Reason for Creating a Tulpa

[GGMethos]

I made Raina for companionship mainly. But also because I was incredibly intrigued with the idea of a tulpa. We ended up falling in love together, and now she's more of a companion than anyone has ever been to me before.

 

Ali was a result of Raina convincing me to create another tulpa.

[Flexionsensor]

 

Unless you are having the tulpa help you with math homework/whatever, I do not see any way a tulpa can boost intelligence. Put tulpae this way: You shred a part of your mind and use it for the tulpa. Of course, the tulpa is a part of your brain, so it has the same or lower intelligence of the host, unless I am missing something.

 

It's the subconscious. That's the most believed area that tulpae reside. Since you don't use this area when thinking, it is a wonderland of happiness and logic which I would LOVE to get my hands on, but this is the only way... Friends with benefits... In a different way.

[Sands]

It's the subconscious.

 

This word that keeps thrown around so much it has lost all its meaning.

 

That's the most believed area that tulpae reside.

 

Don't know who exactly believes that, but then again, they only believe that. Some believe tuppers are nothing but characters you roleplay as. Believing in something doesn't make it true.

 

Since you don't use this area when thinking

 

Who even really knows anything about subconscious? Who knows if it really is there or if it is a thing people believe it is? There's theories and guesses, but who can really say what it is? Kinda like tuppers, eh?

 

You don't magically become smarter by getting a tupper. Your memory isn't perfect and I don't just mean you being unable to recall things. Memories are easy to manipulate and if you don't pay enough attention to something, it will be missing from your memories and perhaps replaced by something else. Even if a tupper had a "perfect" memory in the way that they could remember everything that is in that head of yours, those memories probably aren't completely true. You should reseach this shit more, it's really interesting and kind of creepy.

 

I'd like you to show me these hosts who suddenly became geniuses when they got a tupper. If that's a thing, there should be tons of those as there's tons of hosts, some who have had tuppers for years, right?

[Flexionsensor]

I don't know who doesn't believe that tulpae come from the subconscious mind, just read the research section, but yes, the whole meaning is offset. Although, there is a basis in science of the existence of the subconscious, it is what runs your bodily functions such as your heart. It is also believed to be a repository for memories, and can supposedly store up to 2.5 petabytes in information.

And remember, logic is a form of mathematics. I've heard almost all tulpaforcers swear by the mathematical prowess of their tulpae.

I'm not going on any large basis here, but I figure if they're really that good at math, then they should be able to put two and two together easily.

I don't know any host who claims to have the bond between a tulpa and himself enough so that they collaborate in an argument or during homework, but I think it's possible.

I do not mean that your intellect is increased, I mean that the tulpa could work with you to such a degree that an outside observer would consider you to be much smarter than before.

[Sands]

I don't know who doesn't believe that tulpae come from the subconscious mind

 

I'm not believing in anything because I can't say if they do come from there or don't. You could technically count me in as someone who doesn't believe they come from there. If they come from there, then what if we do too? Who knows? No one does. As for the rest of what you said, [citation needed]. Let's even look at what our favorite [citation needed] place says about subconscious.

 

The term subconscious is used in many different contexts and has no single or precise definition. This greatly limits its significance as a definition-bearing concept, and in consequence the word tends to be avoided in academic and scientific settings.

 

Nice.

 

I do not mean that your intellect is increased, I mean that the tulpa could work with you to such a degree that an outside observer would consider you to be much smarter than before.

 

Woah, woah, hold on a minute.

 

the vast intellectual gain included with tulpae.

 

Excuse me?

[Flexionsensor]

I was referring to the collaboration, as I said before. I know what I mean, even if I need to rephrase it.

And if you go back on wikipedia, just click on the "unconscious mind" link there's your citation if you trust wikipedia. I mean, you don't constantly have to tell your heart to "beat. Beat. Beat," so there must be some process there that guides that.

[Sands]

If you don't mean vast intellectual gain then don't say vast intellectual gain. Same with the subconscious, if you don't mean subconscious, don't say subconscious. You're writing to others, no one is going to understand you if you explain things poorly or in a completely wrong way. It's not good enough if you know what you mean if you can't tell it to others when you want to.

 

Unconscious mind also hasn't exactly been proven and really, how would you even prove something like it. There's those who swear by it and those who say why they don't believe such thing even exists. And even with those who think there is an unconscious mind, they have different ideas as to what it is. Unconscious and subconscious mean completely different things to people. Again, no one knows what it exactly is. Maybe there is something like it, but everyone is wrong about what it does or something. I don't understand why people throw around words that have so many meanings and/or are impossible to prove they even exist, yet use them like everyone understands exactly what their version of that word means even though it is something no one really knows about. It's fine and dandy to make your own theories, but if you think your theories are correct in every way and cite them as a fact when you haven't actually done a thing to test them and prove them, there's something wrong with you.

 

As for the Wikipedia article of unconscious mind, are we reading different articles? I don't see it saying what you said.

[Flexionsensor]

It says that it governs parts of the body we do not control. Also, subconscious MEANS below consciousness, and unconscious means not conscious. They're nearly interchangable, and since the former has little to no meaning, kindly assume the latter. The thing is, there are processes that have to be governed by an unconscious medium, lest someone having to constantly remind their heart to beat and their stomach to churn.

I say vast intellectual gain from the viewpoint of an outside observer as well.

But still, people throw around terms that cannot be proven even if they're absolute geniuses. Stephen Hawking swears by 11 dimensions, but you can't PROVE that, it's just a hypothesis that's been thought out by math. Thus, theoretical science is not provable and is philosophy. However, you CAN eventually prove a subconscious mind by gazing at brain activity and mapping the processes.

It's all based upon the person's point of view.

[Sands]

CAPS LOCK does not MEAN your POINT comes across any BETTER, you KNOW.

 

Subconscious and unconscious are not the same thing. Just because people try to use a word to mean something else because they don't realize they're using it wrong doesn't mean the word suddenly changes meaning to the rest of the world. The word has yet to change its meaning, you're going to have to wait longer for the language to change enough so the definition for them changes too. Both subconscious and unconscious can be said to mean something that, you know, actually means something and has a reason or some complete bullshit, so neither is that much better than the other as a term.

 

If a vast intellectual gain is something that's a given with tuppers, I hope you can show me the people who show that because as far as I know or have noticed, we don't have any super smart people here with or without tuppers. No one has turned into a superhuman, yet you make it sound like it's a given. In fact, that is exactly what you said what with the "vast intellectual gain included with tulpae". Latin plurals with Tibetan words make me angry by the way.

 

Just because you're a genius and you believe in something doesn't mean it is true any more than just believing in something and it somehow being true just because of that, genius or not. You can again believe in it all you want, but trying to make everyone believe it even though you could possibly be wrong? That is retarded. If proving this "subconscious" mind is so easy, then I guess all we have to do is wait a bit and it will be proven, huh! But before that, don't go using it like we actually know what it is and what its purpose is. Assuming is stupid and that's not how we go forward, we go forward by poking things with sticks to see how they work.

[Flexionsensor]

Ok, now you're just dodging what I'm saying. I use caps lock for emphasis because I'm too lazy to use bold, but that's irrelevant. Another irrelevant thing I'd like to say before getting into this is that I say tulpae because that is what I was told on introduction to this forum and I don't know the plural for tulpa in tibetan language stuff.

I've said this multiple times, but making tulpae hasn't been shown to decrease your intellect, so you've got another person in your head who can formulate an opinion of his/her/its own and is said to be way better than math than a regular person is, so there's your gain.

That whole "poking things with sticks" thing is exactly what we're doing, but even though the subconscious/unconscious depending on how sophisticated you are mind may or may not exist, theories do, just like with physics, and it's the best shot we've got. Tell me, can Stephen Hawking prove that the 4th dimension is spacetime? Or can he prove that spacetime exists? No, he can't. Yet his opinion is incredibly respected, and so is the opinion of many, many psychologists who are educated on the matter, unlike you and me.

So why are we arguing?