Beginner Questions General

[tania]

temmemarie  Interesting post #969 you made a great post for people who may not understand what the difference between an imaginary friend and a tulpa.

 

With a tulpa as you are aware.. it does not feel like it's coming from you and they do things which completely surprise their hosts.  I learn things I did not know about him from my tulpa as he teaches me more about himself, he comes up with things I myself would of never thought eg like showing up with a cross about his neck as he is christian where I am not. I had not even ever thought about tulpas having religions or a different one to the host till he did that. or finding myself in his wonderland, only to find out then that he's only got a single bed and no double bed there, seeing he was also made as a bed pal that was a real shock to me to see. He does a lot of unexpected things. My tulpa can surprise me often as he is himself and not at all dependent on any of my thoughts or thinking.  (he completely shocks me at times).

 

So yeah I do think that having a tulpa could fill that gap you feel now.  Have you thought about trying to make your imaginary friend into a tulpa by trying to think of him becoming more than just a imaginary friend?  (I don't know if that could be easier or harder than starting afresh seeing you already have so many preconceived notions of your current imaginary friend)

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Could having a tulpa make it even harder to relate to other people, because I would become even more psychologically complex and different? Is it likely to further isolate me from my family and friends?

 

It could isolate you if you choose to just spend your time at home with tulpa in your headspace (I've come across people who it did cut them off from others due to a tulpa and ended up feeling like this negatively impacted them esp if it's a younger person who is using a tulpa as a social crutch rather then being out there bettering their social skills)..

 

but on the other hand it may help you if your tulpa really liked people and encouraged you to get out. It's really up to you how you react and what you do once you have a tulpa. You may want to think about setting ground rules for yourself before you start if you are worried it could end up making you socially less active.

 

Also remember there is no rush to make tulpas.. if you are young and it could negatively affect you socially, it can be put off til you are a bit older (I think of the school years as being a time when people are doing a lot of social learning from their peers and others so an increased risk of a tulpa possibly socially being a hinder than a help.. you cant get back those years if you loose them and end up spending them locked in your bedroom with a tulpa.

 

Some who were socially awkward or shy end up switching or allowing their tulpas instead to front for very long periods.. which can be an escapist thing even if they may not be aware of it. In those cases this is not conductive to a persons social growth.

 

Be aware too that if you do make another character as a tulpa, that you could possibly end up finding due to then having a different mindset about things, your current imaginary friend could possibly end up changing to an accidental tulpa. There may be a chance you could end up having to deal with two tulpas.

[temmemarie]

Hi, I have another question (sorry!). I’m finding all this information super fascinating, and I already love imagining things, but I don’t think I’m ready to make a commitment to a sentient being, and deal with the ethical concerns.

 

Would it be possible to use some of these tulpa-creating techniques to create characters or imaginary friends that feel very real, but aren’t sentient? I also write fiction, and it would be really useful for developing characters that feel real, but I might want to create new characters, and not have like 10 tulpas.

 

Basically, is there a good way to make something/someone who feels like a tulpa, but isn’t sentient? Also, would it be possible for me to experiment, and if a character starts to develop sentience, kind of “abort” them and shut them down before they actually develop into a unique person? Or maybe ignore them strategically in order to keep the sentience in check.

 

I’m so fascinated, but I don’t want to be a bad person or a murderer.

[tania]

Hi, I have another question (sorry!). I’m finding all this information super fascinating, and I already love imagining things, but I don’t think I’m ready to make a commitment to a sentient being, and deal with the ethical concerns.

 

Would it be possible to use some of these tulpa-creating techniques to create characters or imaginary friends that feel very real, but aren’t sentient? I also write fiction, and it would be really useful for developing characters that feel real, but I might want to create new characters, and not have like 10 tulpas.

 

Basically, is there a good way to make something/someone who feels like a tulpa, but isn’t sentient? Also, would it be possible for me to experiment, and if a character starts to develop sentience, kind of “abort” them and shut them down before they actually develop into a unique person? Or maybe ignore them strategically in order to keep the sentience in check.

 

I’m so fascinated, but I don’t want to be a bad person or a murderer.

 

 

The fact that you'd be using tulpa guides.. is likely to subconsciously influence you at the very least and would likely lead instead to a tulpa even if you are intending just imaginary friend.

 

The aborting them as soon as they start showing sentience is probably a bad thing. I find when mine reach that point they are like fully aware and capable of properly speaking etc.. there is no working their way to being sentient or a having a bit of sentience in my case.. they either are fully sentient or not (as I said before I'm only talking about how it is for me).  To ignore.. would just cause you to loose the imaginary friend or tulpa you've made so I cant see how ignoring would help things.

[Ranger]

From our experience, it's pretty dangerous to make a tulpa-like not-sentient being because what you end up with is... a tulpa. I don't recommend using creation guides when creating new characters.

 

I have story characters and tulpas, and too many of both. I had trouble with making too many tulpas until I learned to stop.

 

The big key difference is I don't expect my story characters to think for themselves. I don't talk to them directly in the mind. When I speak to my tulpas, I am listening for their responses, but I am not doing that for my story characters. I always watch my story characters in 3rd person and expect them to move on their own based on what I'm thinking and feeling where I face my tulpas and they give a secondary reaction to my feelings. Another thing I do is keep my tulpas separate from my story characters. That helps me not create any new tulpas.

 

As for something you think could be sentient but don't want, I would stop thinking about it and let it dissipate on its own. It's always better to do it sooner rather than later and accidents happen and independent sentience won't take hold until you forced it enough. Even if the thoughtform seems to have its own feelings, it may not have a separate sense of identity yet and you can re-absorb your shard or let them go. I don't recommend planning on having to do that though, since that in of itself can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[tania]

Hi all, I'm wondering what the definition of tulpamancy is as I thought it was anyone who makes tulpas and does the whole tulpa stuff... but someone has told me different and said it has to do with making one for psychological reasons. Is there a definition of what exactly is tuplamancy at this website? or is it just a general term for those who are making and working with tulpas with no necessarily connection to psychological things.

 

thanks

[Ranger]

The main site has a psychological explanation for what a tulpa is here: tulpa.info

There is also a glossary on various terms including tulpamancer here: https://wiki.tulpa.info/wiki/Glossary

 

Tulpa.info has had a psychological view on tulpas since it was created in 2012.

[tania]

The main site has a psychological explanation for what a tulpa is here: tulpa.info

There is also a glossary on various terms including tulpamancer here: https://wiki.tulpa.info/wiki/Glossary

 

Tulpa.info has had a psychological view on tulpas since it was created in 2012.

 

thanks from that glossary

 

"Creator, Tulpamancer

 

The individual who has created and is responsible for the tulpas. " https://wiki.tulpa.info/wiki/Glossary

 

or

 

"A Tulpamancer is a term used in the tulpa community to refer to the individual who engages in the practice of creating Tulpas, known as Tulpamancy. "  https://wiki.tulpa.info/wiki/Tulpamancer

 

 

That's actually what I believe and thou Tulpa.info has a psychological view, it has used that term for all which do tulpas. Those who make tulpas for metaphysical reasons or other reasons are still tulpamancers (I was not asking what a tulpa was) and do tulpamancy.

 

Hopefully that will clear this up to some here (they may be newer terms but they apply to those who have the metaphysical views).

[Ember.Vesper]

Would it be possible to use some of these tulpa-creating techniques to create characters or imaginary friends that feel very real, but aren’t sentient?

 

Ember: If you want character friends to talk to, just keep writing. Ninety-two percent of authors, published or not, who work steadily for five years experience at least one of their characters demonstrating independent agency, as shown in this article:

 

Illusion of Independent Agency: Do Adult Fiction Writers Experience Their Characters as Having Minds of Their Own?

 

Not all of the independent agency studied for the article is as extreme as what we have in this community, but many, many famous authors have lived daily with their most compelling characters for decades. There are no guarantees on a lack of sapience or consciousness, but your odds are better than if you study material here and put it into practice.

 

Personally, I engage in tabletop roleplaying games more often than fiction writing. It has a similar effect.

 

I'm wondering what the definition of tulpamancy is as I thought it was anyone who makes tulpas and does the whole tulpa stuff... but someone has told me different and said it has to do with making one for psychological reasons.

 

Vesper: I may not have expressed myself clearly. The term was created by this specific community to mean any person who creates any tulpa -- though arguably only such beings who qualify as tulpas by local definitions, rather than everything anyone has called a tulpa. However, spiritual and esoteric communities that have used the term tulpa for much longer would have no reason to pick up the term 'tulpamancer' from us, unless they join us here, which by and large they have not. So it is convenient for me to distinguish between those who make tulpas and call themselves tulpamancers (the tulpamancy community) and those who make tulpas and do not call themselves tulpamancers (not the tulpamancy community). These two groups, on average, differ significantly not only in demographics, but in their beliefs, intentions, and expectations about tulpas, making the distiction valuable. I never said that those who make tulpas with spiritual intent shouldn't call themselves tulpamancers.

 

Over the course of time, the term 'tulpamancer' may catch on more broadly and infiltrate more communities, due to our extreme openness on the internet, and the many articles, both popular and scientific, being published about our community. Maybe students of Tibetan Buddhism will start asking their lamas about the cool stuff they found on the internet and incorporating it into their daily practice. I am not working under the assumption that this has already happened on a large scale, but information on the subject is extremely sparse.

 

Our system actually uses 'tulpamancer' to mean 'one who practises tulpamancy', 'tulpamancy' then being defined as 'the mental disciplines and techniques that have generally been taught on tulpa.info, tulpa.io, and r/tulpa'. So by our non-standard in-system usage, all three of us are tulpamancers because we practice techniques that we learned here. By the glossary definition, none of us are tulpamancers, because there are not and never have been any tulpas in our system.

[tania]

I've decided to check out some guides for imposition as I thought maybe something could help me achieve more consistantly or faster (but I are not at all interested so much in the visual imposition) and are wanting to know what the best one which isn't visual is?  I started reading one but didn't get much the way through it before finding major errors and issues which would work against someone trying to do this.

[Jamie]

Q2's huggable tulpa guide is my favorite. The best thing to do is read as many guides as you can get your hands on, read other people's experiences, and then concoct your own personal way. Good luck. 

 

My system has pretty good tactile imposition but it came so naturally given our tactile hypersensitivity, I dunno if I could really write a decent guide on it. Might want to Google the Rubber Arm effect though. -J