Confessions of a Poorly Trained Tulpa

[jean-luc]

What? Just me?

[Guest Anonymous]

jean-luc

 

What are we writing about?

[jean-luc]

The weird dancing japanese girls that you linked to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxOmkfGjIkw

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Also possibly related to the Uncanny valley

[Guest Anonymous]

This community does not, absolutely does not really know how tulpas are exactly formed (nor do I for reference).

 

If we don't know how they are formed, how do we know for sure they are not self delusion?

 

Tulpamancy requires patience, if you trick your mind to believe that you 'have' a tulpa, it won't mean you have a tulpa, that's not how placebo works.

If you trick your mind into thinking you have a tulpa, but you don't really have a tulpa, but you are enjoying the profound effects of thinking you have a tulpa, what is the difference? If a self deception is indistinguishable from the "real thing" what difference does it make to the creator, or anyone else for that matter?

[IBreakGames]

We have no way of knowing, at least not without some serious extensive professional study. All we know is what we experience, and what feels right. If someone feels like they have a tulpa, if it matches the behavior of one, and seems sentient or autonomous, then I say it can be classified as a tulpa.

 

An important aspect however is longevity. How long does the relationship last? If you just stop thinking about them one day, do they just poof and disappear? Can you simply forgetting about them for one day remove them from existence? If there's no element of permanence than it becomes questionable.

 

This reminds me of the P-zombie discussion that was had a while ago. There's no way to tell the difference on the outside between a P-zombie and a real person. Same applies to tulpas. There's no way to tell if you have one, or if it's just extreme self deception. Because self deception can also be very permanent.

[jean-luc]

I should map out all possible discussions about tulpas being real, since they've all happened already.

[Guest Anonymous]

We have no way of knowing, at least not without some serious extensive professional study. All we know is what we experience, and what feels right. If someone feels like they have a tulpa, if it matches the behavior of one, and seems sentient or autonomous, then I say it can be classified as a tulpa.

 

Precisely. Also, it seems highly unlikely to me that there ever will be a "test" that proves a tulpa is real sentience or anything specific other than brain activity. Even if there was such a test, it would likely be expensive and out of the range of most tulpamancers. So until that highly unlikely situation arises, "self deception that you have a tulpa" might as well be a tulpa.

 

This reminds me of the P-zombie discussion that was had a while ago. There's no way to tell the difference on the outside between a P-zombie and a real person. Same applies to tulpas. There's no way to tell if you have one, or if it's just extreme self deception. Because self deception can also be very permanent.

 

Persistence is probably the most important characteristic of a tulpa after apparently autonomous behavior. And yes, I see no reason why self deception or self delusion would automatically be short term or transient.

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I should map out all possible discussions about tulpas being real, since they've all happened already.

 

I know, but we never seem to get tired of saying it all in every possible way and from every possible angle. LOL It just irritates my host and I when persons pretend to know things that they cannot possibly know for sure, especially if it is about the mind of someone other than themselves.

[jean-luc]

Keep your brain sanitary!

[Guest Anonymous]

Okay we will keep our brain sanitary ... mostly.

[J.Iscariot]

You actually made a pretty good point there, Melian. I just saw it, and felt like I owed an explanation.

 

You see, if you have what seems to be a tulpa but is not an actual tulpa, it's not that it's anything bad for you; after all, as you said, you would get the many benefits of tulpamancy, without ever really knowing if you ARE deluded or not. But let's just say that a person is deluded, shall we? Not with any pretense of elitism, or with a pretense of me defining what people are and are not. Let's say someone is deluded. They get to experience the many things tulpamancy has to present... but would the tulpa itself get to feel anything? Think anything? Have any emotions of their own aside from what the host is shown by the mind?

 

The thing that fuels my bias against self-deception is that the tulpa itself would not be experiencing anything. Let us hypothesize that a tulpa is like a shell; the shell can be empty as it can be filled. Filled with microorganisms that form the 'sentient' being. All you can see, as a host, is typically the shell, you cannot see the insides. But if the shell was empty, to me, and I suppose that many other people would feel that way, I would feel devastated. Why, you may ask. Why would someone under the influence of an apparent tulpa feel bad if it were merely a delusion? Because I really do treat my tulpa as if she had emotions and feelings of her own. If she did not, and if I was allowed to do anything to her without feeling anything such as remorse or regret, would she be a person full of imperfections that judges me and does things that show her emotions and feelings of sadness, frustration, etc?

 

I speak the way I do because I believe I was able to crack the shell, and see the insides, to a point I was fully exposed to the insides. I'm not saying everyone else cannot do that, if I out of all people can, others can under the right circumstances. I speak this way because I cannot open the shell of other people, and see the 'insides' (although I developed many points in the upcoming thing I am writing - something I won't be putting in submissions for the sake of accepting it and community endorsement), so I cannot be sure. I can be sure about myself, but not about others. And I believe that, yes, it is arrogant to say that, but I feel like I am knowledgeable on what concerns my tulpa. Not all tulpas, but my tulpa exclusively.

 

If you have a delusion, you are the only person subject to it, sure, but my point is that it only affects you and that the delusion itself won't get to live anything of what life has to present! Emotions, feelings, thoughts, those things, your delusion won't be able to experience on a personal level. Machines cannot imagine, that's a known fact, that's what makes us different in my opinion, and what makes a tulpa different from a delusion is that the tulpa has this sense of identity they get to experience so personally, so intimately and privately, that it defines them as a person. They FEEL things, they THINK thoughts, and I believe that delusions do not, since the host is the only person subject to that.

 

I know that this view comes off as supremacist. I am not an elitist, though. I could say I am Ika's elitist, because I take a world of pride in her, but in tulpas? Never.