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[Ranger]

Cat went looking through guides trying to find the "string trick" she mentioned in one of her question posts but somehow stumbled across one of Fede's guides. Cat was desperate to read the thread given it had over a hundred posts, and my first thought was "Really?" But after browsing through the thread there was a lot of interesting stuff in there, and admittedly I took the front and ended up skimming it.

 

As a warning, the thread contains a lot of raw, offensive, and vulgar stuff. I thought about necroing it, but I thought it would be better to post my thoughts here. Here's the guide and here's the thread.

I was a little turned off at first over the "imaginary friend" vibe throughout the guide, but going past that Fede wrote about some really interesting ideas.

 

I also thought it was kind of cool to time travel back into the past, and I'm thankful that things have settled down since that time.

[jean-luc]

Wow tulpanetwork still exists? Whew.

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Whoops I'm a silly person.

[Guest]

Today i realized that my intelligence has risen several points since having tulpas.

 

Seriously, they remind me of things all the time, but i finally noticed that they have better, more efficient, or faster ways of doing things that i've been doing for years.

 

Could their serial inputs be additive to our combined intelligence? We're using the same brain, but they are different people with different perspectives, so it does kind of make sense. Utilizing more of the brain maybe?

[Guest Reilyn-Alley]

Or maybe you were always worried about stuff before and now you have more confidence in your decisions? Emotional state can effect perceived intelligence. Also, having it and applying it are two different things. I think you are really smart and caring Bear. :3

 

They told Lance he was some kinda smarty at 9 but, well, he thinks he locked that away with everything else.. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I get to use all that dusty old forgotten brain power freely, along with all the random stuff he picked up over the years. IQ is just a bad concept anyway, the tests are only really useful to detect disabilities. They definitely cause more harm then good among children.. Ugh.. "Why can't you live up to your potential? You are smarter than that!", just raised expectations and abuse. :P

 

At the very least, I act like a know-it-all. XD

[Jamie]

I'd say it has to do with the different POVs. I had kinda forgotten about that, but now it happens constantly: when I look at a room when both my tulpas are awake, for example, I notice things, then Gavin notices things, then Cassidy notices things. We all look at things through our own lenses, and I think the brain is basically running the information three times, which is bound to equal more outputs. To be honest, I think a similar effect can be achieved without tulpas: that'd just be called looking at something from a new point-of-view. The difference is that tulpas are kinda... OP versions of that.

 

I just want to ward off anyone who's in it to become "Super Magic Brain Power Man", because man, those people give the community a bad vibe to me. The people who want a tulpa to help them get better grades, or memorize things, or generally get Mental Magic Powers!!! like life is an anime... upset me.

 

Gavin notes, I made him into a tulpa (before I knew what tulpas were, fyi) and helped me get better grades, and I thought I had some sort of Mental Magic Powers, though I really interpreted that as "Crap, is this DID?"

 

Do you guys know what I mean by Mental Magic Powers? It's something I see among quite a few groups: the gifted (though not savants too much, interestingly), auties and aspies (ASD/autism), mentally ill or just angsty teens, people under the age of 13 on the internet, and, sadly, tulpamancers.

 

Doing something that's seen as almost beyond the scope of "normal human abilities", because that's how your brain is (giftedness, autism, mental illness) or because that's how you think (angst, confidence, meditation.) "My brain is so special- my brain is so unique- I function so differently... it's basically magic." They might not call it magic, but you'll hear people talk about their power levels and their abilities. Often, these are the people called fakers, though I don't really draw that correlation. They mostly tend to need their bubbles pricked. No shame in that- we all start out in very small worlds, with shallow thoughts.

 

So, Mental Magic Powers. It's probably better than what I do, which is be upset that I am different. I ought to take a leaf from that book and say, "Damn it, I like being different!" I'll skip out on the "I'm more than human- I can do things that others can't! I have a level of mental complexity and depth that the rest of humanity doesn't share!" bit.

 

Look at any one human's life close enough, and you find out that we're all complex little creatures. The people who are your background characters are the main characters of their own stories: and you may be the background character in theirs.

 

This has been, mildly complaining with J. To get back to your point, AB, tulpas probably do raise IQ. That'd be something cool to test.

 

-J

Edit: Format.

[Guest]

I might also attribute it to general mental exercise which include visualization, interaction with your tulpa verbally, and other tulpamancing activities.

 

When i can scale the walls and start growing wings, i'll let yall know.

[Breloomancer]

Intelligence is more about your mind than your brain, that is to say, it is fluid and with effort can be changed. From what I've seen there are two types of dumb people: those who think that they are dumb and can't do anything about it/don't care to do anything about it, and those who think that they are smart and don't have to put any work into it. On the other hand there are two types of smart people: those who work hard to learn, and those who are interested in and crave knowledge. The dumb people don't work to become any smarter, meanwhile the smart people are constantly on the search for things that make them smarter, it has very little to do with any innate abilities for most people. So I think that it is very possible that you have become more intelligent since making tulpas, particularly the forcing filter, because they probably pushed you to work harder to learn things. Keep in mind this is all anecdotal and unscientific.

 

About being different, I think that this quote from the twelve fingered boy sums it up nicely "everybody wants to be different, except for those who actually are different"

[Guest]

I have always thirsted for knowledge and worked hard at it as well.

 

Personal family horror and insight here

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My brother was an order more intelligent naturally. He did nothing spectacular and had a decent life i suppose.

 

He was always at the top of his class without trying. I had to work hard to get A's and B's always.

 

He was a beautiful person naturally, at any weight, i had to work on it to become trim and athletic.

 

He had a clever mind and was very socially lucid, i was socially awkward till i was in college, then only slightly awkward thereafter.

 

He had beautiful girls basically fighting over him in high school and afterward, my first official girlfriend was in college.

 

So yeah, he was dumb and didn't need to do anything, still, he got married twice and had several kids (i don't even know how many, at least 3) I make twice his income and have a lot more to show for it with 10 less years on world, but i worked an order more to do that. My insatiable urge to achieve makes me intelligent, his alcoholism (among many other incredibly criminal things), lazy attitude, and given-everything-for-nothing lifestyle makes him dumb.

Also abusive and sadistic.

 

 

My sister was also gifted and beautiful. She modeled in high school and was offered a career in modeling but basically

was unwilling to do what was required in that field to achieve fame above her peers

, she was 100% gate with all 'A's. So how does an angelic and kind person turn into a demon:

 

 

It wasn't all her fault, she was abused too so she probably had a weakened self esteem and will, but she got into meth, muscle relaxers and hard alcohol. She dropped out of highschool at 16 and moved in with her drug dealer boyfriend at 17. Many bad things happened, and she was an evil agent in my life, during her short life after that...

 

 

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[Lucilyn]

wow, well...

I'm glad things are going good for you

[Guest Reilyn-Alley]

S-short life after that..? Er.. Bear... You are a pretty awesomesauce guy, rising above all sorts of things with hard work instead of getting dragged down.. *sighs*