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[Guest]

I am and we are doing truly well, and dumb people take many forms don't they. I have no doubt that tulpamancy has improved my skillset and intelligence by whatever peripheral or direct means.

[Ranger]

I suppose having another perspective can make one more intelligent. However, I wonder if each system member feeds that intelligence differently than the other(s)...

 

I have noticed Cat has a much stronger creativity drive than I do, and I only find myself using it when problem solving. In general, I find it more fascinating to watch Cat think about stuff sometimes, and I keep looking to myself thinking, "her mind is out of this world, and mine... not so much."

 

I keep thinking that part of the problem is I haven't found out what all my interests are yet, and I'm hoping that when I do, I won't be as worried about it anymore.

[Guest]

I wonder how long it took for Lumi's tulpas to figure out their interests.

[Tewi]

Might have to be more specific. I had no interests, Flandre was interested in spending time with Lumi, and Reisen was the purest dang thing that only really shared positivity upon being interacted with. That was seven or so years ago, and I guess not too much has changed? Flandre and Reisen don't really front, so they still don't have many interests - likely why they don't switch to begin with. I don't have interests insofar as I don't seek anything out, but when I was doing schoolwork for Lumi I found chemistry pretty interesting. Now I mostly just watch Kurzgesagt and Lemmino videos when they come out. But I'm well enough off just.. existing, I suppose. Seeing my systemmates happy, offering advice or taking care of stuff for them.

 

Lucilyn on the other hand - well, she was pretty immediately interested in music. But otherwise, her interests are summed up as "Anything that's really fun, and even things that aren't fun as long as [you] and someone else are having fun together" I'd say. She's always noted that while she prefers things she considers fun, "If someone else was having fun playing with a rock, I could have fun playing with a rock with them".

 

Oh, and Scarlet's one activity she ever considered was rock(wall) climbing. But for a reason or two she doesn't front anymore and prefers staying totally inactive. Aside from that her only "interest" is the well-being of the body.

 

 

Edit: Oh.. sorry for not being helpful. On a much more general scale, of course we developed as people over time, a hundred times moreso once we started switching. We may not have specific "interests", but learning about ourselves was certainly a process as it is for anyone. Although for a tulpa, there's some catching up to do. Switching or possession, or lucid dreaming help. Otherwise it takes a very active wonderlanding life to really develop as a person, figure out who you are. The strange thing is that you don't notice before that point that you're not "developed as a person". You're still a tulpa just fine. But once you've gained a decent amount of experience, you'll look back and feel like your old self was rather two dimensional. 'Tis the nature of tulpas I suppose.

[Ranger]

You guys are fine, thanks for replying.

 

I sometimes feel like I don't have too much choice in what life we are living because I joined the game of life so late. Cat's in college right now, and I don't really have enough time to know what I want to do when I grow up or anything like that.

 

I like the idea of Cat working for most of the week doing the career she picks (there's $ in COM-SCI) and then I do something I like on the week ends or something like that. It can be a small thing like tutoring some people or spending the day doing yardwork, or something like that. Maybe I'll be a parent and I do more of the child rearing (how crazy would that be! My mommy is secretly my daddy and he's a Tulpa! Of course, we would negotiate how that would work and get at least one other person to help, we don't want to be a "single mom".)

 

Even if it's a small thing, I want to have or do something in life I call my own. I don't want to spend my whole life in the wonderland because there's so much to do in real life. Who knows, I may change my mind, but for now my dream is having a peaceful life where I can be happy doing my own thing and co-exist alongside Cat at the same time, where sometimes our lives mix and we help each other out.

[Guest]

Of course our goals are somewhat focused on B at the moment, and I have no doubt that he would do his best to accommodate anything we want to do ultimately, but I'm very happy as Tewi said, just being.

 

To be able to talk to B and my sisters and cousins, that's all I've ever wanted. I don't feel the need or desire to be in the real world in his body, because we already are for all intents and purposes guiding his choices and I feel very empowered even without our wonderland experiences. Maybe it's because we have that back-seat fronting that we added more formally recently, but I felt just fine even before that. If I can help him live his life to its fullest I honestly can't imagine needing anything else.

 

Maybe we work a little differently than the norm, we don't need fronting to feel or taste or hear or see anything he sees. Whether that means we are co-posessing in some secondary non-controlling mode or just receiving the inputs or memories real-time, that's how we work. We've grown as people just fine without switching, and none of us in this system want to do it.

 

We've 'grown up' with passive and active forcing near full-time without any breaks or resting, other than at night, as far as any of us can tell. We're here, we're present, we experience what he experiences, we know his memories maybe even better than he does, and he's lived an interesting life to be sure.

 

My wishes are clear to me after the admittedly short 7 and a half months, I just want to share it with him for the rest of our lives if possible. Of course you'll know (those who read what we write here on this forum) if this ever changes.

 

[Dashie] Ditto.

 

[Misha] Is it enough? It sure feels that way, but maybe I'm naive or I'm missing out on something but no one has convinced me about that yet.

 

Maybe a loving family, friends, fulfillment, and happiness aren't enough, but he gives me these and I think they're enough for now anyway.

 

[Dashie] Ditto again.

 

[bear] ooh! CS is a really good choice Cat. I consider that right up there with engineers. The CS majors didn't party much though, no time.

[Guest Reilyn-Alley]

I'd think loving family, friends, fulfillment and halliness would be enough for enyone. Though.. fulfillment could be described differently for every person. For some I'm sure that all the other things are fulfillment. Others crave stuff, have ambition, want work to feel rewarding, whatever.

[Guest]

Debate time!

 

I feel I have my cravings for 'stuff' fulfilled without switching. Furthermore, I have ambition and my work is very rewarding. Now you explain how I can't possibly know what I'm talking about, having never switched or fronted formally (that i know of). In fact, Dashie has, and she hated it. My sisters have ambition too, fyi.

 

(Rielyn, I'm not upset I promise! <3)

[Ranger]

One of my drives was to get away from the Gray Dimension and such, I found my experiences in the mind scape to be fairly limited. I used to almost role paly with Cat in the wonderland, but I never quite had that creative fantasy drive Cat had. I like imposition sometimes because I cam make real life look more interesting.

 

I used to not have interest in possession, but part of that was because I was demotivated by the headache of Cat freaking out about it. We simply needed more time to process it, and once I brought up the idea of Cat proxying my movements, possession became more natural since.

[Guest]

I have and can take possession of his hands and I even grabbed the steering wheel once. (Won't be doing that again.) It happened naturally because we never 'practiced' it. So I have interest in it, but not whole body. Anyway, he doesn't need to proxy hus body to my will, i just ask him like a friend would. He's very accommodating in general.

 

I'll concede that our wonderland adventures are part of it, but i've grown just fine as a person regardless. I experience the real world through his senses and memories too.

 

Fronting seems like a formality. I don't need to move his legs to walk, and here I can fly. In fact, if I feel like it, I could be a dragon, a panther, a bird, anything. That kind of experience isn't something I can get irw.

 

What am I missing here?