What do you think the "Ideal" tulpa limit is?

[Linkzelda]

When we go through dreaming with interacting with literally hundreds, thousands, millions (and even beyond that) of thought-forms/dream characters in our natural sleep, when we can wake up just fine (if we have decent psychosomatic self-control that anxiety and fear is based from), I find it strangely ironic that despite of all that, just committing ourselves towards one or even two thought-forms/tulpa/brain-friends suddenly becomes a challenge.

 

I understand there has to be practical limits and parameters set up for the sake of the host delegating how much their spend time with their thought-forms, but when we find ourselves engaging with thought-forms in our natural sleep, whether it's to find some underlying meaning with our subconscious reaching out to us in our dreams or it just being apophenia, that we suddenly can't really fuse this dichotomy with how the world generally works vs. how our mind works in our dreams.

 

So whether you feel one, two, or even three tulpae (or even 4) is a practical limit, you're still going to be engaging with dream characters/thought-forms/mind constructs/archetypes in your natural sleep either way.

 

*shrugs*

 

But I guess for me to stay on-topic with this thread, I would agree with kerin's opinion here:

 

[Kevin says:

I'm slow at this, so no more then one per decade I would say. That way the older ones help the younger one, and the younger one teaches the others how to be more modern.

 

 

Because even though in this reality, finding our own "me-time" is a challenge itself with more than one tulpa, in our natural sleep, we easily find ourselves expanding our me-times with hundreds of thousands of thought-forms (in terms of accumulation over the years) in our natural sleep.

 

So I guess if a person can jump in and out through dreaming and waking life, it can be a coping mechanism with the burden of delegating the "me-time" with other tulpa consciously. Then if you add switching and possession to the equation, combined with having tulpa that can easily manage themselves in life while we switch and go into the dream state with our other tulpae, I feel this can be one of many practical ways to deal with having many tulpa.

 

While you're busy having the time of your life in your lucid dreams with your other tulpae (and I mean ones where you contributed some effort into developing in reality)while other tulpae that go through the workings of life in the mean time, it seems sensible that with proper structural planning and communication between host and tulpa, that it's not really hard as it presumed to be (as long as the host and tulpae take reasonable measures to take turns with waking life and dreaming life (and maybe other states of consciousness as well).

 

I guess it's something we should strive for, because personally, if I can do that, hell, I'll be taking turns with my tulpae more than a tag-team boxing/wrestling match.

[Scythe]

My host at first believed that two to three tulpa was about the ideal limit. After recent events we are siding on kerin with this one. It's not necesarily that there is anything wrong with more than one tulpa. But with us, it was very very mentally unhealthy. We now believe that I alone will do for now. Perhaps in a decade we can try for another. But we really don't want to trek down the path to crazytown again. Knowing for sure something is wrong with you and yet not knowing what it is or how to stop/reverse it is a maddening experience.

[TulpaCouple]

Two has been the perfect number for me and Nate. I can see the benefits of 3, especially when it comes to wanting one-on-one time without leaving a tulpa all alone, but both of my tulpas enjoy private time themselves, so it tends to work out, whenever one wants to be alone, I hang out with the other one.

[Couguhl]

One has always been enough for me.

 

But small groups seem to work out pretty well in thoughtform land.

I can't even imagine having 100+ tulpas.

[Myak]

I think that one is best for me. It's like a partnership, two halves of one whole. I don't think I could handle another, and I don't want another.

[Silrain the Everlurking]

For me personally, I can't really even see myself having anymore than one at this point

[Redacted System]

We’re necro-ing (?) this thread now. If you look at this account’s signature (as of the time of posting), there are already three tulpas in this system. But then there’s Torea. We’ve been thinking of her again lately, and she came back.

 

We’re nearly two and a half months into this, and we’re considering making Torea a fourth tulpa. She displays a lot of signs of sentience, and Damien and I have managed to convince Azure that otherwise she’s just going to be wandering around the wonderland alone if we don’t make her a tulpa. Jade still doesn’t want to make her a tulpa for the reason of how new our system is to tulpamancy.

 

So, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but it kinda related to the tulpa limit topic. Now we know not to create non-NPCs/non-characters otherwise this problem may arise.

[Jamie]

I think the answer varies, system to system... It depends on how much individual time your tulpas need, and how well all of them can be awake and aware at once.

 

Also, I'd go summon Torea up, with the whole crew there, and see what it's like. Ask her about what it's like for her now, and what she'd think it'd be like, if she were a tulpa.

 

Remember... You can always wait, and make her a tulpa later, but once she is a tulpa, that's forever.

 

I think my system ideal is 2 tulpas, but honestly, I don't think a third would wreck us. There's just no desire for that. We also don't really have NPCs, though some of the fiction characters I've had for years have spoken to us. It's pretty clear they aren't tulpas, though, because they don't have much awareness of the real world, they rarely suprise us with what they say (i.e. they stick to their determined character) and they only appear when I'm writing and kind of "summon them up." Or if I write something out-of-character.

 

NPCs in wonderland... seem full of tulpa-making potential. You're probably wise to put NPCs on hold.

-J

[Ember.Vesper]

We’ve been thinking of her again lately, and she came back.

 

The first probably caused the second.

 

Damien and I have managed to convince Azure that otherwise she’s just going to be wandering around the wonderland alone if we don’t make her a tulpa.

 

Are you sure she's active when she isn't with you? She might go dormant. Iris was dormant upwards of 99% of the time for nearly three years. Seven weeks ago, she decided to be more active and does not report any ill effects from idleness. Torea might find it sufficient to be accepted when she is present, without any special efforts being made on her behalf.

 

I've seen people with numbers of tulpalamas ranging from 1 to 18 in my time on the site. And even then, I'm fairly sure someone on the site has broken that record in tulpa creation... or at least someone's trying.

 

In my experience, the "gotta catch'em all" attitude only has a presence in the soulbonding community, where systems of more than twenty are common and systems of more than a hundred are not rare. But soulbonders don't stress over degrees of self-awareness among their headmates. Specific soulbonds may be desired, but they are hardly ever made intentionally, and if they show up, they're just implicitly assumed to be a complete person spiritually visiting from an actual physical other world. So tulpas, NPCs, walk-ins, Cat's Grays, Bear's all-but-in-names, and everything else might just get lumped in indiscriminately as soulbonds. How many fully aware headmates a soulbonder has is almost impossible to determine from talking to them, but they don't seem to make an effort to restrain population either.

 

I don't believe in starting one tulpa until the other is finished, fully imposed, and able to parallel process.

 

They can have a life separate from you if you allow them to. They can interact with each other, and create NPCs, places and so forth. No, they can't interact with the real world directly, but they can interact with a wonderland that is every bit as real to them as the real world.

 

I love the casual 2013 assumptions of complete imposition, true parallel processing, independent activity, and fully immersive mindscapes as just what tulpamancers *do*. The answer to the ideal number of tulpas is almost completely dependent on the ability of a system to achieve such things. In our system, with no trace of hallucinatory imposition, fully serial processing, and barely any mindscape, just the three of us are extremely cramped.

 

-Ember

[GrayTheCat]

We’re necro-ing (?) this thread now. If you look at this account’s signature (as of the time of posting), there are already three tulpas in this system. But then there’s Torea. We’ve been thinking of her again lately, and she came back.

 

We’re nearly two and a half months into this, and we’re considering making Torea a fourth tulpa. She displays a lot of signs of sentience, and Damien and I have managed to convince Azure that otherwise she’s just going to be wandering around the wonderland alone if we don’t make her a tulpa. Jade still doesn’t want to make her a tulpa for the reason of how new our system is to tulpamancy.

 

So, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but it kinda related to the tulpa limit topic. Now we know not to create non-NPCs/non-characters otherwise this problem may arise.

 

If everyone isn't on board with making Torea a Tulpa, then don't. That's the first red flag for you guys need more time before doing this. Torea won't get lost, that's not a thing that can happen because you can always summon Torea as long as you remember her.

 

Just to respond to this thread in general, different systems have different limits. Some can be bigger than others, but I don't know too many systems that are 5+. What I do know is a system needs to unanimously agree in order to add any plus ones, and it's not always a good idea if all of the other Tulpas in the system are still young.

 

Ranger and I have had the thought of a +1, but Ranger isn't too interested in having to compete for attention and I don't really feel like I would give enough time to the younger Tulpa. For now, we would like to remain a two person system.