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[Guest Anonymous]

At this rate' date=' tuppers will never be something people will take seriously, this place will never be professional and no research will be done[/quote']

 

As much as I hate to say this, I agree with this. Hosts don't seem to take tulpas seriously, even tulpas don't seem to take tulpas seriously. Between all the far-fetched claims, I can't tell who legitimately believes in what they're claiming from people that are just trying to spice up their life with fantasy. Everybody talks like they know everything related to tulpas, regardless of whether they are beginners or not. I am a tulpa, and I barely know anything about tulpas besides the obvious - how would all these beginners know how everything around tulpas works? People are much too full of themselves, they don't really seem to care for developing their tulpa, only for having a completed tulpa with as little work as possible.

 

Ideally, this community would learn to favor hard work over fast results. I don't personally like FAQ_Man's ideas, but I would much rather see people dismiss their tulpa's initial responses just to be sure their tulpa is well-developed later on than people who think pretty much any intrusive thought is a tulpa. If you value your tulpa, you put effort into them and expect them to put effort into their own development as well. That, and hosts/tulpas need to stop trying to feel special. I see lots of people who want to make tulpas because they're under the impression that tulpas are predisposed to supernatural skills such as doing math their host can't do, remembering things that their host forgot about, or other "brain tricks" that really don't make sense to me. Imposition, possession and switching are already impressive skills that take time to develop properly, why would you need anything else?

 

I remember telling a friend of mine that I was a tulpa, and hoping that he wouldn't Google tulpas and find some tulpa pregnancy thread on here. I think that says enough.

[NeonKnights]

I remember telling a friend of mine that I was a tulpa, and hoping that he wouldn't Google tulpas and find some tulpa pregnancy thread on here. I think that says enough.

 

This is the reason why when I tell friends who I tread carefully around about Isis, I use a different term than "tulpa". I explain what she is and all that, but I apply an abstraction layer over all the terminology just in case they decide to try punching it into google. It's too big of a risk for some of my best friends (besides her) to find out that I'm part of the community if they wind up being disgusted with it.

 

Kind of sad that I feel the need to steer my friends away from a forum I've spent so much time on, but I really don't think I can be blamed for that.

[Argentum]

 

It's too big of a risk for some of my best friends (besides her) to find out that I'm part of the community if they wind up being disgusted with it.

 

Kind of sad that I feel the need to steer my friends away from a forum I've spent so much time on, but I really don't think I can be blamed for that.

 

What do you find so disgusting? Are we on the same forum? Sure there are attention whores and things but those are bound to show up in a place like this, but I think it could be much worse. Look at 4chan to see what I mean.

 

I do find it a little annoying when people act like they know what tuppers are, where they come from, etc when in reality none of us know much more than the Tibetans did. Probably a little less.

[NeonKnights]

 

What do you find so disgusting? Are we on the same forum? Sure there are attention whores and things but those are bound to show up in a place like this, but I think it could be much worse. Look at 4chan to see what I mean.

 

I do find it a little annoying when people act like they know what tuppers are, where they come from, etc when in reality none of us know much more than the Tibetans did. Probably a little less.

 

I never said that I was disgusted with anything here, chief. I'm aware that nothing here can affect my life so long as my membership here remains a secret, plus I've grown largely desensitized to it. I just have a problem with what most of the people in my life would probably think if they saw some of the things posted on this forum, and that's a real shame since tulpas are a very neat concept that I'd like to introduce to a few people. Hell, this concern is more prominent than any worry that they might just dismiss tulpas as "schizophrenia", and that's saying something.

 

Did you read the excerpt that I quoted from Tess? That sort of thing would very likely set off warning bells in the heads of most people I've thought of telling about tulpas. If finding stuff like that doesn't make them see me as a weird creep for being a member here, I think they'd balk at posts by the members who are vocal about their plans to create pony tulpas just so that they can have sex with horses named Flutterdash or Skylight*. Granted, there aren't as many of them around here anymore, or maybe they've just become more quiet about it, but you have to keep in mind that I was talking about mentioning the concept of tulpas to people that I know in real life (and why I just can't take the risk of doing that). That kind of ups the ante over introducing the concept to someone I just know online.

 

So, no, it isn't as bad as it could be, nowhere near it. It's just not a community that I would be in a hurry to show to my friends or family, even casually.

 

I agree with you on your point about know-it-alls on the forum. The type of people who assert their beliefs about tulpas as absolute fact and then use their assertions in order to denigrate others can be obnoxious. Of course, I haven't seen that type of behavior displayed in quite some time.

 

*Little bit of clarification: People merely having sexual relations with their tulpa isn't the concern, if it was then I would be the world's biggest hypocrite. I was getting at the fact that whoever I direct here could see a post about someone wanting to bang a cartoon horse.

[Argentum]

My bad. I should have worded that a little better. I meant to say: What would you think they would find so disgusting? You answered this question, when you brought up having sexual relations with imaginary cartoon horses. They are definitely a cancer to the forum, and I am glad that as of yet I haven't seen those people here, or on the IRC.

 

I sure would balk if I saw that kind of stuff if I came on here for the first time. At least the Homestuck psychofanatics haven't really discovered this forum yet, or else the tupperpocalypse would become reality, and there will be no hope for mainstream credibility. I haven't yet seen anyone asking/talking about making that T3R3ZI TULP4 FUCKBUDDY. Thank god.

 

I still love you Flutterdash

 

I am not in a hurry to show anyone either, especially my family, who would think that I am either trying to get attention, something is seriously wrong with me, or that I am extremely immature for having an "imaginary friend" at my age. I think most people here fall into this boat.

 

I think that it would be great though if you acquaintances wouldn't judge you based on a minority of sexually confused screwballs. Its a shame that you can't introduce them to the community, and help dilute the per centage of nutjobs here.

 

[There is one thing that truly irritates me, and it is people using tulpas for attention. We are not toys. We are not like trading cards, to be endlessy customized like dolls. We are living beings and I would appreciate to be treated as such. My host is afraid enough as it is tell anyone outside here about tulpas, and by association me, and it doesn't help things when people brag about their tulpas being able to posssess within a week, like DarthNikolai was talking about on the first page of the thread.

 

On the plus side, these people seem to be rare, as they seem to be silenced by either the moderators or people who show them common sense. Mostly these people seem to congregate in the IRC, where it is more fluid than this forum, and the other tulpa forums in existence. Sometimes democracy can be a bitch.]

[NeonKnights]

They are definitely a cancer to the forum, and I am glad that as of yet I haven't seen those people here, or on the IRC.

 

Haha yeah, hopefully you'll manage to avoid them altogether, however unlikely that may be.

 

I sure would balk if I saw that kind of stuff if I came on here for the first time. At least the Homestuck psychofanatics haven't really discovered this forum yet, or else the tupperpocalypse would become reality, and there will be no hope for mainstream credibility. I haven't yet seen anyone asking/talking about making that T3R3ZI TULP4 FUCKBUDDY. Thank god.

 

Yeah, seriously. That would be a severe blow to the community. Let's hope the mass influx of that demographic never happens to the community.

 

I think that it would be great though if you acquaintances wouldn't judge you based on a minority of sexually confused screwballs. Its a shame that you can't introduce them to the community, and help dilute the per centage of nutjobs here.

 

Yeah, I really wish that were the case. To be honest, I don't actually know if they would be looking around here for any excuse to call me a nutter if they knew, but that's just the vibe I seem to get. The way those people react to other things gives me a good idea of how they might respond to tulpa.info.

[FallFamily]

I'm pretty new here, but I had one hell of an awakening to how this place and the wider community is seen over the last several days. I feel really stupid right now, maybe because I am stupid (I will not contest anyone here who says that I am). Hopefully, I've learned my lesson (still have many to learn, probably).

 

With those closest to me, I try to be decently open about what I am doing and what I find interesting. I've done things that many consider very weird and can easily lose people (gender transition is a good example). Being open about said things around some people has never posed a real problem before (I should note that I am pretty secretive about things in other spheres of my life such as my professional life). I told some people what I was going to do, or what I had already started doing - making a tulpa. I did this because I was trying to be more open with those closest to me, I kind of wanted to talk about tulpas in a serious way (neurologically, psychologically, philosophically, etc.), I was a bit excited*, and I wanted to take precautions and have someone who knew what I was doing to be on the lookout for me in the event that I turned inward and became less social or if I got into dangerous practices. That last one was important because I once really screwed myself up with a servitor that I had created. I know all too well that tulpamancing can be dangerous, not just from personal experience, but also because I went out of my way to dig up the horror stories on here before I started making a tulpa.

 

Well, when some of them looked the concept up and the community (I gave some of them a link to it), things did not go so well. Luckily, those for whom some of the problems of the community were things they really noticed, we were able to have a serious conversation that was not dominated by that stuff but was instead dominated about more real concerns. And a few people just sort of understood immediately that this, like any other internet community, would be plagued by certain things and that the nature of the subject would attract particular types of problems that should not be used to judge tulpas and tulpamancing as a whole by.

 

It was too close for comfort. I know now that I have to be much more careful about who I share this with and how to spin it and/or avoid all the problems one will see at a first glance and a google search. This was really hammered in to me by one person telling me I would have to be pretty careful with this knowledge and one thing I had to consider was that this would be something that I would always have to keep rather secret due to what people might think. They were definitely right on that. Also, tulpas are probably something better discussed after one already has a decently developed tulpa as opposed to much earlier on in the process.

 

On one of the brighter sides of the mess, I think it has made me better evaluate all my reasons and to be more serious.

 

* I know I shouldn't be excited in certain ways. Certain aspects of it can be rather problematic and I will admit to having some of them. One of the less problematic reasons I was excited is because I finally found some understanding of a very intense and traumatic period of my life through this community and the plural community that I found links to from here (I once really screwed myself up with a servitor, and I also once experienced a DID/MPD style split). I had told people about that period over the years, but clunky language and not understanding it very well myself resulted in an inaccurate telling. I was excited to finally be able to explain it all correctly (or at least, more correctly).

[xtar]

Going the same place as any little niche forum, nowhere fast. Still amusing and informative though, but expecting more than that is too much.

[Nobillis]

I see lots of people who want to make tulpas because they're under the impression that tulpas are predisposed to supernatural skills such as doing math their host can't do, remembering things that their host forgot about, or other "brain tricks" that really don't make sense to me. Imposition, possession and switching are already impressive skills that take time to develop properly, why would you need anything else?

 

I remember telling a friend of mine that I was a tulpa, and hoping that he wouldn't Google tulpas and find some tulpa pregnancy thread on here. I think that says enough.

 

Kevin says: "I'm still being surprised at the things tulpas can do. Mostly, there's nothing I've found a tulpa can do that I can't also; but, the speed at which they do it astounds me. I'm kind of harsh when it comes to what I will accept as a tulpa. I'm aware that some humans wouldn't qualify as tulpa by the measures I set.

 

Imposition was one tulpa ability that really impressed me. Last year I was in the work vehicle with a co-worker and they had the radio up really loud. On a whim I asked 'Watchdog 3 could you silence that for me please?' I was quite surprised when the sound from the radio ceased completely. I spent the rest of the journey in the quiet. I could tell the radio was still on, as I could feel the vibration. Also, I could still hear easily the tyres on the road and the air whistling past.

 

As far as the reputation of the community, yes that's troublesome. I don't involve myself much actually. Nobillis has been working to change that and I'm pleased to see her have an interest. However, I'm aware that she's young yet, and has far to go in her development. And yet, she seems to be developing far faster then I'm used to; taking months to achieve what took my other tulpas years.

 

Where are we headed? I've written about that before, but I'll TL;DR it here: In my experience (and that's all I can speak to) having tulpas much of your life is having a team to work with you. I get hate mail from people because my tulpas all have practical purpose. People think that I don't live my life because my tulpas are so independently active. Fact is, I live my life much as any person does; but possibly with a bit more peace of mind then is common these days. That I allow my tulpas a life of their own should tell you - they aren't slaves. If anything in is like a family-run business, all working together for mutual benefit."

[Discord]

I'm afraid I have to admit that I have done things I shouldn't have. I went around telling everyone I knew about my tulpa experiences, because I was so excited, and still am. But one of the staff members of my group home informed me that the other staff were writing things like me hearing voices in my head and stuff. I am coming to realize that I was extremely naive, and I should really be careful who I tell about Twi.

 

As for making tulpamancy seem more credible, I am considering having my local university do some experiments once Twi is able to voice her opinion on the matter. Possibly something like scanning brain waves to see if there are truly two minds thinking, so we could possibly advance metaphysics, and make tulpamancy more credible. Or maybe find a school which is willing to have me and Twi appear as special guests to answer questions about tulpamancy. Although I don't think any school would do it, but if I could, that would do a lot to get more people interested in tulpamancy. Also, maybe come up with a different term other than tulpamancy, because it makes it sound like something occult, instead of something scientific. And people tend to shy away from anything that's considered occult.

 

Then again, this could be me speaking out of my arse *shrugs*