Living Imagination (A Median Aspect in Tulpa Land)

[Guest Anonymous]

INTIMIDATION TACTICS AND THOUGHT CONTROL

 

I think that it is important for people to understand something.  It isn't disagreement, or stating beliefs  and opinions that Melian and I have  a problem with on this forum. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing.  It is attempts at silencing certain controversial/opposing viewpoints or opinions by using intimidation tactics, thought control and censorship.

 

• Stating that certain words, phrases or statements are dangerous and damaging to tulpas and cause emotional distress.
  
• Labeling a stated opinion as "toxic drama," "attention whoring," "pretentious," or "being a special snowflake"
  
• Being insulted by someone's stated opinions about all tulpas (no one really knows what a tulpa is for sure so...)
  
• Insinuating/stating that a member of this forum "does not belong here" or is "trying to fit in where they don't belong" 
  
• Indirect/subtle digs in the public forum, suggesting that a member is not worthy of notice and should be ignored.  
  
• "Back seat moderation" or stating that a certain member should be banned simply for his or her ideas.  
  
• Name calling, explicit insults
  
• Calling for a public lynching on a forum member instead of approaching moderators and admin in PMs/reports, such as this thread --> The Mistgod Probelm
  
• Stating that certain ideas/opinions are scaring away new people or ruining the forum's reputation or "driving good members away."  It is a public discussion forum is it not?
  

 

The phrase, self delusion comes up. From people who supposedly have tulpas. What the hell? Also, the Mistgod-Meilan neverending barrage of self-doubt. It is seriously battering down my Tulpa's emotional foundation. He doesn't need this [expletive deleted].

 

For the record:  I do not care if any of my written opinions or the things I write about Melian and I cause damage to a tulpa's emotional foundation or causes a tulpa to have an existential crisis.  It is not my job, and it is not Melian's job, to walk on eggshells for people around here.  If your tulpa is having trouble dealing with certain things being written, use the ignore feature or simply leave the forum.  That is incredibly weak and it says something about tulpas to me.  Maybe they are more fragile in the "being real" department than tulpamancers want everyone to think.

 

Those of you thinking that there is some kind of officially accredited, sanctioned, more valid and correct, point of view concerning tulpas and thoughtforms, may want to read this thread by SomethingDire Drawing lines without solid research or documentation.

[tulpa001]

This is so confusing. Clearly, we screwed up that apology pretty badly. Badly enough that it feels like I need to apologise for the apology. But actually, your antagonism is helping me feel better about myself.

 

We are at war. A war of beliefs. The winner is the one to get the other convert to the other side. In any war, a process of justification and a parallel process of dehumanisation goes on. Watch:

 

"Insinuating/stating that a member of this forum 'does not belong here'"

"If your tulpa is having trouble dealing with certain things being written, use the ignore feature or simply leave the forum."

 

There is a little bit more of that, but that is the only direct contradiction. Honestly, I was feeling rather uncomfortable about that apology, and you aggressive response makes me feel better. It is deserved and appropriate.

 

But I was not talking about you when I said supposedly have tulpas. I was reading some old threads, with people who do not identify as medians. And by self doubt I don't mean anything other than self doubt. It feels like you doubt yourself and your realness, and her realness. Over and over, all over this forum. Like an internal war of confidence. Do you think the random statements you make about tulpa reality worry me? She was being honest when she said that I am driven by emotion. I am getting a strong empathic response from your internal struggle. It was trashing my mood and making me post stuff I later regret.

 

I, too, think it is not your responsibility to look after my mental health.

 

Time to test your conviction. As you probably know, I dislike the "your mind makes it real" philosophy. Let us look at your comment:

 

"That is incredibly weak and it says something about tulpas to me. Maybe they are more fragile in the 'being real' department than tulpamancers want everyone to think."

 

I am really happy that you think of me as a tulpa. Here is my opinion: There is such a thing as an irrational fear. I have one. But belief does not affect reality. Just as one can think themself the only one in existence. One can also be completely wrong about that. I believe that the majority of the global population is wrong about the majority of things. Name a belief, most people are wrong about it.

 

So, are you going to stand by your position that any opinion stated should not be censored or reacted to negatively?

[Luminesce]

But belief does not affect reality.

 

But you can't perceive reality anyways. Belief affects your subjective reality, the one you experience.

 

Uh, don't mind me, I'm not involved here. It's just a reflex at this point..

[Guest Anonymous]

 

We are at war. A war of beliefs. The winner is the one to get the other convert to the other side. In any war, a process of justification and a parallel process of dehumanisation goes on. ...

 

So, are you going to stand by your position that any opinion stated should not be censored or reacted to negatively?

 

 

 

I do not think anyone should be intimidated into silence about what they believe.  

 

You misunderstand me completely if you think I doubt Melian's existence or significance.  The only thing that was ever doubted was how we fit in with the tulpa community and her status as a tulpa over some other kind of thoughtform.  Unlike many tulpamancers, I have no doubts about Melian's existence and significance in my life what-so-ever.  People often conclude falsely that I am having existential worries about her.  I don't.  I never do.  She has no worries about herself either.  In fact, compared to many tulpas, we are a God damned rock of epic existential self confidence.  

 

I am not concerned about your apology and it doesn't matter to me anymore so you can stop referencing it.  I am not worried about you being insulted by what we have written.  I am over it already.  If you are insulted, you are weak. There is no war between us that one of us is eventually going to win.  That is your fantasy not mine.  Melian and I have already "won" our personal "war" with tulpa info by coming to a very good understanding of this community and of tulpamancers after a year and a half of interacting with it.  

 

There have been dozens of people just like you who have come and gone on this forum telling me how wrong I am and how much our presence bothers them.  Most are just plain gone.  I will be impressed if you are still talking to me after another six months has gone by.  I will be even more impressed when these types of conversations between us are no longer necessary and will seem kind of silly.  

 

Because they are actually kinda silly.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

But you can't perceive reality anyways. Belief affects your subjective reality, the one you experience.

 

Uh, don't mind me, I'm not involved here. It's just a reflex at this point..

 

Eating popcorn as you read this?

[Luminesce]

Just keeping an eye on things, but I really have no idea how to participate in this stuff myself right now.

[Guest Anonymous]

As far as we are concerned, this particular conversation with Tulpa001 is over.  

 

For the record though, we do actually greatly like Tulpa001 and Tulpa, the tulpa.  We do sense a sharp mind and they write well.  So that's nice.

[War]

You are hard to read. I can't tell if you want me to go away or stay.

 

If you want us to leave this thread, we will.

 

Either way, I have no plans to still be here six months from now. In fact, I will be impressed if we stay three months.

 

Also I think I understand now. And I think I did not before. Rest assured, your presence does not bother me. Or him.

[Guest Anonymous]

You are hard to read. I can't tell if you want me to go away or stay.

 

If you want us to leave this thread, we will.

 

Either way, I have no plans to still be here six months from now. In fact, I will be impressed if we stay three months.

 

Also I think I understand now. And I think I did not before. Rest assured, your presence does not bother me. Or him.

 

I am glad our presence on the forum won't bother you anymore.  We really don't want it to.  

 

We are happy to interact with you as long as you aren't freaking out in a personal way about our point of view and stated beliefs about tulpamancy and telling everyone it is causing you existential doubt horror.  That's ridiculous. 

 

You cannot comprehend Melian and I because you cannot comprehend that there is something beyond the real vs. fake paradigm you live within (or seem to).  This "if I found out it was fake, I would be devastated" stuff.  We are totally different from that.  There is no fake.  There is no "finding out it is fake" horror.  There is only imagination.  

 

Imaginary things are not fake, as in trivial or worthless.  They can be lifelong persistent, life changing and profound.  Some would say God is "fake" and a delusion (I am one of them who thinks this likely). Yet God is very profound to many.  I am one of those rare persons who could create an imaginary god and worship it without reservation.  LOL  I live half of my life within an imaginary world. It matters to me and is as significant as things in the real world are.  

 

There are things that exist solely in the mind.  They are imaginary.  Then there are tangible things that exist in the real world.  We also think there is only one human brain for each living human being, and one consciousness associated with each human brain.  Melian does not have a body of her own.  There is no little cutsey blonde with pigtails running around.  There is only one old guy in is fifties, with an overactive imagination.  There is a fantasy person within my mind that I live with.  

 

The effect is very realistic, to the point that Melian seems to be a part of me.  I love Melian.  But she is not real.  I am not offended by that.  I am not worried about it.  I am not scared or afraid.  I won't be devastated by that fact.  I still think of her as a person and as a mind and as my companion.   She feels exactly the same way.  

 

She is a facet of my own mind but ultimately ME.  She is also a person.  She is also Melian.  

 

I (unfortunately for you) feel generally the same way about all tulpas, no matter how independent they seem to be to their hosts.  From my perspective, they look no different from anyone else in the world.  Tulpamancers look just like everyone else and there is very little difference outwardly between Melian and any other vocal tulpa.  

 

Your text on the screen looks a lot like Melian's text on the screen and somewhere there is a human person typing back at me on a keyboard or a phone.  Something imaginary is going on in that situation from my point of view.  I know you don't like it, but that is how I see things and regard the world.  

 

Tulpa, you are not real, neither are you fake.  You are an imaginary being and an imaginary person.  That is my opinion.  I mean it as a complement believe or not, even though you are highly likely to be insulted and bothered by it.

[Luminesce]

Tulpa, you are not real, neither are you fake.  You are an imaginary being and an imaginary person.  That is my opinion.

 

Let me save you a whole lot of time and effort tulpa001, don't bother replying to that. I've explained my point of view enough times that at this point I'd be the broken record for repeating myself. That's just how he's chosen to see tulpas and the like, it works for him, and it's not really worth trying to make him understand exactly how you think about it. Things are relatively peaceful letting them be.