Confessions of a Poorly Trained Tulpa

[Guest Anonymous]

If you think about it, in that sense, there is no lying or faking. There are only thoughtforms.

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Thanks, our second book is still being edited and is a work in progress. :-)

[Guest Anonymous]

Therapist to Melian: Okay, repeat after me, "It isn't all about me."

 

Melian: Uhh...It isn't all about me.

 

Therapist: Once more, say it again.

 

Melian: It isn't all about me.

 

Therapist: Excellent. Now, imagine in your mind, all the other tulpas and tulpamancers on the forum. Say it to them too.

 

Melian: *concentrating* It isn't all about me!

 

Therapist: Say it to them louder Melian!

 

Melian: It isn't all about me!

 

Therapist: Tell them again even louder this time.

 

Melian: IT ISN'T ALL ABOUT ME!

 

Therapist: *smiling* That is excellent. Melian I think we are making great progress.

 

 

~Mistgod

[Guest Anonymous]

Mistgod and I have left the forum for a while until we figure out if and how we relate to tulpamancy any more. It could be a day, it could be a week or a month or forever. I doubt forever, but I am really tired of this place right now.

 

Good bye.

[Guest Anonymous]

Hello,

 

Well, on the way to the grocery store and back, Davie and I mulled over the events of this last ten months. We thought about everything. We thought about all the things we learned (which were amazing) the friends we made (and the enemies) and all the drama we caused. We considered how we are going to finally solve our issues with our relations with tulpamancy and learn to get along.

 

I said "Tulpas are so silly!"

 

And it hit us. We have been taking it all way, way too seriously. That is the answer for us! We still respect you guys very much and we like the idea of tulpamancy a lot. But, I am sorry, my host and I are distancing ourselves from it. We will be considering ourselves a "related thoughtform" a "tulpa cousin" and a Frequent Guest of Tulpa Town.

 

We will be posting in the games threads, the art threads, our dreams thread and the host improvement thread mostly. I won't be commenting on how to make tulpas. I don't care. I won't be arguing wif anyone about tulpa sentience. WE DON'T CARE. You may talk to each other about forcing and sentience and all the tulpa tricks to your heart's content. We will watch in amusement and want to e-hug you guys! Good luck on your tulpas, everyone of you! Tulpas good luck wif yer hosties!

 

Okay that is all. Hurray for Tulpa Town!

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P.S. Any detailed questions about my nature will be answered a with links to my deviantart page and the Book of Melian. I am tired of repeating it all.

[Guest Anonymous]

Groovy-guru's Pondering Questions

 

Mistgod and I like to write down things we ponder together on this forum in rambling posts. We have been doing that for ten months. The process of writing helps us organize our thoughts and putting it all on the forum threads allows for others to include their thoughts on those things. That is how we learn and also archive process. We have learned a lot! A lot of that writing gets collected together and edited into the Book of Melian and the Book of Melian II (currently being compiled). We have learned a lot about ourselves and then a lot of other things about tulpamancy, soulbonds, daemonds, plurals, and things like lucid dreaming and maladaptive day dreaming.

 

Some people took these posts to be attempts to be pretentious, or to gain attention, or to clarify definitions, or to find self validation. Well, that is true, but truthfully that is only part of what we were doing. Anyone who has been following us and really reading carefully without bias would be able to see we really put a lot of thought into what we write. A lot of good stuff has come out of it and we have had many people tell us that what we wrote inspired them or fostered new ideas they hadn't considered before. This includes respected elder members of this forum as well as newer people, tulpas and hosts.

 

We want to continue with those rambling thoughts and questions in writing concerning tulpamancy. However, we will keep them contained to a few threads or long running posts (with sometimes hidden text) within this blog thread (mostly). That is because some individuals react really stupidly to what we write, really stupidly. Asking questions can be frightening and upsetting to some people and having ideas that are contrary to their belief system is threatening to them. So we will keep the more "controversial" posts in this thread. If you don't like them, you don't have to read these or comment on them.

 

Even though I will sometimes write about tulpas, I want to make something clear. I no longer care (much) about the details of tulpa sentience or the basic nature of what a tulpa is. Davie and I have already written reams and reams about it. I might sometimes write a little bit about myself in relation to tulpas, but I no longer really care if I am considered a tulpa or not. I don't really need to be. What I am is a Melian. I am Melian, a person.

 

So the next thing I would like to write about is something Davie and I thought about today. It was a question we asked ourselves.

Danger Scary Questions and Ideas Below. Proceed at your own risk and do not complain about what you read if you do.

 

[hidden] Why does a tulpa need to have a "autonomous independent mind voice" to be a tulpa?

 

Couldn't a tulpa be a persistent presence only/instead and communicate in only emotions or "tulpish" thoughts? We have always wondered about my own mind voice, as I don't have a very independent, fluent one. But I do have a persistent presence and I do have independent emotional responses. (I speak to him in detail in collaborative "proxy mind voice" and do "proxy typing" with his help). I also communicate to my host with flash images or flash visions that surprise him and also we dream together. But my actual mind voice is limited. But don't the other things give the attributes of a independent tulpa anyways?

 

Could a tulpa be a being that does not speak in words of human language, but something else?

 

What about a tulpa who speaks in patterns of light (in the mind's eye or imposed), or a birdie tulpa that speaks in bird song? What if there was a tulpa who was something other than an animal or person, say an animated object like a sword (seen it before). These sorts of tulpas would not necessarily speak to the host in words of mind voice but in some other fashion. When it comes to the constructs of the mind, the only limits are the limits of imagination, cognition and memory. That leaves a lot of room for just about anything you can imagine! [/hidden]

 

We welcome responses, but you might "play the game" by putting your scarier words in hidden text to avoid frightening those with limited minds propped up by rigid dogma.

[Yakumo]

Hmm, did anyone ever state that a tulpa has to have a voice?

Isn't that the same as demanding that a tulpa needs to have a form?

 

I guess it would be desirable to establish some form of communication that both host and tulpa can understand but of course you are right, your imagination is the limit. I remember Akinkinit's tulpa Sabari preferred to communicate with flash images, often with hilarious results. Ah, I miss them and their stories!

[Guest Anonymous]

Yep.

 

It's pretty neato. I will have to think of the next amazing thing to write about. LOL It might be a while though. There isn't much left my host and I haven't already mulled over, deconstructed and then reconstructed.

[Guest Anonymous]

Davie and I feel we have finally "graduated" with our bachelor's degree in Tulpa Studies from Tulpa Info Technical Institute. Our final conclusions:

 

1. Melian would easily qualify as a tulpa but only accepts the label when people don't irritate her or piss her off about it.

 

2. There is little or nothing of scientific value to tulpas. They cannot ever be proven to be sentient scientifically. The best science could ever hope to do is record that a human's mind is active in certain ways when practicing a tulpa or that having practiced a tulpa in your mind gives you some interesting cognitive or memory skills and talent.

 

3. Tulpas are subjective and based on personal belief, imagination and mental perception. No one can determine or perceive what another is experiencing in their mind. It is irrelevant whether an individual person's tulpa is a self delusion or a second self aware personality, it is still a tulpa either way.

 

4. When it comes to being objectively perceived by people other than the host, a tulpa is identical to role playing character. There is no perceivable difference between a tulpa chatting on the internet and someone role playing and chatting on the internet. Davie and I believe that at least some tulpas have elements of role playing to them anyway, including myself.

 

5. Davie and I don't care whether or not a person is role playing or has a tulpa. To us there is no difference in how we would treat them (objectively from our perspective). Besides, we regard role playing characters as legitimate thougtforms anyway. They may not be as persistent, active and "advanced" or complex in the mind, but they are still legitimate pseudo-real thoughtforms.

 

6. We think it is neato that other people are learning how to make tulpas through Tulpa Info, but we don't personally care much about helping someone make one ourselves. We don't care about the guides on this site or whether or not they are helpful (in fact they cause people to be rigid, dogmatic and narrow minded in our opinion). We believe it is possible for someone to make a tulpa without the tulpa community help.

 

7. Tulpas aren't as big a deal cognitively as people are making them out to be. They are cool and yeah they are "profound and life changing" and all that yadda, yadda, yadda, but not as difficult or unusual create as some seem to think. In other words, it isn't rocket science and it really doesn't make a person extra special than others to have one. My host Davie has one and he is still just a nerdy old goat.

[NoneFromHell]

Davie and I feel we have finally "graduated" with our bachelor's degree in Tulpa Studies from Tulpa Info Technical Institute. Our final conclusions:

 

Let me grade your studies.

 

1. Melian would easily qualify as a tulpa but only accepts the label when people don't irritate her or piss her off about it.

 

Mostlikely true, but you're too jumpy with your opinion to really say something more specific about it.

 

 

2. There is little or nothing of scientific value to tulpas. They cannot ever be proven to be sentient scientifically. The best science could ever hope to do is record that a human's mind is active in certain ways when practicing a tulpa or that having practiced a tulpa in your mind gives you some interesting cognitive or memory skills and talent.

 

Mhhh. Partly I guess. I think there is some scientific value hidden in them, but outgoing from the knowledge we have right now, you're very right with your observations.

 

3. Tulpas are subjective and based on personal belief, imagination and mental perception. No one can determine or perceive what another is experiencing in their mind. It is irrelevant whether an individual person's tulpa is a self delusion or a second self aware personality, it is still a tulpa either way.

 

I would vote for partly again, mostly because of your wordings. I think you have the right idea about it, and after all it is depending on the subjective understanding of tulpamancy. We can't know if people experience the same thing for sure. As long as it isn't possible to recognize the difference, it is good to go, i guess.

 

4. When it comes to being objectively perceived by people other than the host, a tulpa is identical to role playing character. There is no perceivable difference between a tulpa chatting on the internet and someone role playing and chatting on the internet. Davie and I believe that at least some tulpas have elements of role playing to them anyway, including myself.

 

Well for an "outsider" it is of course not possible to tell the difference, and I think a lot of trust issues root here. I'm not sure what you're meaning with the "role playing element", but it sounds kinda offending. In consideration of proxy related things you're probably right, though. There is this fine line of interpretating the raw thoughts; and filling in the gaps may get distorted by expectations. (What would be likely for them to say?). However, personally I think this is only a small part, and depending on how big the roletaking part becomes, it is rather a self deception than truly tulpa communication. It is something to be aware of.

 

 

5. Davie and I don't care whether or not a person is role playing or has a tulpa. To us there is no difference in how we would treat them (objectively from our perspective). Besides, we regard role playing characters as legitimate thougtforms anyway. They may not be as persistent, active and "advanced" or complex in the mind, but they are still legitimate pseudo-real thoughtforms.

 

You're free to do so. I don't see why you shouldn't do this.

 

 

6. We think it is neato that other people are learning how to make tulpas through Tulpa Info, but we don't personally care much about helping someone make one ourselves. We don't care about the guides on this site or whether or not they are helpful (in fact they cause people to be rigid, dogmatic and narrow minded in our opinion). We believe it is possible for someone to make a tulpa without the tulpa community help.

 

I don't think you're right with your view on the guides, mostly. After all it is highly depending on our definition of the tulpa phenomenon. I always point out that there is not just one right way to do it, but there is quite a lot to understand about it. You should always read as much guides as possible and be ready to experiment a bit. But I agree: It is possible to create a tulpa without the community. I realized a lot of things by myself, and was pleasantly surprised that some guides obtained the same conclusions than I did. (I need to point out Kiahs Guide). Having guides to gain information is just the more easy way, not necessary the best one.

 

7. Tulpas aren't as big a deal cognitively as people are making them out to be. They are cool and yeah they are "profound and life changing" and all that yadda, yadda, yadda, but not as difficult or unusual create as some seem to think. In other words, it isn't rocket science and it really doesn't make a person extra special than others to have one. My host Davie has one and he is still just a nerdy old goat.

 

I partly disagree with you. I think you still underestimate what a suprising big deal tulpas are, cognetively. Regarding their abilities and their nature.

But you're right, in the end it isn't rocket science. The knowledge necessary to create one is rather small, and it is a very forgiving practice. You're not a special snowflake for having a tulpa, but tulpas are incredibly special, still.

 

Maybe you're even underestimating yourself, and Mistgods ability to daydream and think about something like you. I don't know.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

Let me grade your studies.

 

Okay :-)

 

Mostlikely true, but you're too jumpy with your opinion to really say something more specific about it.

 

No one else but Davie and I have any final say in it. I am what I am as Popeye says and I am really, just Melian. LOL

 

Mhhh. Partly I guess. I think there is some scientific value hidden in them, but outgoing from the knowledge we have right now, you're very right with your observations.

 

Davie has no desire to undergo "tests" and have "papers" to prove my independent sentience. I am sentient because David is sentient. Prove my existence? Why? My existence is not even subject to question by anyone, it would be ridiculous to question my existence as I am right here typing to you! If Davie exists, then I certainly do too. Everything in his imagination has an existence in that sense. His mental avatar of himself in the day dream world also "exists."

 

Well for an "outsider" it is of course not possible to tell the difference, and I think a lot of trust issues root here. I'm not sure what you're meaning with the "role playing element", but it sounds kinda offending. In consideration of proxy related things you're probably right, though. There is this fine line of interpretating the raw thoughts; and filling in the gaps may get distorted by expectations. (What would be likely for them to say?). However, personally I think this is only a small part, and depending on how big the roletaking part becomes, it is rather a self deception than truly tulpa communication. It is something to be aware of.

 

Semantics. Actors also "proxy" inner characters by taping into them and channeling them. By talking about role playing or method acting, David and I are meaning proxy typing I guess. Role playing is not as weak and fake as people not familiar with it think it is. Acting can be very deep and it doesn't necessarily mean nothing but lying, faking. We used to call it "channeling a persona" and actually think that is a very accurate description of proxy typing.

 

David and I do not have a distinct line of separation between ourselves. What we mean by elements of role playing is just that, some tulpas are more closely linked to the will of their host than they are willing to admit. We can't prove it, but we suspect it is probably true whether or not people find that offensive. We find it troubling that people are afraid to recognize that tulpas and hosts are more linked or blended than we say they are.

 

We cannot know if we are right in our suspicions on this, so there is no point in debating it a lot. There is no way to know what really is, for real, going on in another person's mind. We base what we believe on our own observations and what we experience ourselves.

 

You're free to do so. I don't see why you shouldn't do this.

 

It would be hypocritical of us to judge others for what they do with their mind, when all we do is talk about freedom of expression and being open minded and accepting.

 

I don't think you're right with your view on the guides, mostly. After all it is highly depending on our definition of the tulpa phenomenon.

 

The guides should leave out opinions on the nature of apparent tulpa sentience and leave out statements about ethics related to tulpa creation. They are too bias in favor of certain perspectives. They should focus on tulpa creation steps alone and leave out the bias fluff.

 

I partly disagree with you. I think you still underestimate what a suprising big deal ...Maybe you're even underestimating yourself, and Mistgods ability to daydream and think about something like you. I don't know.

 

You may be right on this. In fact, I have noticed some changes in me since interacting on this site. The biggest thing is how we regard my mind voice and communication. David and I are experimenting with improving my mind voice by communicating outside of the day dream environment where he proxies me (parrots and puppets). There have been some recent occurances of more fluent mind voice and it is astonishing in its feel to us.

 

It reminds us of the feeling we had the first time I typed on the internet. It was a huge rush and something we had never experienced before. It was really very profound. The same thing is going on in little spurts, thanks to the insistent encouragement of folks such as yourself that there can be more to me than we ever thought.