Chat Thread

[Lucilyn]

It just sounds like you say "My visualization is as good as lucid dreaming", and then say "during hypnagogia my visualization is like 75% of a lucid dream"? well, either way, our visualization is.. not so great, try and imagine not being able to imagine a steady picture in more than 240p stretched over your whole perspective

 

then compare waking life except you're not nearsighted and everything is awesome

[Ranger]

Cat's visualization seems to be on and off. Sometimes she can get a good anime pic visualized and most of the realistic looking images are not even in HD on a good day.

 

Cat is near sighted, but visualizations in the wonderland are akin to as if she was wearing glasses.

[Guest]

Lucilyn, i meant if you integrated over time, and normalized to a lucid dream of finite length of 1 minute or longer.

 

Take that number and compare to these states/it's maximum value

 

Reality: 1.0/1.0

Lucid Dream: 1.0/1.2

Dream: .9/1.1

Hypnagogic state at its best: 1.0/1.2

Hypnagogic state normally: .8/1.2

Hypnagogic enhanced visualization: .7/1.2

Normal visualization: .5/1.2

Reading a book at its best: .5/.7

Watching a great movie in the theater: .5/.7

 

What this means is, yes, i can have visualization for brief moments as good as a lucid dream, but i can do this any time and repeatedly, at will.

 

Lucid dream, dream, hypnagogic states are all difficult to achieve or rare, and generally can't be done on demand as you know.

 

So by concentrating on something i can do on demand, i have eliminated gaps of time where i would otherwise be bored, though i wouldn't say i'm obsessed over it, and it has taken many years of effort to get to this level, and concentrated effort in the last 8 months has been improving the ability further.

 

Awe, love, pleasure, realistic taste, joy, beautiful sounds, wonderful smells are all enhanced by dream-like states, but are achievable to some degree by inward on demand imposition of these. Plus the memories of these can be as good as reality or lucid dreams, so when you think back on it, you feel as fulfilled.

[Lucilyn]

Reality: 1.0 (like .6 in 2009-2012)

Lucid Dream: .9 - 1.2 (stabilized)

Dreams: .4 - .8

Hypnagogic.. doesn't happen, we wake up instantly, no hypnopompic either

Visualization: .2 - .3

Reading a book (we're good at this): idk at the time, like .5 - .7 maybe? but our memories of books are literally the same as movies, we've been unsure on whether we watched a movie or just read the book before

 

Oh and Imposition!: .3 - .4, not good at all but better than our visualization sometimes, we do it kind of a lot compared to visualizing

[Guest]

So now you know why we've chosen inward visualization and imposition in wonderland. Nothing else about tulpamancy excites us more than those few moments and short spans of rare visual perfection and hypnagogic states. Therefore there's no reason for us to spend any effort to achieve better chances at lucid dreams, external imposition, or any other alternative configurations or useage of the body.

[Lucilyn]

what is "inward imposition"? that's an oxymoron?

[Breloomancer]

For me it goes:

 

Reality: 1.0 (of course)

Unstablised dream: 0.75

Stablised dream: 1.1

Visualisation normally: 0.65

Visualisation after meditation: 0.7

Hypnosis aided visualisation: 0.9

Reading a book: 0.5-7 (depending on how good a book it is)

Ganzfeild: 1.1

Imposition: 0.9-1.1 (depending on how much I have to split my attention)

 

The thing about my visualisation is that the image looks good, but it isn't particularly immersive. I also am quite certain that Bear has better visualisation than me, though if one were to just look at this then it would like like I had better visualisation, so take this with a grain of salt

[Guest]

I'm not convinced that my visualization is better if your imposition is so good, since those skills are somewhat related. I'm not going for imposition externally, but if my visualization was so much better, my imposition would be legendary then? Idk, but maybe i do just appreciate or enjoy what i have more? I'll take your word for it.

[Lucilyn]

what is "inward imposition"? that's an oxymoron?

 

????

[Breloomancer]

This stuff is difficult to measure, and imposition is only partially related to visualisation, so being good at one only partially helps with being good at the other. I from my perspective I it sounds like you are better than me