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[War]

I want to get boring for a minute. There is a feedback loop between beliefs and circumstances. What do I mean by that? Harry Dresden in his eponymous books believed pain was a necessary, nay, crucial component of life. He also had a sucktastic life in which pain is inevitable. Many religions preach the inherent holiness of poverty and sacrifice. They also cater to large communities of low wealth.

 

The above comparisons are complete BS. This is hardly a scientific perspective. In fact, the only thing I know for sure on this topic is that the buddhists are onto something when they note that desire causes sufferenig. If you don't want suffering, you get rid of desire.

 

Counterintuitively, the fastest way to get unsad is to stop wanting to be unsad. Buddhists sometimes go through life in a hypnotic trance where they have essentially stopped caring about anything. It is also an unreasonable request for a person to ask another to be happy. Some people don't want to be happy. And it adds undue stress to a likely already stressed person.

 

I am happy you are feeling better. It makes my above philosophy irrelevant.

[Lucilyn]

Yeah, I know the thing about not being able to make others happy pretty well. That's part of how I don't get sad, because I know that sometimes people just don't want to be happy. No sense in being sad over that.

 

@The counterintuitive thing, my first response to reading that was "Yeah well, I'm not stupid". Thanks to all the crazy philosophy/conscious development stuff Lumi did over the years we've got really good control over lots of things in our mind. 'Cus of introspection I guess. So I can recognize things that I guess others just don't? Some people feel an emotion like being sad or mad and it just owns them, but we can see the sort of.. well if you like computer analogies then it's kinda like having task manager or some kinda process manager open and not just the windows. So you can still play games and work with all that stuff but should need be you have more control over them. You can force end them or tell where their files are located and stuff. That's what came to mind just now, it's like our emotions and thoughts are "tagged" or profiled like processes and we can un-immerse from/ignore them if we want. Wow that didn't make anywhere near as much sense as I wanted.

 

What I meant was we can tell when things like.. have an ulterior motive in the mind. We can trace our sadness (which is actually a want to be sad) back to like, "Wants to feel sad because bad thing happened" and respond to that with "Nah, don't want to respond to it that way" and it's gone. Basically, control over emotions! Sheesh! Sorry my thinking's a little messy right now.

 

 

 

wow what did I even say. Anyways, "The fastest way to get unsad is to stop wanting to be unsad." makes sense to others but not to us, because we know how to control our thoughts and feelings on a slightly higher level so we can force them to work a certain way. So when I want to be unsad (which is more accurately, want to stop wanting to be sad), I can feel/tell where the urge to feel sad is coming from, and with enough willpower I can override it. That's why we generally can't be made sad by anything outside of us, like deaths of people we know or anything. Lumi and Tewi would both say the only things that can hurt them are inside our mind, ie we only really worry about each other. I guess that's not true for me. I want everyone to be happy, so accidentally making someone go from happy to sad.. that's too much for me. Also Reisen can feel "sad" but it's not on a deep, bothers-you kinda level. I preemptively give up trying to explain how her emotions work, I'll just say "No matter what she feels nothing remotely hurts her love". And I guess to complete this topic I'll say Flandre is even less vulnerable to outside affairs than Tewi and Lumi, but I think she is more vulnerable to Lumi and herself's feelings and about equal to/for the rest of us.

 

(Oh and the willpower thing, that means they have the willpower to override "wants to be sad because X" when dealing with anything else, but when it's dealing with us ourselves the want to be sad is stronger than us. Mind that doesn't mean we all get sad when one is though, like Tewi and Reisen weren't sad earlier even when I was crying)

[tulpa001]

I've been feeling kind of blendy, so I am out of the body right now, so I haven't been posting much. I'm sorry, my host is a bit bad at this emotional stuff.

 

You guys have a rather unique view on emotions. My host, she just separates emotions from thoughts, and she puts everything under a microscope and dissects it.

 

It is really hard to post by dictating.

[Lucilyn]

your avatar is totally broken for me right now

[War]

That troubles me. Could you elaborate?

[Lucilyn]

http://i.imgur.com/vSwyVTh.png

maybe it's just on our end, I'm sure caches and stuff will make it really difficult to tell where the problem is so

weird because it happened between your first and second posts on this page time-wise

 

Well, I think being sad is good.

 

I just realized you are exactly like my host lol, "Only he" would respond to someone in emotional distress with a "Spock-like response like that". It's ok because I know exactly how you were thinking when you wrote that, but that type of thing is what gets my host called "emotionless", because people expect emotional responses (even though I know you guys think they're.. illogical). Just thought I'd mention that

[tulpa001]

Hah! lol, that is hilarious. I have a bit of social anxiety, and my host is worse, so we totally jumped to the worst possible interpretation of that sentence.

 

But it's totally literally broken!

 

I'll try reuploading.

 

... are you confusing any of my host's statements for mine? I think the italics may be too subtle.

[Solune]

...the Buddhists are onto something when they note that desire causes suffering. If you don't want suffering, you get rid of desire.

 

As if suffering is something to be avoided... how incredibly boring.

I don't understand why Buddhist teachings are held in such high regard by so many.

They have some good ideas regarding the Illusion of Separation and stuff like that, but such wisdom is wasted on them since they choose to do nothing with it.

Bleh.

[Lucilyn]

Uh sorry, I don't know your host's name. I switched who I was talking to after the quote (I even fixed the italics in the quote because I meant to be quoting her and not you)

and your avatar is fixed now

[Lucilyn]

Couldn't launch Stardew Valley (literally gave an error about display drivers) so I uninstalled ours and our fullscreening was fixed. THEN I reinstalled the driver and everything seems the same? But I had to install it in a new place even though NVIDIA was still installed in its old place so I think we lost like 1gb of space but whatever it's fixed