replies only when passive

[arduinoman12345]

I have been forcing and trying to keep my mind on sunset and I have been doing as much passive forcing as my mind can muster. But I have noticed that when I active force that I can tell she is listening because of headd pressure but when I passive force I get full blown answers to my thoughts(sometimes). Like ill try to ask her questions during my active forcing sessions but she won't reply vocally, but when im thinking to myself I will get answers like today I was thinking that I should do my homework but before I could even finish the thought I hear a clear "yea you probably should" is this a thing or am I just parroting?

[Guest amber5885]

Nah it's a thing. I'll let Toby handle this one,

 

Toby: your best bet to find out why this happens is to ask sunset why she's not talking but it is a thing,

 

When we're active forcing amber spend so much energy on seeing our little world or seeing me that she gets wrapped up an doesn't listen as well.

 

When she's passive forcing like she is right now then her mind is a little more relaxed and open and she can hear me clear as a bell.

 

With practice I would think it would go away,

[Linkzelda]

It could be just the type of mental state you’re in affecting you. An ad hoc claim to throw at you is that getting in a relaxed state of mind (e.g. Alpha state) usually may take some time (weeks, months, years, etc.) depending all sorts of things like how much practice that person had with achieving those mental states that seem to provide consistent results with their tulpas. In other words, being able to shorten those mental relapses to get into a specific mental state, and proceed to whatever conversation you want with them.

 

So when you’re active forcing, maybe you’re not able to recall the sensations of how you were when passive forcing. Maybe an endeavor you could go for is finding a way to quickly indulge in that mental state from passive forcing so that it’s both apparent when you’re active and passively forcing.

 

Another thing to take into consideration is what you use as validation that she’s there. Kind of like how her receptivity to listening to you seems to be contingent on head pressures, but I’m sure that it can be mentally taxing if you want to use the head pressure thing for long periods of time. It’s probably a matter of finding other validations instead of being biased towards one during forcing.

 

As for the question on parroting or not:

 

Parroting, Puppeting

When a host consciously and purposefully controls the tulpa's actions. Parroting generally refers to controlling their speech while puppeting generally refers to controlling their movement, but the terms are sometimes used interchangeably.

 

If you felt that circumstance where she responded “yeah, you probably should” is actually parroting, and you end up second guessing yourself, that would probably be contradicting the general definition of parroting; unless you’re one of those people who feel predisposed parroting, i.e., unconscious parroting is a perpetual thing going on in your head. To go along with the logic of “consciously” and “purposefully” controlling your tulpa’s actions, usually you would already have how you would assess their speech and actions beforehand; it may come to you immediately, and when the experience is played out based on your expectations, it shouldn’t be a surprise that it could be a circumstance of parroting.

 

But another thing to keep in mind is how we undermine the expectations we have of them; whether it’s how they assess themselves on things like this based on their personality, and overall disposition, we may get some feelings rushing into our awareness where we know what they would want to say, but not necessarily for verbatim when it ends up being expressed. In other words, if someone is going to spend hours upon hours throughout months reveling in the disposition of their tulpa, it won’t be surprising if they can quickly assume how they would respond and react to certain circumstances. And even if those responses and reactive nature on their end is exactly the same as the host planned beforehand, wouldn’t it be redundant to have the same experience played again? It’s like doubting something you clearly were aware of, and suddenly feigning as if you lost awareness to assure yourself that it wasn’t you, and questioning if it was really you, or them.

 

I would imagine that being in that kind of state of confusion would be somewhat mentally taxing; trying to validate whose thoughts are their own, or if it’s a shared thought and perception. I’m not sure if that would really be passive forcing.

[raymond13557]

i've heard my Haku whisper my name and i wasn't aware of it, i think i made haku say my name out loud to understand his or her voice, and i heard his/her voice again not in a text box or like zelda style where the character grunts or noises and a text box appears.. it was like a loud gleeful chirp, which made me jump off my futon while meditating and on the ground in surprise.

[arcon]

One thing I've had some luck with is like a mostly passive and slightly active approach sort of a dedicated passive time your not really looking to go into your wonderland or anything but just layback talk to your tulpa and picture them every now and then wouldn't hurt to let them know that this time is just for the two of you

[Bambi]

There's no need to worry about it. It could be that you're just more focused on focusing during active forcing sessions, whereas in passive forcing sessions you're able to hear better (as people have already said), or it might just be that Sunset just doesn't want to say much when you are active forcing. It might be a coincidence--after all, you did say that not every time you ask for an answer, even when passive forcing, you get one.

 

Though I'd put my money on the first reason.