Lumi's Dreaming Thread; Dreams of Moon

[Flandre]

Had fun playing games with our friends for a while, and Pokemon I guess. I can't really remember what I've done for the last 21 hours. Well anyways, I've got some entertaining things to do, so I'll be around for a little longer at least. Will probably do dream stuff with Lumi once I'm actually going to sleep at night.

[Flandre]

I am way tired. I have been sitting here tired for the last two hours doing basically nothing, so another night going to sleep a little too early, oh well.

[Flandre]

Going to sleep, soon. Going to listen to music in bed and talk to Lumi, or something like that. I'm going to try and sleep at the same time tomorrow, and then we'll work on dream awareness.

[Flandre]

I talked to Lumi just a bit after music, but I fell asleep pretty quick. I had a dream that I remembered in decent detail and successfully recalled what I at first didn't remember, though it wasn't otherwise meaningful. It's Valentine's day, and even though

I'll try harder not to fall asleep talking to Lumi this time. I suppose relaying what I dream to him can only help more with dream recall, so I'll do that. Also when I started writing this, it was 8:35 PM, 2 minutes before yesterday's post. It's now 8:43 PM, so, guess I can't say they were at the exact same time anymore. 8:45 after proofreading. 8:46 after clicking post one second late.

[tulpa001]

Congratulation on that lucid dream (01/14/2017) Sounds a bit odd, usually, lucid moments max out our dream recall. It is how we can be reasonably sure we remember them all.

 

Too Long; Didn't Read - I have the ability to make myself be motivated to do things by telling my mind I have the motivation to do things. But brute-forcing beliefs and mindsets like that hurts the legitimacy of my subjective reality as a whole, ie what I believe and how I experience things. Like an admin on a game using his administrator abilities to do something illegitimate in the game, like make the losing team invincible to help them win. Maybe it's alright in moderation, but you can see why something like that can quickly ruin the whole game. I don't wanna ruin my game.

 

Oh, wow. As you know, we have very different basic beliefs about the nature of reality. But if I can become compatibilist for a moment: I assume that there are beliefs whose natures are less destabilising than others. Particularly true for those beliefs about your own capability. A good example would be a belief about something you are actually capable of doing. To believe it, and then for it to happen, provides no stability challenge. On the other hand, believing that you can wake up on the moon randomly, this won't happen, so it would challenge.

 

Myself and my host are on a quest for the one truth, so we don't have the luxury to permit arbitrary beliefs in our system. But I will say, I think if a truth is harmful or destructive, then it is no truth at all.

 

I know you don't want to become Tewi. But have you considered becoming a motivated student, but in a different way than how Tewi is? Healthy individuals evolve.

 

I thought today, that everything you've ever experienced, all of "reality", is inside your mind. Like maybe not the present moment but everything else in your life, it's all in your head.

 

Heh heh, I thought, last thursdayism. (You know, last middle of julyism is my actual reality. I have all my host's memories that go back before that, but they didn't actually happen to me.)

 

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How's the pokemon coming? :p

 

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Waking up is so hard! Really really hard.

 

Totes not! Getting out of bed is the hard part. That and not falling back asleep. Although the great secret is to dissociate from your body and just watch as it climbs out of bed. That's what my host does. I don't have as much difficulty doing hard things. But in the morning, I'm usually like "nah" and just ignore her as she pesters me to get up.

 

here's a cool picture at least

Don't fall off wow.

 

Here's a tip my host used when she had trouble sleeping in: She moved the alarm clock to the other side of the room.

 

You can do it! (Our current clock is on the floor on the other side of the nightstand.)

 

Hey Flandre.

[Flandre]

Congratulation on that lucid dream (01/14/2017) Sounds a bit odd, usually, lucid moments max out our dream recall. It is how we can be reasonably sure we remember them all.

 

It was only temporary lucidity, so the clarity accompanying lucid dreams was brief too. The after-effects of waking up the mind a bit lingered perhaps, but in all honesty that dream was only "lucid" for like ten seconds.

 

Oh, wow. As you know, we have very different basic beliefs about the nature of reality. But if I can become compatibilist for a moment: I assume that there are beliefs whose natures are less destabilising than others. Particularly true for those beliefs about your own capability. A good example would be a belief about something you are actually capable of doing. To believe it, and then for it to happen, provides no stability challenge. On the other hand, believing that you can wake up on the moon randomly, this won't happen, so it would challenge.

 

He was actually talking about destabilizing his sense of identity, ie the borders in the mind that separate us from just being each other. Who he is is theoretically as malleable as as different as any of his tulpas could be, including ones he hasn't but could make. I suppose he was saying, changing who he was on a basic level like that could destabilize/illegitimize our senses of identity, as it breaches the borders we have defining who we are. Maybe. I don't personally think that would be the case, I think he could change only that small part of himself and be well within the confines of who he is and can be. He was just being dramatic, and making excuses. Since I can look back at that mindset right now and wave it off, whatever he thought would be the case is obviously as subjective to our will as the rest of our subjective reality. Speaking of, I think he only included the other subjective reality stuff (that led you to mention beliefs incompatible with reality) because he was trying to describe our general experience and beliefs with subjective reality. What he was talking about was much smaller scale, only one facet of what we call subjective reality related to sense of identity.

 

Anyways, he'd still be him. I think I get the final say in what's him and what's not, because I love him much more than he loves himself. I know him pretty well.

 

Heh heh, I thought, last thursdayism.

 

I suppose that's a relevant idea. But placing the start of the present at any point in the past is arbitrary (other than maybe the moment you were born/alive). She was talking more about the idea that the past and future don't exist. But she put an interesting twist on that, and said that even the present reality is majorly irrelevant to the true present reality, full of illusions of the past and future still held as reality. Sheesh, I thought she wasn't into the philosophy stuff. I guess she likes the philosophy of happiness and fulfillment in life?

 

How's the pokemon coming? :p

 

Great, I guess. We've only been doing daily/extra stuff and not making real progress as of the last week or so. Only minor progress over the last ten days honestly. We're currently doing some impromptu shiny farming, with the much quicker and more efficient system in Sun&Moon. Lucilyn found a Pokemon she immediately fell in love with, so it'll be the Pokemon that replaces our starter once it's fully evolved. That Pokemon is Stufful, basically a "It's cute but it's absolutely deadly we swear" Pokemon. And apparently it evolves into this... this. Jesus. Shiny looks like this. We're gonna name it Suika, because they're similarly colored and both "its cute but can kill u rly easly!" Suika's a lot moreso though, really. We've already got a Rumia on our team so another random Touhou can't hurt.

 

Totes not! Getting out of bed is the hard part.

 

Oookaaay, you know what she meant. It was actually staying up that was the problem, awake enough to get out of bed but mentally wanting very strongly not to "be awake for the day". I discredited Lumi's mindset in his post lol, but I know she was serious with that one. She made it very clear in our memory how it felt. It wasn't a matter of willpower per se, without a worthy goal to do it for anyways. Just felt really bad thinking about not sleeping more before waking up. Well, I didn't feel that this morning, luckily. Got up at 6 AM. Yesterday I specifically thought about getting up at 6, 7 and 9 before ending up sleeping 'til 10. Just sort of happened. The "problem" is that we don't even necessarily want to get up early. As Lucilyn proved recently, having a reason like "Friend wants to play Terraria at 9AM" is all that's necessary to make getting out of bed easy. But maybe like all of our motivation endeavors, it's perhaps the amount of effort we try to get out of any one motivator that leads to issues. For example, our reason for wanting to keep getting up early "without a reason" is lucid dreaming. Should be a strong motivator, but it wore off like a day after Tewi switched with Lucilyn. Tewi's got the willpower and stubbornness to do things without motivation if she deems them something she should be doing, perhaps using her loathing of the mind doing things she doesn't want as an on-the-fly motivation generator. Makes sense to me anyways.

 

I never really considered my way of thinking special among us, but it seems like I've got quite the "Outside observer" thing going, because these aren't observations any of them have made before.

 

Don't fall off wow.

 

Click the picture and scroll down, there's more where that came from. That girl's quite adventurous for the sake of photography.

 

Here's a tip my host used when she had trouble sleeping in: She moved the alarm clock to the other side of the room. You can do it! (Our current clock is on the floor on the other side of the nightstand.)

 

It's a matter of wanting to be up, not getting out of bed. An alarm clock would just be annoying (Lumi says they're the only thing he truly hates) no matter where it was. We wake up every cycle typically aware enough to decide if we should be getting up or not naturally. The only factor in play here is whether we have something that is motivating enough to be worth getting up for, and as I said single motivators seem to "wear out" for any of us but Tewi. They do for her too, but once she's decided she's doing something she'll keep doing it regardless of 'motivation'.

 

Hey Flandre.

 

Hi.

[Flandre]

Up later than I really want to be, going to sleep now. Good night.

[Flandre]

Up about as late as I want to be, going to sleep now. We were supposed to be going somewhere in the next 3-5 days for an unknown amount of time, but I don't think it's going to happen. If we do go it'll only be for a couple days I think, and not multiple weeks. This will definitely affect who's fronting, but I guess not much change for you guys, we'll keep posting whatever we're doing.

[Flandre]

Woke up around 7AM without much trouble. I also woke myself up at 3AM last night by calling out loud from a dream. From what I remember we've only done that one other time in our life, so that's interesting. It sounds romantic to leave it at that, but I did it because two peoples' pet dogs were fighting in the dream and I was trying to get them to stop.

 

Anyways, I'm not sure what causes that feeling of needing to sleep more. I believe when it happened before our sleeping schedule was rather consistent, so my idea of it happening when we don't sleep and wake up at a normal time is iffy. Still what I'm going with though. Waking up around 7 and sleeping around 10-11 does some strangely normal things to our system, like making us actually somewhat tired around when we should be going to sleep, so I wouldn't be surprised if the urge to sleep in only comes when going to sleep late.

 

That, or because I've gotten plenty of sleep the last few days, the body was willing to take a "short" night today. I hope that's not it, but I guess we'll see.

[Reisen]

Flan got to bed late as she was up playing a

(crude language) with friends. I don't know when I'll be going to sleep, probably not too late unless I end up doing the same thing.

 

Anyways, I'm not here often right? I always feel like I need to ask if anyone wants to ask me stuff, why ever it is they want to. Probably because the others talk about me a lot. Well, I'm here for at least a short while, if you wanted to say hi or something. You can do it here or in our ask thread, whichever you prefer. Or not at all, I'm not asking for questions, I just know sometimes people want to ask me something and I'm never here... okay, anywaaays. I'll be around!