Push for Forced Mental Treatment Scares Tupper Community

[Linkzelda]

Why do you think we have that need?

 

Mostly for acceptance, I guess, if you're referring to me. If a person can let those close to them acknowledge their tulpas, and they reciprocate positively to them, they wouldn't have to hide so much. And it may strengthen whatever bond they have with that individual into something more close-knit because they're not taking advantage of their vulnerability should that person want to report this as a serious mental ailment.

 

But that's the thing, if you're around people that can hold grudges and are spiteful, if there's some kind of conflict between the two, that person you trusted to keep things between you and them may become your worst nightmare. This is why personally, I prefer just making a compromise with my companions, and try to find workarounds with making things less obvious to those we interact with. We can't predict emotional trends of people to perfection, so why take the risk when none of us, and I mean just us, and not people in general, are bothered to be acknowledged by those close to us that much?

[ThatFellowWithTheScarf]

Well, if they took a moment to research what a tulpa was then they would likely tell you it won't cause any sort of dysfunction or danger to society. And they don't. It's not like the tulpae are telling you to do terrible things. If anything my tulpa has improved my mental health.

[rootWoman]

This is a very ridiculous worry to me. I have seen family members with actual mental illness struggle to receive aid. There is no great concern in this country for the people with mental illnesses, and not to the point that they'll pack tulpa hosts and multiple systems up by the van-full and hup them into a mental ward. It's unrealistic.

 

You are safe. Do not worry.

[Linkzelda]

Well, if they took a moment to research what a tulpa was then they would likely tell you it won't cause any sort of dysfunction or danger to society. And they don't. It's not like the tulpae are telling you to do terrible things. If anything my tulpa has improved my mental health.

 

When we compare our good turn of events, it’s easy to imply that it can be applied to everyone else. But it’s just using an imaginary objective point of view to generalize that whatever we, personally or communally, define as a tulpa, and their capabilities, and things they wouldn’t do, and can do. As long as you’re willing to cling onto the concept of them not wanting to cause a mental breakdown to your existence, and you being able to reign in your sense of self, of course we presume they won’t. But that’s based solely on our experiential cases, which causes an influential vehicle for others to believe they will inherently be there by your side.

 

But when we’re talking about people beyond this spectrum of the forum that aren’t used to this, their reactions will vary. Some will take this with an open mind, and there are some may just outright refuse to believe an experience like this can happen. Even if they research into the concept of the tulpa, see the good sides and bad, and come to an understanding of that, it doesn’t mean whatever predispositions that may have hindered them from exploring things would stop. There’s still people I’m seeing that feel like they’re battling with their “subconscious,” or whatever representation of their mind they want to use to describe their struggle.

 

With reactions, and how people assess them, one moment that seems negative, and they end up creating their own doom by focusing too much on it, and can barely see any good that could come out of it. One example are people who couldn’t stand the sight of their tulpas, and felt the need to associate them as demonic, or whatever negative term they could think of, and wished they never did this again simply from a few unfortunate events that could’ve been a symbolic way of their mind portraying the underlying problems in their lives.

 

This seems to happen mostly for people who can’t think beyond the box, or those who live too much into the moment, cling onto the past, and make bad interpretations of it. But of course, this is just a generalization. If you’re coming to terms with your tulpa, I will always respect something like that, but when you say something like:

 

If anything my tulpa has improved my mental health.

 

Imagine for a moment of someone outside this community having to find appeal to the populace, i.e., building assurances based on experiential cases like yours, and they go along trying things out, only to realize they can’t cope with certain things their mind is rendering out to them. Not necessarily the tulpa they may want to create, but rather things we would label as latent conflicts with ourselves (e.g. identity validation, past memories, etc.)

 

People have a way of sublimating their incompetence to persevere, and spreading negative news to others to not do this at all, and things like “this can’t be real, they’re bullshitting.” In other words, those who can’t have some type of cognitive resilience to any struggles they’ll face can be those same people who applied good faith from the communal experiential cases. Of course, this is only focusing on one extreme, but I just wanted to say this for the probability that it’s not easy for people to rely solely on anecdotes and ad hoc claims here.

 

Not saying you don’t know this, maybe you already do, but with how I explored other communities that resent this concept of tulpas, it’s not so much of the concept that bothers them, but rather them probably being envious that people found an alternative way of assessing life, or just dealing with themselves to hopefully come to terms on what to do with their existence. You know, the whole thing with people taking their concept of reality for granted; thinking it’s the right way, and seeing something like this that would be going beyond their current cognitive grasp before researching more into it.

 

And with cases with people who went at this for years, and end up giving up because they feel tulpas can’t help you out with their lives, those that only seek confirmation of negative events, i.e., confirmation bias, will only find their critical nature more accurate of what may happen if they tried this out. And if the mass exodus of older members is apparent to them, they might take that in the wrong way.

 

In other words, they would see the exodus as some indication that those people either quit, took a hiatus, or for those that are overly optimistic…that they’re enjoying their life with their tulpas. They probably wouldn’t see that those who do leave would naturally want to do their own self-searching with their tulpas without the need of other people’s opinions. You’d think that those that were here long enough who left/gave up/rage quit would find some way to integrate time in their lives to this forum, and be able to have whatever life they choose with them as well. But not everyone is like that, and it shouldn't be a surprise to see more of them go along that path. It's the type of thing where you can just forget this community when you finally come to terms with your tulpas, and forge a new path, and there would be nothing wrong, or hypocritical with that.

 

 

TL;DR:

Not trying to be a defeatist, or a party pooper, but as much as I can empathize with you on your tulpa helping you out with your life, even if it’s just the concept of them that helps you reign in your sense of self and mental faculties, there’s just going to be people analyzing things from multiple angles, and realize that whatever people think fits the ontology of a tulpa, i.e., the nature of their existence, is circumstantial, along with them seeing those who probably are seasoned members who gave up, they would easily be skeptical if this is really worth it.

 

Some may take one bad event, and want to see the whole community burn, and end up spreading bad news better than we can give a positive news about. Some may use circumstances like how active the community is and such to make a conclusion on whether or not this has any potential for them bettering their lives; this isn’t objectifying tulpas as tools of course, since I know people will interpret anything with “bettering,” or “improving” as that sadly. There’s a limit to how far anecdotes, applying good faith, and the ad hoc claims here can be an influential force to others. The forum needs more diving into concepts, but with short attention spans, dogmatists who hate big discussions, and internal affairs of the forums that causes meaningless sentiment in the long term, it’s not going to happen.

 

This whole concept of tulpas to me personally, is not that difficult to comprehend if you just go along gradually getting yourself used to thinking a lot, and being self-reflective and all. But people generally wouldn’t like to think more on ideas that may have more mental adversity than they can handle. I’m only saying these things to give another perspective of how people outside this community would assess how they would react, and maybe take part in this, or want to piss on the concept in general.

 

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It may be seem to be a ridiculous worry to some, but when it actually happens to them, then the complete 180 turn in optimism changes.

[KruegerMeister]

When we compare our good turn of events, it’s easy to imply that it can be applied to everyone else. But it’s just using an imaginary objective point of view to generalize that whatever we, personally or communally, define as a tulpa, and their capabilities, and things they wouldn’t do, and can do. As long as you’re willing to cling onto the concept of them not wanting to cause a mental breakdown to your existence, and you being able to reign in your sense of self, of course we presume they won’t. But that’s based solely on our experiential cases, which causes an influential vehicle for others to believe they will inherently be there by your side.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here...? Tulpas are only benign because we think they--

 

[*holds up a hoof* Don't. Finish. That thought.]

 

But when we’re talking about people beyond this spectrum of the forum that aren’t used to this, their reactions will vary. Some will take this with an open mind, and there are some may just outright refuse to believe an experience like this can happen. Even if they research into the concept of the tulpa, see the good sides and bad, and come to an understanding of that, it doesn’t mean whatever predispositions that may have hindered them from exploring things would stop. There’s still people I’m seeing that feel like they’re battling with their “subconscious,” or whatever representation of their mind they want to use to describe their struggle.

I'm starting to think that maybe I shouldn't tell my parents about my tulpas.

 

but with short attention spans, dogmatists who hate big discussions, and internal affairs of the forums that causes meaningless sentiment in the long term

 

I have the gut feeling that one or more of those applies to, or is addressing, me.

[ThatFellowWithTheScarf]

In most cases I've seen when people have bad experiences with tulpas either had a misunderstanding with them or were clearly not in the correct mindset to be doing this in the first place. And of course there's always the ever popular and oh so obvious troll that will go around proclaiming "MY TULPA IS PLOTING TO DESTROY ME AND TAKE OVER AND DO EVIL SHIT!"

[sushi]

Actually, in the US, if you are involuntarily committed, if you have the money and the insurance, you have to pay for it. Once all of your money, assets, and insurance has been exhausted, the bill then goes to Medicaid (government). So yes, you can go broke by someone else getting you committed.

 

Technically true, but a lot of places charge on a sliding scale, which means the less money you have, the less you have to pay. This is good because it makes therapy more available to the people who need it the most -- the 20 - 25% of the homeless with mental illness.

[OCDHost]

At this point I'm confused about how the system works in the US, although I'm getting more and more sure that it just plainly doesn't work at all and that's sad.

 

Of course if the government (or whatever) doesn't even worry about the people that really need the help (schizophrenics, bipolars, suicidals and etc) then the hosts that are US based have basically zero chances of being commited.

[Guest amber5885]

^^ it doesn't work. If you are mentally I'll it's up to you and your insurance (If you can get it) to pay for treatment. If you can't afford treatment, no one cares.

 

I dropped out of school when I was 16 to take care of my schizophrenic mother because we couldn't afford treatment and insurance companies kept denying her. There is a sliding scale for treatment but if you make less then 12,000 a year then that sliding scale is bullshit.

 

I'm supposed to be in therapy for PTSD, I work a minimum wage job and I make 11,000 a year. The sliding scale offers me treatment for 150$ a session not including medication.

My insurance will co-pay on medications for me but I'm still paying about 75$ a month. That's 75$ I don't have.

 

So I'm not currently in treatment. And my story is not just mine. The system works for the upper to middle class. The working poor, no one cares about us. That's why fast food workers are protesting and demanding higher wages.

[FallFamily]

I have to agree with most of what Linkzelda said. From the outside, things look very different than from the inside.

 

Another important thing to remember is that things genuinely can go wrong even without recklessness (there are real risks to making tulpas). And then there is the fact that the things that go wrong with people in this community can be misattributed to tulpamancy both by people outside the community and even the very people themselves. And there is actual recklessness, not knowing enough to handle a situation, etc. and people on the outside can definitely just take that and think that tulpamancy is a very bad idea. There are more than a few such accounts out there for people to latch onto and come to this opinion.

 

I will take myself as an example (I will not give examples of others because I do not feel it is my place to judge them in this thread) because I have been one of the bigger fools with regards to this stuff I have seen in this community, and I also have other life circumstances that coupled with tulpamancy in weird ways and also didn't quite know as much as I should. I've wrecked havoc on myself with servitors, and I had one that I was working on but thankfully never finished that could have left me DEAD. Yes, this was servitors, but people outside this community would make no distinction. If someone was to come to this forum and read my thread Having a growing uncontrolled dissociation problem, they could get a very incorrect idea about tulpamancy by misattributing the problems I have had with dissociation to tulpamancy (interestingly, it was the techniques of tulpamancy that have finally gotten the problem under control) and/or being multiple (I say this last one because I don't want people here to do the same to multiplicity).

 

 

Technically true, but a lot of places charge on a sliding scale, which means the less money you have, the less you have to pay. This is good because it makes therapy more available to the people who need it the most -- the 20 - 25% of the homeless with mental illness.

 

True. I can't believe I forgot about that sliding scale is something that happens in some places.

 

- Hail