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Oguigi & Koomer Possession Starter guide V1.2
Co-authors/editors: -Chupi -Waffles -Linkzelda




Disclaimer: Hello, my name is Oguigi, and I am Koomer’s tulpa. This guide describes my way of doing possession. Please be considerate of you and your tulpa’s safety, and never overwork yourself or your tulpa.

Be patient and train in a safe and private area, and please acknowledge that the advice I give may not apply to everyone. The mind is an abstract place and there is no single way to do things. This guide is somewhat experimental, but Koomer and I hope that this method will help those who are struggling to achieve possession.


Koomer (host): Possession is a very useful skill that allows your tulpa to influence the physical world directly, by moving and controlling your body. It can also be fun. Tulpae can play games with you, learn to speak with your body, as well as type and write. This is a great way of giving them a portal to the outside world.
The following is written by my tulpa, Oguigi. She will explain and give details and helpful tips on possession.


(To hosts: Before you start possession, I strongly recommend that your tulpa be able to communicate with you reliably.)

Because of the nature of possession, be sure to read this guide with your tulpa.

Oguigi (tulpa): What I am about to write is aimed at tulpae, because we are the ones primarily responsible for whether possession works or not. The host's role is to relax their body and let us attempt to assume control over it; to coach us on how to move each body part; and to encourage us to try our best.



The first thing you need to be able to do is have some kind of awareness of your host's body. It's very important that you experience what they see, hear, feel, taste, etc. as they do. You need to relax yourself and tune out your own surroundings, then focus on your host's body.

Make sure your host knows what you're doing so they can relax their body and not move. Focus on a simple part of the body like the index finger. Assume that body part is now yours, and try to gain awareness of this body part. (Note: This sometimes makes me feel a little tingling or numbness in the part the tulpa is focusing on. -Chupi)

When you are focused try to move it, imagining that you are doing so. If this is your very first time, the body might reject your commands to make it move. This is normal. Even on your first try it might be possible for the index finger to move a couple millimeters in the direction you want.

Your host may notice that the finger "clicks" this is pretty much the smallest about of muscle movement possible. If the host detects these movements, please make sure that he/she tells you, and knows that these movements came from you.

Most hosts can only give up a small fraction of their day for this. You can still train possession, even when you're not controlling your host's body. We tulpae come in all shapes and forms, but for training possession while not using the physical body you will want to assume a temporary form that is similar to your host's body. Anything that's "human/humanoid" is good enough.

For some being in a humanoid body might be strange at first, but the key is to get used to it. The brain has some magical ways of making things work. The way you move the toes, fingers, arms, and legs in your new humanoid body will be almost identical to the way you would try to move your host's body during possession. (If you already have a human form, that's great. All you need to do is keep possession in mind when ever you're moving any part of your body.)

Keep training and moving around in your humanoid body, with the goal of possession in mind. Training usually takes many hours so please be patient. You should always have a set time to train possession with your host, and should attempt this at least once a day. If possible you should set it at the same time each day, to gauge your progress on a daily basis, which is very helpful. I strongly discourage using random times, random days, or when you feel like it.



Some extra tips:

If you have a decent awareness of your host's body, whenever he/she moves throughout the day, pay close attention to the way the body moves.

When you are learning some of the more advanced things like walking, you must remember that the physical body does a lot of things automatically. This includes balance, so don't be afraid to walk with the host's body. If you're worried about falling, then train in a grassy or otherwise soft area.


Everything is a team effort. Hosts, if you cannot do possession it's not your fault. Your tulpa plays the most important role, and all you can do is point him or her in the right direction. Tulpae, hopefully this guide will kickstart your efforts to get possession working, but everyone is different. Some host bodies are very agreeable to our will, while others might be very stubborn. Some tulpae will work on possession all day long, while others will put it as a side project. All of these variables will affect how quickly full-body possession can be achieved.


Trouble shooting & Guide clarification:

This is only to add on to the main guide, and is not in any way a replacement. Always read the main guide first.

Make sure that all of your tulpa's attention is on the body; he/she must fully tune out the wonderland/mind/imposed environment and shift their focus to the body. You can have your tulpa focus on the body's senses such as hearing, taste, and most importantly sight. If you are sitting down on a chair make sure your tulpa gets that same feedback: he/she should feel the chair underneath the body.

Your tulpa needs to change his/her perspective: they are not watching the body anymore, they are the body. Your tulpa need to assume the body is theirs, just like how they have a sense of ownership of their wonderland bodies. Move your arm around a bit yourself. From your tulpa's perspective the body should feel like it's moving on its own. If you can talk to your tulpa then try to confirm this, otherwise you can skip this step.

Now rest your dominant hand on your lap or on your desk or whatever else you prefer. Tell your tulpa that the hand is theirs and it's a part of their being. Ask him/her to try to move the index finger, and they will move this finger like it belongs to them. That means no 'thinking' about moving it, they will move this finger in the same nature as they will move their wonderland bodies, by direct command - just like how a host will move their body. Even if the body don't move at first, just keep pressing on. Once your tulpa gets past that initial resistance of moving any part of the body, it will become much easier to maintain that control.

As for the host, they need to try their best not to interfere. After your tulpa has moved the finger, don't try to take back control or move it under your will in any way. Doing this reinforces all of the resistance that tulpa had to get through in order to gain control of the part in the first place.



Thank you for reading this guide. Please try my methods and see if it works for you, and report back your results. Don't hesitate to provide any feedback on this guide you might have.

if you are struggling then please state your problem in this thread. I can then provide some extra assistance for your case.

-Oguigi

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11-02-2012 04:37 PM
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Interesting, I read that the role of the host is the most important since it's not that the tulpa couldn't move a body part, it's just that the host wouldn't let him, but you seem to think otherwise. Good to have different opinions on this.

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Thank you for this guide, Oguigi! Possession seemed surprisingly easy when we followed your method! Link only managed to make my fingers twitch a little, but it took no more than a minute for him to gain control and figure out how to (sort of) move my finger. I'd say your guide definitely helped us!

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11-03-2012 02:21 PM
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THANK YOU
When Holly moves me she moves everything very very slowly. How do I get her to speed up do we just practice more or what?
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Am very happy to see my guide yielding positive results for some people. Fillyfooler holly has established the inner workings of possession, i was also had holly stage once (where i can move everything slowly), all see needs to do now is train & practice!

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Well that's good to hear but what can we train on? That is what really screwed us up the first time. She eventually wants to play Audiosurf with Chell but We have no idea how we can train other than raising my limbs.
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(11-02-2012 04:37 PM)koomer Wrote:  For some being in a human like body might be strange at first but the key is to get use to it, the brain have some magical ways of making things work, the way you would move the toes, fingers, arms, and legs in your new human like body will be almost identical to the way you would try to move your host human body were you to do possession. (if you already have a human form than that's great, all you need to do is keep possession in mind when ever your moving any part of your body).


keep training and moving around in this body, with the goal of possession in mind. training does take many hours so please be patience, and always have a set time to train possession with your host, you should attempt this at least once a day, and if possible also set it at the same time during the day or night
for example: (Everyday at 7pm we will train possession together, to measure progress)
by doing this you are gauging your progress at a daily basis, which is very helpful. i strongly discourage random times or random days (when you feel like it), please have this structure established.

I just read this guide with Anera. We think these two points will be particularly useful for us. I'd had tulpae watch how I move before, though we hadn't thought to try having them focus on how they move themselves. Also our schedule for practicing it has been rather sporadic, like the rest of my daily schedule.

Thanks for finally posting this, it's a good and useful guide, seeing as how it's already helped a few. I think it should be on the guides page, though first it should be edited for grammar and generally be made to look more professional. I could do the editing for you sometime. I do find the differences in how the two of you write interesting though.

EDIT (11/7/2012): The edited version of the guide is now up. IMO it's ready to go on the guides page, though it might be better to get a little more feedback and revisions first. When my "Can't see a dang thing" visualization guide got posted there, further changes to the one here on the forum didn't show up on the guides page.

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Well crap. This works so well. We tried this just a couple seconds ago, and after a minute or two of my hand being completely still, my index finger jumped to the side, I guess. A couple seconds later, my entire hand started to spaz out, in ways that didn't really seem possible. We know it was Kate, because I tried to replicate the effects, just couldn't do it. So,

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11-04-2012 03:27 AM
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(11-03-2012 02:21 PM)fennecgirl Wrote:  Thank you for this guide, Oguigi!

(11-03-2012 02:40 PM)Fillyfooler Wrote:  THANK YOU

(11-03-2012 07:19 PM)Chupi Wrote:  Thanks

(11-04-2012 03:27 AM)Koji Wrote:  THANK YOU

Basically, all this.

I am writing this at the end of the day, so a lot of noteworthy stuff has happened. I had noticed this guide since it was put up yesterday, but didn't get a chance to read it with Ryouga until this morning. Though a few of the points echo statements I have heard before, the concept of keeping a schedule strongly resonated with me; so I made sure to set a time for us to do this. Ryouga, by the way is decently vocal now, and we agreed to train at 8:00pm every day.

After getting home from work, despite it being well before the appropriated time, we began researching and refreshing our knowledge about possession; in order to gain confidence when we practice at eight. To be frank, Ryouga was undoubtedly eager to try this out; jumping around my whole pad with a irrepressible smile on his face. We have made headway before, but the progress was often spontaneous and soon forgotten.

This time however, things were far more productive. I donned my headphones, and put on one of Fede's tones; allowing Ryouga to take control. The both of us sitting cross-legged on my mattress, he stuck his hand into my right one, and started tugging and pulling on it; I could see he was straining his body in an attempt to move it. Sure, I felt the usual twitching, and my forearm was also swinging at the elbow in rather slow movements; but things began to pick up. By the end of our practice, which lasted a full hour, his grasp over my arm had improved considerably, yet the movements were overtly slow and clicking in and out. He also has trouble twisting my wrist, for some reason. There were, however, big movements which were completely unlike the movements described above. I also noticed that when he switched his attention to another part of the arm, the one he was controlling would go limp and drop; though at the end of the session he could simultaneously control sections without that problem. We are still quite a ways though from fluidity.

One other, perhaps more significant thing that happened only moments ago. When I was browsing this thread no more than ten minutes ago, before I decided to type up this post; I read by one of the postings of Fillyfooler, and my right hand miraculously (and clumsily, I might add) slid to the right, along with the mouse it was holding on to. It landed only a small margin away from Fillyfooler's username, which is a blue hyperlink. I was not focused on my hand at this time, and it came as a complete shock to me. Ryouga said he "just wanted to see what Fillyfooler is doing"; as in, whether he is online or not. I must stress, this alien, almost contrary movement I experienced was a shock, because Ryouga did it on his own initiative, and not while we were consciously practicing it.


And now I've written up a huge wall of text; sorry about that.

Like all the others, I want to give my hearty thanks to Oguigi and Koomer for their endeavors in field of possession, which had clearly benefited a sizable portion of this community.

ONE OTHER THING

In retrospect, we did a few things which were not ideal during the practice session; for example:
I was likely focusing to much on the hand itself, and not on Ryouga, which probably stifled his control over the hand;
Ryouga was trying very hard to make the hand move, but this may of been counterproductive;
and Ryouga would have been better off forfeiting his virtual body and all of the senses which come with it during the session, so that he can focus more successfully on the hand's senses.

We will try to remedy this tomorrow during the next session.

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Before reading
Chloe: Let's hope this works
During reading
Chloe: Oguigi is blaming this on me?
After reading/trial
Both of us: HOLY CRAP IT WORKS.

A really big thanks! Though she could only twitch my thumbs a little, it'll get better :3

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