Random/intrusive thoughts and tulpa

[PID_1]

Hello everyone,

 

I'm pretty sure this topic has already been adressed more or less, but I could'nt find any satisfying answer.

 

I've started forcing a bit less than a month ago. I haven't had a lot of results for now, but I enjoy having someone with me and talking with them, even if I don't think I get feelings or thoughts from them, and I'm still optimistic. As I'm not very good at visualization and I probably don't have enough time nor energy to improve my visualization skills at the moment, I decided to focus of narration (even if I still try to keep in mind some sort of basic form for my tulpa while forcing). Also, considering I use to be  "paranoid"  (not in a clinical sense) or to overthink regarding certain topics, I decided to avoid parroting.

 

I noticed several times, in particular when I'm almost asleep, that there are a lot of thoughts that I can't really bind to me. When I'm sleepy and in my bed, I often "hear" in my mind indistinct people with strange tone saying comically absurd things, singing, etc., (hope there is no link to schizophrenia by the way), but sometime, there and there, a sentence seems to be coherent with what my tulpa could say. Is it only a coincidence ? Could it not be a coincidence if I "decided" not ?

 

Also, I guess it's probably too early, but I sometime try to ask my tulpa questions, and wait a moment trying to hear something in my mind. I used to hear answers, often even before I finished my question. They very looked like me, and often weren't very elaborate, like a kind of "impulsion" of a few words, and looked like parroting. I always tries to be transparent, and tell my tulpa what I hear, my doubts, etc. Recently, I seem to hear less answers, so I believe I might make my mind "less free" or something while listening.

 

I must precise I never had any real conversation of some kind with the origin of these thoughts.

 

The closest I might have come to an "alien" feeling was a few times when I perceived almost verbal-like "things" in my mind (not words, just impressions) after asking a question to my tulpa, while not being able to attach any meaning to it.

 

So my question is rather vague, but I wondered if you had tips and advices about discerning origins of thoughts at this stage, or whether I just have to wait until it becomes obvious.

Edited November 13, 2025 by PID_1

[Luminesce]

Random thoughts/visualizations/etc. while falling asleep are called hypnagogia (waking-up version is called hypnopompia, but less people know that word) and is normal

I'm usually a bit hesitant to recommend relying on completely random/unintentional stuff as tulpa communication - thinking it is does support them learning vocality, however relying on things you can't purposely induce in a controlled manner often leads to permanent roadblocks. Relying on "alien" feelings is just not realistic for most people - talked about this recently https://community.tulpa.info/topic/26470-about-some-problems/?do=findComment&comment=493891

 

But generally, yes, allowing things that "could've been" your tulpa and match what they'd say is fine and may help develop vocality. The important thing to know is just that they're not actually developed yet so it may be less "breaking through" and more "brain isn't quite sure what them talking is like yet" - you direct that development with your intent and expectations, and eventually the experience should start to look/sound/feel more obvious and stable. Holding that goal in mind and expecting them to be moving towards it as you probe them for responses is the very most basics of tulpa development (parroting isn't required, it can help people get over the very starting phase if they're rejecting all the beginnings of what might be their tulpa, but of course the tradeoff is they might then never believe it's their tulpa talking as vocality develops anyways, so)

[PID_1]

On 11/14/2025 at 12:19 AM, Luminesce said:

But generally, yes, allowing things that "could've been" your tulpa and match what they'd say is fine and may help develop vocality. The important thing to know is just that they're not actually developed yet so it may be less "breaking through" and more "brain isn't quite sure what them talking is like yet" - you direct that development with your intent and expectations, and eventually the experience should start to look/sound/feel more obvious and stable. Holding that goal in mind and expecting them to be moving towards it as you probe them for responses is the very most basics of tulpa development (parroting isn't required, it can help people get over the very starting phase if they're rejecting all the beginnings of what might be their tulpa, but of course the tradeoff is they might then never believe it's their tulpa talking as vocality develops anyways, so)

Thank you, I think I better understand the process. But I'm still not sure about what the difference is between me speaking for my tulpa and my tulpa speaking while feeling like me. Is it just a question of intention, or point of view ?

 

And how not to parrot at the beginning ? I sometime have short answers that feel like me, while being kind of spontaneous (but likely triggered by my own thoughts), I mean more spontaneous than what would be just me speaking to my tulpa. Should I encourage these kinds of answers ? The problem is that they don't seem to keep being spontaneous the moment I focus on them, and it would be more like parroting I guess.

Also, these answers are kind of obvious, and not very elaborate, for the moment. At the beginning, I decided not to think about too detailed personality traits. But should I come up with a more detailed personality for my tulpa, in order to be able to better predict what they might say ?

Edited November 15, 2025 by PID_1

[Luminesce]

I do generally recommend having an idea of who your tulpa will be, yeah, and just being open to them growing into a more fleshed out person over time

Vocality becomes more natural and feeling/sounding like them with practice, yes. Eventually it should be very obvious when they're speaking and they shouldn't feel/sound like you at all, but it often doesn't start out that way.

Anticipating responses from them and considering seemingly legitimate ones to be them learning to talk is generally the way, yes. Don't worry about "whether you're parroting or not" - parroting is an intentional practice you can do, not a mistake you can make.

 

I'm not sure how to specifically train spontaneity, I feel like that just comes with strongly developed vocality & actively talking to them daily. You can try to work with them to train their independence in various ways, especially once they're fully vocal, but maybe someone else would have to answer to give suggestions/exercises for that

[Jim Liu]

On 11/15/2025 at 8:28 PM, PID_1 said:

Thank you, I think I better understand the process. But I'm still not sure about what the difference is between me speaking for my tulpa and my tulpa speaking while feeling like me. Is it just a question of intention, or point of view ?

 

And how not to parrot at the beginning ? I sometime have short answers that feel like me, while being kind of spontaneous (but likely triggered by my own thoughts), I mean more spontaneous than what would be just me speaking to my tulpa. Should I encourage these kinds of answers ? The problem is that they don't seem to keep being spontaneous the moment I focus on them, and it would be more like parroting I guess.

Also, these answers are kind of obvious, and not very elaborate, for the moment. At the beginning, I decided not to think about too detailed personality traits. But should I come up with a more detailed personality for my tulpa, in order to be able to better predict what they might say ?

In my opinion, the most important thing in creating a tulpa is belief. During the process, I never allowed myself to doubt her existence. I consciously avoided overthinking and simply focused on the fact that she was becoming more and more real. Even if you are just talking to yourself or experiencing a kind of hallucination, it doesn't matter. If you continually question their presence, your tulpa will find it increasingly difficult to "prove" themselves to you.

Remember that your tulpa is listening. They share your knowledge, hear what you hear, and understand most of what you understand, unless you decide otherwise. You simply need to have faith and trust your tulpa. They are far from incompetent.