Reason for Creating a Tulpa

[Sands]

Ok, now you're just dodging what I'm saying. I use caps lock for emphasis because I'm too lazy to use bold, but that's irrelevant.

 

Emphasis isn't needed, have some faith in your reader. Don't treat them like they are morons, there's a lot more you have to change in your writing style so others understand it easier than adding emphasis. Also I am not here to debate about whether or not there is an unconscious or subconscious mind because it cannot be proven, so I'm not picking a side. You however are putting so much faith in that there is one and it somehow is very connected to tuppers and makes them somewhat very good at what you want them to be good at, and if that is not the case, you will be disappointed.

 

Another irrelevant thing I'd like to say before getting into this is that I say tulpae because that is what I was told on introduction to this forum and I don't know the plural for tulpa in tibetan language stuff.

 

We're speaking English. No word from any language has ever taken a plural from a completely unrelated language unless it's English. I guess you can sort of count octopi though as that's a Greek word with a Latin plural, but it is incorrect. Even octopuses is better than octopi, but if you want to slap a Greek plural on that, use octopodes. Lama is a Tibetan loandword, even ends in -a to make this simpler. Is the plural lamae? It isn't. Can't blame you or the octopi people for using stupid plurals when they are told to use them, but the -ae plural is there just to make them seem smart and anyone who knows anything about languages to feel really mad at the internet.

 

I've said this multiple times, but making tulpae hasn't been shown to decrease your intellect, so you've got another person in your head who can formulate an opinion of his/her/its own and is said to be way better than math than a regular person is, so there's your gain.

 

You have never said that. You are correct though, it hasn't been shown to do that. You have to realize though that some tuppers have a hard time to even think without the host's help. Will most likely get better with time, but that can happen. Said to be better at math than a "regular" person, even? Never heard that one either, sounds like bullshit. They're working off of what you know or at least what's in that head of yours. They can't suddenly become math geniuses who know everything if you don't know math or if you have forgotten most of what you have learned due to not using them.

 

Math is a skill that has to be learned. If you already are good at it, then your tupper has plenty of skills they can use to their advantage already. But that skill doesn't just suddenly poof into existance if you yourself are lacking something. If you're not good at math, it has to be studied, either together and alone, host or tupper. If you do it together or share your knowledge as best as you can then you both will most likely learn, but if something was remembered wrong? Oh boy, you will be wrong then. Your brain doesn't seem to record everything perfectly, it is easily manipulated and things just get left out, tuppers aren't perfect themselves either, not to mention they are pretty much like people. They aren't your slaves and they have their own likes and dislikes as well as skills and things they just aren't good at. What if math is one of the things they just aren't good at or they dislike the idea of being your walking cheat sheet?

 

I once asked Roswell if he wanted to learn math. Now, I'm not good at math, so I figured maybe he wanted to learn something despite that. His answer? No, math is boring. Sure sounds like a sucker for math already, huh? Certainly was an odd response and believe me, I never forced traits like "hates math" or "thinks math is boring" or "is stupid" or something. Shit just happens and the end result isn't what you forced, basically. However, he apparently likes numbers and has memorized things I haven't. I have no idea what 3x4 would be before I actually count it, but Roswell can tell me that it is in fact 12, which it apparently is as I just counted it myself to be sure. But add in more numbers or ask him things he hasn't memorized and he'll have to actually count them and doesn't exactly seem like he's super fast at it, either. In that case it doesn't really matter which one of us is doing the counting.

 

That whole "poking things with sticks" thing is exactly what we're doing, but even though the subconscious/unconscious depending on how sophisticated you are mind may or may not exist, theories do, just like with physics, and it's the best shot we've got.

 

You're not poking things with a stick, you're just believing. Also are you still calling them both the same thing again?

 

Tell me, can Stephen Hawking prove that the 4th dimension is spacetime? Or can he prove that spacetime exists? No, he can't. Yet his opinion is incredibly respected, and so is the opinion of many, many psychologists who are educated on the matter, unlike you and me.

 

His opinion is respected because opinions tend to be respected. It does mean someone can tell him their opinion and he has to respect that too. If he chose to believe in god, well, that would probably be a big thing to some, but it is just an opinion. If it helps him then well, good for him. It is still just his opinion, he has no proof if there is or isn't god, it doesn't mean god exists or doesn't exist. It's his opinion and it doesn't mean it is true.

 

So why are we arguing?

 

I didn't know stating one's opinion is arguing.

[Flexionsensor]

I have said the whole "another mind in your head helps you out" thing before, you didn't acknowledge it though. Let's take a walk around the forum for a bit, though.

They can recall entire books you've read, spit out the lines to all 6 star wars movies, and reiterate entire conversations. -FAQ_Man-

There is no doubt that some memory is lost or distorted in your mind, but according to God back there, they can recall a lot.

The sentience is basically a product of your unconscious mind

Also FAQ_Man.

Now, you can argue that he's just saying what he believes, but there's a lot of people who use his method and believe his explanations. I do, because it makes sense to me.

The math has been stated a lot.

Luna comes up with the answer to simple math problems before I ever start solving them >_>

That was Glitchthe3rd if you didn't know, but that's not proof enough, is it?

I'll just take this into practical terms. If a tulpa remembers almost perfectly, then he/she/it would recall answers to problems you've done before. Not to mention that more recent memories would be a lot more easily recalled, so learning a language would be simpler, because he/she/it would remember it, so proxy a test.

Finally, each human being has a skill at logic. We invented math, so we must be good at it. Now, each person is as good at it as he is intelligent, but math is built into the human brain.

And now a new study suggests that even without mathematical training, the human brain may have certain intuitions about geometry, concepts that we don't learn but may be born primed to understand. We maybe have this hard-wired, right, into our brains.The study showed that Amazonian villagers with no formal math training seemed to understand these geometric concepts as well as we do, as well as we folks who go to school and study mathematics.

So a tulpa who is almost undisturbed by outside stimulus should realistically be able to calculate pretty darn fast.

 

But really:

Argue: Give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view.

This is pointless though. Those were my reasons, and as far as I'm concerned, they're pretty accurate.

[Sands]

I have said the whole "another mind in your head helps you out" thing before, you didn't acknowledge it though. Let's take a walk around the forum for a bit, though.

 

Hold on, what you said was "I've said this multiple times, but making tulpae hasn't been shown to decrease your intellect". That you have never said before. Again, your sentences are all over the place and you think we know exactly what you are trying to say when you say it in the weirdest way. I read that sentence and I see: I have said this many times -> tuppers don't decrease your intellect. You have never said that before so you are wrong. If you had followed the "I've said this multiple times" part with the "you've got another person in your head who can formulate an opinion of his/her/its own and is said to be way better than math than a regular person is, so there's your gain", it would have made more sense. But again, you're still not exactly showing me where "is said to be way better than math than a regular person is" comes from.

 

There is no doubt that some memory is lost or distorted in your mind, but according to God back there, they can recall a lot.

 

Now, you can argue that he's just saying what he believes, but there's a lot of people who use his method and believe his explanations. I do, because it makes sense to me.

 

Yes, I believe he is exactly only saying what he believes. I do not think he has ever shown what he has said the tuppers can do, they might only be theories on his part. We can't really ask him as he's not around anymore. Also, you are calling an old war veteran who is unfortunately pretty crazy, killed his own tuppers because he felt he was too old for imaginary friends and has felt that his ways are outdated and left the community because he thinks he can bring nothing new to it as "god"? The same person other people have critized for his silly method with hour counts that most likely have made forcing a lot harder for many people? Don't get me wrong, a lot of his problems aren't exactly his fault and he's not an awful person and he has done a lot of good for this community, but he is not a god in any way.

 

Math and Glitch

 

You say it has been said a lot but funnily enough, I can only ever remember Glitch and his tuppers talking about math, so their quote doesn't exactly make it seem like it is a thing that happens. Glitch also is a pretty special case and there has been talk that what's going on with him might not happen to the rest of us, what with the "servitor wars" and other weird mind fuck-uppery that is and has been going on with him. You might want to look more into how Luna helps him with his autism, that was more interesting.

 

Again, do note how they said simple. I too gave you an example from what I have experienced with the tuppers when it came to simple math questions and them giving out the answer easily. Now, if you are very good at math, what is simple to you is tricky to someone else, so a tupper might have a chance at solving some of the trickier ones really fast. But no one is going to be amazed if you can say 8x7 is 56 without working on counting it. That is not a vast intellectual gain you are claiming tuppers will give you. Seriously, if this is a given, why doesn't everyone else report it?

 

Tupper memory, more math

 

Tuppers don't have a perfect memory, that is the thing. There are things Roswell remembers that I don't, yeah, sure. Some things only have happened to him and I have no idea they have happened. He's far from perfect and he forgets. If you lurked more, you would see more people saying and theorizing that their memory is far from perfect, as a totally perfect memory is pretty much impossible. Our brain is pretty perfect, but not perfect. A tupper still has to work with the limitations, just like you.

 

Also, there are humans who can't count. It doesn't mean they are stupid. Wouldn't do well in math tests, but if they can survive on their own and have experienced many things in their lives, you can bet they're not the stupidest of the bunch.

[Flexionsensor]

I didn't say they had exactly perfect memory, I just said that they have more accessible memory, according to FAQ_Man.

[Sands]

I didn't say they had exactly perfect memory, I just said that they have more accessible memory, according to FAQ_Man.

 

There is someone here who says their tuppers can travel in time and access some whatevertheshit records. They've yet to prove their claim even though it would be pretty easy to do. You know, time travelling.

 

FAQ man also said this, which you quoted already:

 

They can recall entire books you've read' date=' spit out the lines to all 6 star wars movies, and reiterate entire conversations.[/quote']

 

That would be very easy to prove. Would make you pretty fucking famous actually. And rich. There's not really a reason to not to prove it to everyone if you can do it. So, he just thought that is possible or should be possible, but hasn't actually done it. He is making his theories sound like it is the fact and you bought it all without really looking for proof.

 

As far as I know, Faq has never proven his claims. I could be wrong.

[Flexionsensor]

I have heard that his now-deceased tulpae (hehe) used to have great memory...

I'm not into metaphysical tulpa thingies, though time-traveling, telikinetic tulpae (hehe) would be very... well, awesome to have. Seriously, super hero time, anyone?

Now there is a disease which allows you to remember basically everything; it's called hyperthymesia. This woman named Jill Price could tell you random information from her life, as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxsMMV538U.

This is just an interesting tidbit I heard of. I don't know if this is the extent of a tulpa's memories, ask your tulpa if he can remember that far back, it would be interesting to see if they can do that as well as this woman can.

[Z-Byte]

A muse and consult for the stories that I write, a second opinion of my actions to keep me from doing something for the wrong reasons, someone to talk to on those long drives where I'm alone, and someone to keep me company and in good spirits when things get particularly stressful for me.

[Sands]

I have heard that his now-deceased tulpae (hehe) used to have great memory...

I'm not into metaphysical tulpa thingies, though time-traveling, telikinetic tulpae (hehe) would be very... well, awesome to have. Seriously, super hero time, anyone?

Now there is a disease which allows you to remember basically everything; it's called hyperthymesia. This woman named Jill Price could tell you random information from her life, as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxsMMV538U.

This is just an interesting tidbit I heard of. I don't know if this is the extent of a tulpa's memories, ask your tulpa if he can remember that far back, it would be interesting to see if they can do that as well as this woman can.

 

His tulpas might have had a great memory, but compared to whom is the question. I have never seen him actually recite those books they should be able to remember and hell, if he could do that, again, he would be a famous man as would be his tuppers.

 

Some people do remember a lot, yeah. Too much, even. But there is one thing for you to consider. Jill Price ain't the only person with hyperthymesia, but their cases are similar. They remember their lives perfectly, what they did on every day, what they watched and wore and so on and so on. But what about math? These people are never asked to memorize strings of numbers, because that's not how their memory works, apparently. There are different kinds of people who don't have a memory quite like them where they can remember their lives like that, but they can memorize things easily and perfectly. That is different. There also was that one autistic guy who could look at a city and draw it perfectly from memory.

 

But there is no person who can do all of that. Their memories work differently. Now, if you had a person who had a "perfect" memory about their lives, a more "emotional memory" perhaps as well as a "logical memory" for numbers and memorization as such, and a photographic memory for images... That would be pretty insane. But there is no one like that and usually in their case, something in their brain is just different. Your tulpa again has to use your brain. Maybe they can unlock some sort of hidden potential, but if you're not already like these people, a tupper doesn't suddenly change your brain into like theirs.

 

As for your last sentence, I don't quite understand it. Ask that far back? What is this that far back, years and years from now when he didn't even exist? When he was young? There certainly are things for Roswell that stood out for him and not for me, things that were important to him and that's why he remembers them.

[Flexionsensor]

I dunno. But when I said "remember that far back," I meant relatively. To you, like maybe when you were around 4 years old or something. Even if it's not that accurate, from what people say, tulpae can remember a lot, and that intrigues me...

Remember, this site is FOR SCIENCE!

[Sands]

I dunno. But when I said "remember that far back," I meant relatively. To you, like maybe when you were around 4 years old or something. Even if it's not that accurate, from what people say, tulpae can remember a lot, and that intrigues me...

Remember, this site is FOR SCIENCE!

 

Yeah no, I'm surprised if I can remember what I ate yesterday as my past isn't very important to me. Some important or exciting/somehow special things stand out, but yeah, for the most part, don't exactly have memories that far back. Funny how some dreams have stayed with me in my memories for years, though. As for Roswell, his life seems to be more important to him so he remembers some useless details. Impossible to check if they are actually real memories as there's no one else to remember many of these things.

 

Also my confusion over what you said came from you referring to a "that far back" but you never had stated what this "that" you were talking about was, so you end up being pretty confusing. Work on that, okay? Will be easier for all of us.

 

For science doesn't mean believe everything and everyone blindly. Skepticism is a useful skill and that's where the science comes.