is mahogany

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Interesting guide! My tulpas still aren't fully vocal so this is going to be very helpful, I'll start trying it.

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