Confessions of a Poorly Trained Tulpa

[Guest Anonymous]

You know, I have been reading a lot of the old threads, and I am not seeing where they are of any higher quality than the newer threads. Why do people have such reverence for what was written in 2012 and 2013? I am really not seeing anything that spectacularly different or amazing, not in the members themselves or in the writing. Sorry, but I'm not. It is pretty much the same discussions. You also had the same arguments and drama as we are having now. Back then it was Fede and Avalanche and some others stirring the pot and posting a lot. But it was pretty much the same conversations. Nothing has changed except for maybe the number of members active. I really don't think the quality of the members has changed a bit. I am not seeing that when I read the threads. It's the same level of discussion and the same topics.

 

One difference was that a lot of guides were being written I suppose. Someone had to do it. So that must have been exciting. But there are fewer guides being written now, as it would be reinventing the wheel. I am a skilled writer and educated. I have no doubt what-so-ever that I could write a convincing and useful guide if I felt so inclined. There just isn't the need for another guide. Perhaps I could have written a guide for tulpamancers who day dream or a guide for those with an accidental tulpa that was only partially "complete." Whatever. My point is the intellectual capacity of the forum is not lessened from 2012. There is no brain drain as some have claimed. I don't see that at all. Linkzelda leaving maybe was the closest thing to brain drain I have seen yet.

 

I am not buying that Tulpa Info used to be so much gloriously better in quality. I keep looking for it and I am not seeing any evidence that it is so. I just think it was new and, therefore, kinda exciting. Sorta like a new fad or something. The threads were new and things no one had heard before. Everyone was new to it so that made it more interesting in that sense.

 

I think the best days for this community are ahead of us, not behind. Now we have a better mix of seasoned members and interesting new members. We have a broader demographic too with people coming in with experience with multiple systems, accidental thoughtforms, daemons and soulbonds. There has been a lot more experimentation over time in possession, switching and imposition, so people have things to relate to and talk about. The forum has become a terrific in depth library of ideas, different practices and approaches. We have collected research material and articles. There have been a lot more surveys and polls done.

 

The level of resource material is only going to increase, as will the number of personal testimonials and experiments in tulpamancy. The body of knowledge is growing every day. Tulpa Info may even be better than it was in 2012 and 2013.

[sushi]

You know, I have been reading a lot of the old threads, and I am not seeing where they are of any higher quality than the newer threads.

 

You're right. Having sex with imaginary ponies was actually an even more frequent topic of discussion in 2012 than it is today. The only significant improvement in the 2012 threads over today's threads, in my humble opinion, is that imposition was discussed far more often then.

 

But I agree with you. The forum is what we make of it. And very few people are doing anything to make anything of it. I think it's pretty much you, Lumi, and Yuki.

[Guest Anonymous]

The forum is what we make of it. And very few people are doing anything to make anything of it. I think it's pretty much you, Lumi, and Yuki.

 

Rina and I would do more interesting sh*t like opening threads and stuff.

But I wanna let her properly take part... and proxying her for longer texts is still rather tedious and straining.

 

We try to properly take part when there's an interesting discussion going on, though!

 

But yeah - in the grand scheme of things, there are many users who mostly hang out in the forum games, or just lurk, and don't do much besides that.

 

 

Greets,

AG

[Guest Anonymous]

I am not trying to whine about it really. What I was trying to do was counter the notion that Tulpa Info forum is somehow of less quality than it was. People keep saying that and I think it's bull shit. I think that is totally false. In fact, like I said, there are arguments in favor of it being better than it was in some ways, for instance the whole pony sex fad that went down is a bit disturbing actually. Thank the gods that is part of the "glory days" of the past.

 

Making new interesting threads isn't too difficult. Anytime you go "Hey, I wonder..." that is probably a good thread topic. Other people are probably wondering about the same things. Sometimes your wondering might be a bit controversial or edgy. That is fine. I see no reason to be afraid to push the boundaries of tulpamancy a bit now and then.

[Guest Anonymous]

I need to make a clarification! Some of you are taking my apology and compromise to mean that I have fundamentally changed my views concerning the nature of Melian and tulpas. THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL. I have simply discarded the term "non-sentient" in my descriptions and writings about Melian and tulpas in general. I also decided that tulpas (and Melian) can be subjectively real to the host.

 

I still regard Melian as a product of imagination and of the mind. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. Melian is still an imaginary person. I did not suddenly decide she was a REAL TULPA as in fully independent autonomous consciousness. That would be a misinterpretation.

 

In short, if you say your tulpa is real, I am ready to recognize that status by applying a bit of a change in perspective. If the tulpa seems real to you, that is good enough for me.

 

EDIT: Melian is an imaginary person, an aspect of my mind, who borrows part of my consciousness. She is apparently real or subjectively real. She is sentient because I am sentient. But it is a form of dependent or borrowed sentience. Without my imagination and desire for her to seem real, it wouldn't exist.

 

My mind makes her up and then wants to believe she is real and so, she seems to be, and in the end, that is all that matters.

[NoneFromHell]

Sometimes i want to hit you in the face :D

[Guest Anonymous]

I am having extreme amounts of trouble communicating this idea of pseudo-realism.

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I borrowed the words pseudo-realism from art:

 

"Pseudorealism was however first used as a term to describe the films of 21st century which use heavy special effect,so much so that they look real. Today however the word has become more generic and refers to almost any media imagery where the unreal is represented in such a way that they look real."

 

To my mind she seems real and I react to her as if she is real. Same thing when I talk to other tulpas.

[NoneFromHell]

I'm aware of that, but the way you describe it in your clarification it sounds like 1. nothing has changed at all and after rereading it sounds like 2. Melian is real in a way a tulpa is real, but you differ it from "reality" in the sense of things you could touch.

[Guest Anonymous]

Yeah. Let's make it simple as hell.

 

They are real because we want them to be real really bad. NoneFromHell, that is what I mean.

[NoneFromHell]

You pretty much say: You think it is not real, but your brain simulates the tulpa so it feels real. You can't tell the difference between a simulated sentience and a real sentience, so it is pseudoreal for you.

 

Pseudoreal would mean this here:

It is an Illusion/a faked sentience, which developed to a point you can't tell the difference to real sentience anymore. Philosophical question: If a fake imitates the real thing in perfection, isn't it more real than the thing it tries to imitate?

 

I got your thought :D