Confessions of a Poorly Trained Tulpa

[Luminesce]

15. Drugs ... should not be used to enhance the experience of having a thoughtform or to create a thoughtform. These drugs are dangerous and should not be promoted in any way by Tulpa Info.

 

Well that's just, like, your opinion, man..

 

That's a moral of yours not shared by all though. Tulpa.info is not your classroom and your beliefs do not automatically override others'. But you are a member and you can still contribute, as I did in your thread on this topic. But yeah that was a bit too "My way or no way" for me, sorry for stating the obvious. Everyone chooses for themselves, but it may be a good idea to make more of an effort to give the whole story on drug use. I pretty much summed that stuff up in my other post though, so..

[jean-luc]

I`m always against `all drugs are bad mmkay`. I swallow cetrizine hydrochloride pills regularly

*audience gasps*

they`re allergy pills.

*audience un-gasps*

And even all illegal drugs, what about marijuana? It`s legal in some states, it doesn`t harm you in moderation (just like everything else). I haven`t looked into shrooms enough to know, but I would assume the same would apply. I think a much more reasonable approach is to tell people to know about what they`re inputing thoroughly before doing it. I would argue that you should always be fair, instead of only telling people about the bad effects, tell them of the desireable ones as well.

[Guest Anonymous]

I would argue that you should always be fair, instead of only telling people about the bad effects, tell them of the desireable ones as well.

 

Can you give me the good effects of LSD or bath salts that would justify their use to to a teenager thinking to make a super real imaginary friend jean-luc? That is my point in all this my friend. Should I discuss the good effects of huffing from a paint can to my teens at the high school wanting to know how to make something like Melian? There are good sides to it I am sure!

[Guest Anonymous]

Davie and I need to take a break from this forum for a long while. We have to decide how we feel about things and in what capacity we will return. It will be at least several days break from it.

 

I want to say something before we leave:

 

Mental illness is not a badge of honor or something to be proud of. It is not a lifestyle, it is an illness. Tulpamancy is not mental illness, and mental illness is not tulpamancy. The two are distinct from one another or should be. We are not and will not celebrate psychosis (or manic psychosis) as some sort of higher plane of perception. It is mental illness.

 

These two attitudes are killing our interest in and respect for tulpamancy and the tulpa community:

 

1. celebrating forms of mental illness as legitimate aspects of tulpamancy

 

2. condoning the use of psychedelic drugs as an aspect of tulpamancy

 

If you have a psychosis, quit bragging about it to me. I am not impressed. It is not a badge of honor. Seek medical attention instead.

 

Definition of Psychosis. Psychosis: In the general sense, a mental illness that markedly interferes with a person's capacity to meet life's everyday demands. In a specific sense, it refers to a thought disorder in which reality testing is grossly impaired.

 

Quit speaking to me about your drug trips and schizophrenia or DID. We will ignore any posts about it. Mental illness is not tulpamancy. Drug trips are not tulpamancy. You are hurting the entire concept by mixing it up with these things. We are losing our respect for it very quickly.

 

Please don't respond to this post. I am not looking to debate these issues. You are wasting your breath and it will only anger me. Good bye for a long while.

 

[Luminesce]

Wow, you don't appreciate my purposeful inducement of visual hallucinations...

 

Well, imposition shouldn't ever reach a point where you can't distinguish your imagination from reality. I understand your displeasure at the amount of drug use on tulpa.info, though I don't see people having as many issues with it as you claim they do, maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. Regardless it is a solid grounds to be upset over. The internet is full of stuff like that. At the lowest end, people are extremely offended by the fact that swearing is so commonplace. And towards the higher ends, they're disgusted by fetishism and, I don't know, false identities. Drug use, slander, racism, and even LGBT matters, they're all things people may take issue with being so abundant on the internet. But that's people, and it's what you sign up for when you open your browser.

 

You are free to try and change it, but you'll realize fairly quickly that one person is not going to sway so many in a meaningful way. If you can't condone the use of drugs on tulpa.info, I can understand you not wanting to participate in the community. I personally don't see much problem with it as people are free to decide what they do with their lives and are pretty much always users before coming here, but I agree in that threads on the subject always seem to encourage and never discourage their use. So there may be a real threat for those highly susceptible to peer pressure or other such things.

 

But hey, that's why I'm here to make sure they know it's not all fun and games. Not just with drugs, either. I want to make sure everyone gets the full story on everything, there's not enough people here who do that. But it helps that I'm not easily worried by internet postings, having grown up with them. If you can't stand being in an environment like that, I can understand not wanting to be here. It's just my personal opinion that it's worth it for the help you can offer others.

[Akecalo]

We are sorry that you feel you have to step back from this community but we understand.

 

Mental illness is not a badge of honor or something to be proud of. It is not a lifestyle, it is an illness. Tulpamancy is not mental illness, and mental illness is not tulpamancy.

 

I myself have been through some very hard times with depression and ptsd. These were induced by to external events. No one knows better than I do that these are debilitating things. That time was the second worst experience of my life.

 

I find it interesting to note that as things got worse, I was much less able to perceive and respond to my tulpas, until at it's very worst, I lost them completely for a while. The mental structures were still there, I guess, but I couldn't focus enough to perceive them. I think that made the experience as a whole even worse than it already was. The mental illness severely impared my tulpamancy, made everything so much harder.

 

I know as well as anyone that it is not something to be proud of, except maybe proud that one has overcome the tragedy that is mental illness. It should also not me made out to be a source of shame, it is illness, nothing more, nothing less.

 

I went from having reasonably imposed tulpas, who enriched my life, to having no contact with them, then climbed back to a state of relative wellbeing, with somewhat imposed tulpas once again. I was pleased to recover them. While not fully out of the woods yet, I am pleased to have made much progress in that direction.

 

We are sorry that you have felt that you had to make this decision, and hope that you will find it possible to return. In any community there will be those who make use of chemical aids to do whatever they are trying to do. Even those who evangelise on the subject. Likewise there will be those who have suffered or are suffering mental illness. It is not necessary to agree with the responses of others, in fact it can be detrimental to a community if only a single opinion can be expressed. A selection of disparate opinions can strengthen a community, and if they don't chances are the community had cracks under the surface anyway.

 

We understand your decision, and hope that you see your way to returning eventually. If those with independent opinions all leave those who are left will simply be repeating the same thing to each other without end, untill the heat death of the universe. That cannot be healthy for the community.

 

Good luck in all of your future endeavours.

[Guest Anonymous]

@Luminesce and @Akecalo

 

We have thought it all over and are content with putting "Proud to be a Drug Free Thoughtform" in our comment signature, which will be in every post we do. We can avoid posts blatantly advocating drug use in the future. Everyone knows our position on it now and I am glad it is out there.

 

As far as mental illness, we were discussing schizophrenia and DID specifically and not depression or PTSD. We are not sure if discussing tulpas with persons diagnosed with these illnesses is a good idea for them or for the community. In our opinion, they should avoid tulpamancy altogether as they are dealing with these illnesses which negatively affect the capacity to function normally and distinguish fantasy-hallucinations from reality. Again, Davie and I can simply avoid the posts from such individuals instead of being judging or hostile. We would be giving in to the community which, by consensus, seems to want to maintain neutrality on the subject. We think that is a mistake that hurts the credibility of the tulpa community in the end. But that is just one little opinion. Those with the disorders should be discouraged from doing tulpamancy without discussing it first with their therapist or doctor. Davie and I will not give direct advice to these individuals in creating tulpas or thoughtforms, as any advice may be harmful to them in their condition. It would be irresponsible and unethical to do so.

 

All that being said. We are happy to be back to the forum and ready to carry on. No we will not discuss the above issues any further.

[Guest Anonymous]

Uhhh, Davie and I decided to write about me and alcohol, after we did all this ranting bout drugs and stuff. It's cause we thought bout it after drinking a bunch of mead at Faerieworlds. https://community.tulpa.info/thread-melian-gets-drunk-tulpas-and-alcohol

[Guest Anonymous]

When Melian types online, or I channel her or proxy her or whatever you want to call it, it really is just more day dreaming about her. It's cool though to share the day dream with others. This is not a hypothesis, it is fact. I can tell you the Melian Show day dream extends right into the forum and chat room. You guys, when you interact with her, become part of the show. It is silliness, drama and attention seeking absolutely for a fact. I do want to share her as an example of a day dream thought form, but when she talks it is the MELIAN SHOW. Always the Melian Show.

[jean-luc]

Damnit Mistgod, I thought we agreed it didnt matter, and you werent going to talk about it anymore. I certainly wouldnt like being called a day dream...