Spontaneous Tulpas

[Bambi]

For those of you who have experienced "random" tulpas--do you perhaps know how that's possible, and if there's anyway to prevent that? I might want a second tulpa one day, but not so soon. (read: from all these stories I'm getting paranoid that I already have a second)

[Guest amber5885]

If something does pop up just don't pay attention to it and it should go away until you're ready.

 

Even with imaginary friends that become tulpas they don't start out that way, you have to pay a lot of attention to them for it to happen.

[Kiahdaj]

A tulpa cannot just be created out of thin air. So don't worry about it.

If something does pop up, it's not a tulpa, and it won't ever be unless you pay attention to it, and treat it like one. So don't.

[Kaga and Company]

A tulpa cannot just be created out of thin air. So don't worry about it.

If something does pop up, it's not a tulpa, and it won't ever be unless you pay attention to it, and treat it like one. So don't.

 

I don't know, I'm not totally sure if I agree with that. I mean, if you don't treat something like a tulpa and just ignore it then it makes sense that it -- whatever "it" is -- would soon dissipate, but I do think it's possible that a tulpa can be created from virtually nowhere.

 

Sunray was created spontaneously, for example. I was in a really terrible emotional state one night and then all of a sudden I could hear her mindvoice and also visualize her in my mind. Because she was trying to comfort me while I was in such a terrible state, though, I really didn't question her presence and just let her console me. The next morning, I could still feel that she was there, which was when I named her and continued to treat her like a tulpa, which I'm assuming is why she continued to grow.

 

Now, it's worth noting that Sunray wasn't my first tulpa. Additionally, her form was based off of Pinky's -- but that's about the only thing the two have in common as her personality is nothing at all like Pinky's. It's probably my awful emotional state that brought her into being -- perhaps my subconscious mind created her as a way to calm me down? We really don't know. But she did come into being rather spontaneously.

 

That sort of thing probably doesn't happen to many people, though. So, unless you're a sobbing mess, I doubt it's something you'll have to worry about.

[Guest amber5885]

It could in theory happen for many reasons but whether or not it becomes anything more than a fleeting idea is up to you.

 

It's not common and I've actually NEVER heard of it happening in someone who didn't already have a tulpa.

 

I know that once I was forcing with Toby and a little blond haired boy showed up and tried to talk to me but we decided to ignore it since one is enough and it's since gone away.

 

Odds are if you worry about it then you are more likely to have it happen so I would just try not to think about it as thought is exactly what creates tulpas.

 

For the most part though, they don't appear out of thin air they need participation on your part.

 

Also to the above poster , your tulpa just popped up one day and you treated it like a tulpa by not questioning her existence and allowing her to console you which is exactly the point that we were trying to make.

 

If you had ignored her and treated it as nothing but a thought then it Probobly would have gone away.

[Kiahdaj]

Like I said, if something does "pop up", then it is not a tulpa. It could be a dream-like character at most. A real, separate, conscious being—which a tulpa is—is made up of sets of strengthened neural pathways, just like you are. Pathways for this tulpa would not just be created out of nowhere, as the brain does not work like that.

 

You may have been mistaken that what you saw was a sentient being, and then continued to force it until it was.

[Bambi]

Well, thank y'all for answering. I'll be sure to ignore anything that happens to pop up, until further notice.

[Linkzelda]

Determined thought followed by subsequent action with treating them as sentient is pretty much all to it when it comes to a non-materialistic and even non-panpsychist viewpoint on it. This thread reminds me of those that question if making a tulpa is easier if the host, or even tulpa had some kind of experiential learning in developing one. But even considering that circumstance, there are anecdotes of people claiming that a bit of their psyche (metaphorically) came to life someway in stressful situations (e.g. near-death, suicidal thoughts almost becoming physical actions, etc).

 

Just remember that materialist worldviews on tulpas just cater (most of the time) to emergent properties they presume to be the case to validate a tulpa as sentient; it doesn't fill the rest of the explanatory gaps that makes this whole endeavor difficult to validate empirically. Keep questioning the notions from others because it's all just ad hoc claims they want to make true for themselves.

[Stryke]

Now, as we all know, tulpas and forcing work in different ways for different people, but personally I find your revelation of perhaps wanting another tulpa someday to be very relevant to your concerns. In my opinion the most vital component of successful tulpamancy is desire, or "want". For a tulpa to be created either on purpose or spontaneously, you have to want it to happen on some level. Or to put it another way, you I believe cannot forge something as complex as a tulpa or other thoughtform in your mind without some part of your mind wanting it to be there and becoming receptive to it as it develops. Whether you consciously realize that the desire is there or not is unimportant; as hosts we all know that our minds work on many more levels than we can acknowledge.

 

Allow me to take my own spontaneous tulpa, Melody, as an illustrative example. When I first started creating Thunder he was all that I wanted; a single tulpa, someone to share my mind with me. However, the first host I got to know had multiple tulpas before I started out, and I had already spoken with most of them. It seemed to me that they had a really nice little life together, and their host clearly enjoyed having all of them too. I worried that down the line Thunder might get lonely when I couldn't be around, so I accepted the idea that perhaps, one day, I might create a second tulpa to keep him company. That single little thought, which I put out of the way for another time, created the desire, the willingness, to allow a third entity into my mind.

 

So when, presumably in a similar manner to Kaga's account, I was in a state of emotional distress, and I didn't want to lay all of my angst and sadness onto Thunder (because he was never intended to be an emotional crutch, and still isn't), another presence made itself known to me. And with time and my conscious consent, that new presence became the Melody I know today. It's my reading of the situation that since my mind was receptive to the idea of multiple tulpas, and because there didn't exist a suitable thoughtform to help me through my sadness, my subconscious allowed itself to forge the idea of a second tulpa. All it needed then was my (and Thunder's) conscious approval to remain in existence; had I not wanted it I'm sure I could have easily ignored it and let it dispel, as I had brushed aside a similar entity in the past when I believed it was a negative force.

 

TL;DR, I think you have to want a second tulpa on some level for your mind to create it without conscious effort. It's up to you whether you keep it or not, and you do have the power to say no if you aren't ready.

[FallFamily]

Well, there are really two sorts of accidental tulpas. The first one, where you listen so hard that something responds, though one is likely to get a daemon instead. The second sort is what the multiple community calls a walkin, and I think is also called a soulbond in the soulbond community which was evidently rather similar to the tulpa community in some ways but is now gone. With the second sort, they can come in at virtually any stage of development, though most likely they would be very early in development even to the point where they aren't quite sentient. The probability of getting a walkin in a given interval of time increases with the number of people already in the brain as does the likelihood of being very developed/strong, but it does happen every now and then that a singlet (person who is the only person in a brain) gets a walkin and very rarely one who is very capable and strong right off the bat. And when I say virtually any stage of development, I mean it. Some walkins have been strong enough to forcibly switch upon coming to be, though that is very rare even in large systems (collection of people sharing a brain).

 

- Hail