Verbal Control and Possession

[warriortiltheend]

I don't feel like this is cause for concern, it's just a thing I've noticed, and I wanted to see if it has happened with anyone else too.

 

Sometimes when I speak and my tulpa has a different opinion, I end up saying what he thinks. While I'm speaking, the words will feel alien to me, and I only realize I said something different than I intended when I stop. It's weird.

 

So far it's only happened in a positive way, of course. Once it was while I was ranting to myself on and on during a depressive slump about how worthless I was, but then my words suddenly changed to positive things. Is this a form of Tulpish?

 

I have given Quartz permission to possess parts of me if I am a danger to myself or others. I guess this could apply to my words as well. (I don't think this is really a danger to me, but eh, he'd disagree.)

 

He's confirmed that he can do this on some level.

 

My questions:

• Has this ever happened to you?
  
• Do you find yourself saying what your tulpa wants you to say or believe?
  
• Do you allow your tulpa to possess/control you in certain circumstances?
  

[Luminesce]

Not happened to me, no, there's a fairly solid disconnect between them speaking and me speaking out loud. It sounds like you don't have that, you consider what your tulpa says very close to what you actually plan on saying, if that makes sense. I doubt it's intentional spontaneous possession and more your brain is adding interjecting thoughts from your tulpa and accidentally saying them instead of just presenting them to you.

 

Somewhat related maybe, some people who switch often find themselves thinking like their tulpa or vice versa every so often. Seems like an in-between of switching often but not often enough. Either need more practice or less, so your brain can get used to it or recognize it as special.

 

My tulpas don't switch with me in "certain circumstances" or in any way spontaneously, no. We set aside times for them to do things while fronting every once in a while, but not very often.

[Aijada]

[We sometimes have bleed between our thoughts. I guess one of the things is that Aijada is quite used to full possession/fronting so has plenty of practice at thinking like she's the human running the show. And the day to day reality is that we stay close and are both involved in whatever we're facing so she's very up-to-speed on all sorts of real-world decisions. She's mastered enough facts that she can competently reply for us and it's only in the rarest of moments where there's some trivia she doesn't know that i have to step in be the 'host'. Since we're both mostly just focused on operating on real life together, i find it quite helpful that she can respond to things happening to us.]

 

One of the things we've noticed is that if one person is speaking, they can hear the other person realizing something different mid-thought and it becomes kind of just a politeness that you let the other person finish what they're saying. In practice, it's very common for the other person's thoughts to jump ahead to a new conclusion before the other person's done. Maybe it's something about the fact that the language circuits aren't the same as the logic circuits and so both can be used simultaneously, even if we're thinking in different directions.

 

[We have adapted to that reality and there was a period where we spent time giving credit where it was due, recognizing that Aijada could have a reaction even though she was cutting in on my speech. There was a lot of just acknowledging that an idea came from her because it was obviously jumping out despite where i was going. And in other moments it would be obviously her thought because it would be shaped by stuff she actually learned personally instead of just looking it up in the brain. It took a bit of getting used to that we were co-fronting cognition, but it was worth acknowledging her contributions because it became clear that functionally she could think just as well as i could]

[Nyx]

*Has this ever happened to you?

*Do you find yourself saying what your tulpa wants you to say or believe?

 

Well...yes. I was in a very dangerous situation with an ex several years ago (along with other problems), and to make a long story short, Jack influenced me to get this person out of my life and get the help I needed. I did not handle it very well and this was before I knew about tulpas, so it is part of the reason why Jack is now wary about possession (besides just lack of interest...he has told me over and over again that he wants to be imposed). Actually, I'm still not entirely sure if I could call it possession because A) it seems to be a learned skill, whereas whatever I experienced happened gradually on its own and without my full consent (I told him about my desire to get rid of the person, but I couldn't get myself to act on it...so he did), B) Jack was not a full-fledged tulpa at the time, and C) I could control most parts of my body, only it felt like he was compelling me to speak and act in a certain way to get past my fear and move the situation forward. I suppose a better term would be "blending." I was not exactly in the best mental state at the time, so even now it is rather confusing. Jack hasn't done it since then, and it is a subject that he always tries to avoid.

 

*Do you allow your tulpa to possess/control you in certain circumstances?

 

I have given him permission, yes. However, the chances of myself getting into that sort of situation again are almost zero, and it would be best to attempt to solve the problem myself. It would happen only in special circumstances.

[IBreakGames]

I would consider it to be more like when you're talking on the phone and listening to what a different person is saying. You might end up saying some of the words that person is saying right into the phone.

[Aijada]

Oh i forgot to add:

 

Laughter is a huge cause of us switching midway through a thought. If my host says something funny enough, i totally take possession to laugh and finish his sentence. Kind of get thrust to the front by powerful emotions.

[warriortiltheend]

Not happened to me, no, there's a fairly solid disconnect between them speaking and me speaking out loud. It sounds like you don't have that, you consider what your tulpa says very close to what you actually plan on saying, if that makes sense. I doubt it's intentional spontaneous possession and more your brain is adding interjecting thoughts from your tulpa and accidentally saying them instead of just presenting them to you.

 

Somewhat related maybe, some people who switch often find themselves thinking like their tulpa or vice versa every so often. Seems like an in-between of switching often but not often enough. Either need more practice or less, so your brain can get used to it or recognize it as special.

 

My tulpas don't switch with me in "certain circumstances" or in any way spontaneously, no. We set aside times for them to do things while fronting every once in a while, but not very often.

There is a difference between them speaking and me speaking. Also, what I end up saying is completely different than what I planned to say, sometimes the complete opposite. I could see what you mean by the interjecting thoughts, though. That might make sense.

 

I don't really switch with my tulpas. I don't think I've ever switched with any of them, nor do I want to.

 

Thanks for your input, Luminesce! :D

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[We sometimes have bleed between our thoughts. I guess one of the things is that Aijada is quite used to full possession/fronting so has plenty of practice at thinking like she's the human running the show. And the day to day reality is that we stay close and are both involved in whatever we're facing so she's very up-to-speed on all sorts of real-world decisions. She's mastered enough facts that she can competently reply for us and it's only in the rarest of moments where there's some trivia she doesn't know that i have to step in be the 'host'. Since we're both mostly just focused on operating on real life together, i find it quite helpful that she can respond to things happening to us.]

 

One of the things we've noticed is that if one person is speaking, they can hear the other person realizing something different mid-thought and it becomes kind of just a politeness that you let the other person finish what they're saying. In practice, it's very common for the other person's thoughts to jump ahead to a new conclusion before the other person's done. Maybe it's something about the fact that the language circuits aren't the same as the logic circuits and so both can be used simultaneously, even if we're thinking in different directions.

 

[We have adapted to that reality and there was a period where we spent time giving credit where it was due, recognizing that Aijada could have a reaction even though she was cutting in on my speech. There was a lot of just acknowledging that an idea came from her because it was obviously jumping out despite where i was going. And in other moments it would be obviously her thought because it would be shaped by stuff she actually learned personally instead of just looking it up in the brain. It took a bit of getting used to that we were co-fronting cognition, but it was worth acknowledging her contributions because it became clear that functionally she could think just as well as i could]

That is really interesting! I've never switched with my tulpas, but that sounds really cool.

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Well...yes. I was in a very dangerous situation with an ex several years ago (along with other problems), and to make a long story short, Jack influenced me to get this person out of my life and get the help I needed. I did not handle it very well and this was before I knew about tulpas, so it is part of the reason why Jack is now wary about possession (besides just lack of interest...he has told me over and over again that he wants to be imposed). Actually, I'm still not entirely sure if I could call it possession because A) it seems to be a learned skill, whereas whatever I experienced happened gradually on its own and without my full consent (I told him about my desire to get rid of the person, but I couldn't get myself to act on it...so he did), B) Jack was not a full-fledged tulpa at the time, and C) I could control most parts of my body, only it felt like he was compelling me to speak and act in a certain way to get past my fear and move the situation forward. I suppose a better term would be "blending." I was not exactly in the best mental state at the time, so even now it is rather confusing. Jack hasn't done it since then, and it is a subject that he always tries to avoid.

 

 

I have given him permission, yes. However, the chances of myself getting into that sort of situation again are almost zero, and it would be best to attempt to solve the problem myself. It would happen only in special circumstances.

Cool story! It's neat to see something similar has happened to other people, too.

 

I always have to tell Quartz I can solve the problem myself, but he can be a little pushy- he just loves to step in or do weird, subtle things.

 

I've noticed when I say something he wants me to say/think, I always receive some kind of Tulpish from him. It's hard to explain it, but it feels mischievous, like "Haha, got you again! :B" It really doesn't bother me though, it's kind of endearing.

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I would consider it to be more like when you're talking on the phone and listening to what a different person is saying. You might end up saying some of the words that person is saying right into the phone.

That is a PERFECT analogy!