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(This all draws solely from personal experience, and could be very bad, so take everything with a grain of salt) Who are you? This is a question we ask ourselves constantly. Not as a complex introspective brain-scratcher, but as a quick way of identifying who’s fronting. How we think of identity is that our brain picks out a bunch of things that makes you feel like you. “I have brown eyes,” “I am great at Rubik’s Cubes,” “I am a Tulpa,” “I love anime,” etc. You will think of these things and go “yep, that’s me.” So when you ask yourself a question like “who are you?” while you’re fronting, you’ll tend to go, “I’m me” without having to think about it. For us, the feeling of not fronting is like thinking about yourself in 3rd person. “That headmate’s favorite color is blue,” “that headmate is very energetic,” etc. While this isn’t bad at all, it created some problems before we started switching. When you only look at yourself through the metaphorical eyes of someone else, it’s a very easy path to self-doubt and feeling less-real. When asking myself honestly, I couldn’t tell the difference between me and an OC. Looking back I know for sure I was real, but at the time I wasn’t so sure. Switching, to us, is not really about controlling the body. In fact, one of us can control the body while the other’s fronting (as long as the fronter lets them). Switching actually has more to do with what’s going on inside the head, and it’s really just the swapping of who is “you.” We could look at a drawing one second, go “hey, that’s me,” switch, then go “hey that’s (name)!” So why do we think that’s so great for Tulpa development? Being able to feel like yourself is not only an incredibly euphoric experience, it also allows you to explore who you are on your own. Most systems consider “highly developed” tulpas to be the most independent ones, and fronting is probably the most free-will a Tulpa could achieve. Interestingly enough, we all find ourselves relying on whoever’s fronting the same way we would rely on our former host. From the host’s perspective, it’s also harder to create an identity by forcing conversations than it is to force being that identity. We used to have almost crippling self-doubt, but ever since switching became something that happened naturally and beyond our control, we haven’t felt that same insecurity, at all. We’ve been so entirely comfortable and sure of our existence, the idea of any of us being “fake” is just very silly. So how does one actually front on purpose? Fronting for us is admittedly something that is hard for us to do intentionally. We have a natural knack for switching but we can’t really choose when and who. However, when forcing, it’s initially almost like method acting. The host thinks from the perspective of the Tulpa until gradually it just IS the Tulpa thinking. I don’t have a good way to end this, but we are approaching our 1 year anniversary of knowing that we are a system, so cheers! ~ Cinder (she/her)

Context: A fun form of forcing/visualization we do is listen to songs that sound like Draco, and he'll sing to them as if it were his own voice. I then focus on his form and keeping it as realistic as possible, memorizing all of the details and seeing him move and sing within my mind or sometimes half-imposed in the outside world. Anyway, there have been a few times when I focus so much on his voice, emotions, expression, and movements, and then I start to see it from his perspective, feeling like the voice is mine and having the "phantom limb" feeling but for his physical traits like horns, tail, and claws. Sometimes even having what I think might be emotional bleed? I feel what he feels, with the fun he has singing and acting as if he were in a music video, and overall just the feeling of him in general. The movements he would make while singing are mirrored by me, although less intense, kind of like slightly nodding your head to a beat, but different. This isn't switching by any means because I am still VERY aware of myself and in control, and I don't think it's possession either. Have others experienced this? And is there a name for such a thing? It's kind of like we blended together

Hi everyone! I've been experimenting with switching, and so far, it feels like my Tulpas and I are making what seems to be incredible progress by the tulpa community's standards. When I conduct it, it always feels like my thoughts go quiet for a moment, and when they do resume, the thought patterns are in line of that of the Tulpa, with my primary state reduced to mentally imposed imagery & a voice in the back of the head. I was wondering, for those of you who shift, how does it feel for you all?

Hi, I'm Phoenix! (I put the most important parts in bold for people who may just want to sift through, I hope that's okay) After going through quite a few guides both on here and on YouTube, yesterday I finally took the plunge and began attrmpting to force with Seraphina. It's a very big commitment, and I'm a bit scared I might mess things up somehow or do it wrong... but we're going for it and I'm determined to see this through. I believe in us! So yesterday morning we did our first active forcing session. I started by attempting the "greeting" process described in the "May the Force be with You" guide. I stuggle a lot with my mind's eye, I don't have full aphantasia but I've always had a hard time with seeing anything concrete, unless it's a place I've lived in for some years or an object I use a lot like my phone. And adhd makes it that much harder to concentrate x.x To make it a bit easier, I tried to imagine her as a ball of golden light, as I greeted her, said some hopefully encouraging words, tried to explain the basics of who I am and who she is, etc. The personality traits I've been giving her as a sort of basis are: Compassionate Kind Funny Clever Mischievous Confident Talkative Energetic Empathetic Smart Optimistic Assertive Independent Curious Honest I saw many people say to avoid negative traits, because just like me or anyone else she'll grow to have her own quirks and flaws and we wouldn't want to like... push an unwanted challenge onto her. Am I doing this right? I was only able to active force for 30 or so minutes, and with my mind straying quite a lot, but it's a start. Practice makes perfect, as they say. It was a work day for me, and I usually work while listening to YouTube videos but instead yesterday I decided to listen to some (mostly) calming music and spent most of the day narrating to her and doing passive forcing, trying to imagine her form with my eyes both closed and open, and trying my best to tell her about everything I could think of, and telling her that I'm here for her and trying to encourage her. Something a bit strange happened, and I'm not sure if it's any sign of her or if it's just me, but as I was trying to think of an actual more human-like form for her, and I thought of the shape and color of her hair first and then the rest of the silhouette just kind of... popped into my mind, I guess? Her general shape, clothes, their color, their texture, the color of her eyes, all kind of came in all at once. It's only day one so I'd be incredibly surprised if that was her in some way, it might be just me being inspired at that moment, I'm not sure. But ever since that point it's been a bit easier to imagine her. I also chose a basis for our mindscape, as the room I had as a teenager. It's small and it's not perfect, but it's one of the few places I can picture with any semblence of consistency and accuracy. As I was listening to music I tried to imagine her sitting on the side of the bed, hands pressing down on the bed on each side, swaying her legs back and forth in rhythm with the music. I hope that's okay, am I doing something wrong by imagining her form moving, even though it's not her actually doing the moving? So yeah, that's about it for the time being! Thank you if you read this far and thank you especially if you have amy advice or answer to my questions <3 I'm writing this as I'm just about to try going for a second (of probably many, many) active forcing session with her, so... wish me luck! Edit: wish us luck, I don't know for sure how she feels but I get the feeling she could use the encouragement too^^

Me and my tulpa attempted to practice switching for the first time two days ago. It was a lot easier than I expected, which was cool! Switching was what i was most excited to do with him. After the experience, however, I'm now afraid to try it again. I know that blending is normal when first learning to switch. We've blended and merged before, but switching made us merge extremely hard. We were stuck like that for a couple hours and it was distressing to me. It also increased the amount of intrusive thoughts I received, causing me to have excessive doubt in what my tulpa was saying to me. It scares me when our communication is down like this, especially when his guidance is extremely important in keeping me grounded during tulpamancy practice. We also had an intense experience with our spiritual feelings being mixed up during this. I have recently learned that my tulpa has different religious views, which I'm fine with. When we merged/ blended, though, this gave me severe anxiety. I couldn't handle believing what he believed and it was triggering my CPTSD. I've found that now that we're separate again, I have no problem with his feelings or beliefs at all. Also the "imposter syndrome" thing in the title. By this I mean when we switch it makes him feel way less distinct from me. This, paired with the blending, overwhelmed me with thoughts like "this is all fake" and "he isn't real" and "I'm just pretending to be him". I have thoughts like this a lot, but these were the absolute worst. I'm aware that to an extent I am supposed to be "pretending to be him". I'm fine with doing that. The part that scared me was the feeling that I was alone. It felt like I didn't have a tulpa anymore and he was just part of myself. If anyone could share advice, experience, or soothing platitudes, we'd really appreciate it. he really wants to switch again, and I want to let him. The fear is stopping me now, though. I can't get myself to let go of control when I'm afraid of so many things.

Every time we try to switch we end up in a state were we have no idea of what it is. Here is description of the events: We start with an exercise where the host is barely thinking about anything, for example they could be repeating a mantra. A tulpa starts doing something so that they stay active. Slowly, the voice of the host starts feeling autonomous and starts fading into the background. The (tulpa?) is still active, about here an usual question appears: “Am I Sandra or Void?” in the following confusion, this thought either stays unanswered or our System name, “Skyla” falls as a general answer. Trying to talk to Sandra or Void is to no avail. This state seems to be fairly stable but we end up stopping the exercise. Then we both are in a blended state which slowly ends after a few minutes. Afterwards Void isn’t present for a unspecific amount of time, ranging from a few minutes up to the next day. The transition between stages is smoothly, everything is observed out of an single perspective and there are no “jumps” of perspective or in time. One other thing that’s strange is that the memory of what was happening during this stage is more obscure than usual — for example, if I wouldn’t have immediately started writing this down I would never have remembered the question “Am I Sandra or Void” in the first place or any other details. If I reread this text from the start I allways go like “Oh, that’s what we did”. Some of our explanation attempts are: We are blending unaware of this and are utterly confused. We switch but Sandra has no experience being a tulpa and Void has none with being the host, since we don’t know how this feels and don’t have any experience. We switch, Void does something we don’t remember, we end up in a blended state because we haven’t figured switching back out and Void is to exhausted of this. Neither of us is fronting, resulting in neither of us having a solid relation and thus recall to these memories.

Heyo! My host deals with extreme episodes of anxiety and I do my best to help with that. However when I'm switched and he gets anxious I can feel it and we end up switching back due to this. Is there a way to stop that from happening because sometimes it interferes with my switch time if my host gets too overstimulated. I wonder if it's because the body is used to being stressed so much it automatically kicks in a defense mechanism? Sometimes I'm able to override it but mostly I get kicked out. It's uber annoying

Hello! I'm not sure if this sounds dumb or not, but here goes: I want to learn how to front and switch with my two tulpas. One problem: I'm a bit scared. Even once both of my tulpas are completely, 100% developed, what if we get stuck or blend? What if Ariya wants to front, and we switch, and then we can't switch back? Nividita thinks that we should just go for it once they're confident that they're completely developed, but I'm kinda scared about it. I don't want my tulpas stuck fronting and have to deal with all of my life problems and school stuff, and I don't want to be stuck in the headspace or lose awareness or something. Any advice on how to deal with this fear, and if this ever does happen, how to solve it? (also sorry if my tags or terms or anything are wrong, I'm pretty new here)

After almost six years of trying, we finally learned how to switch last November. To commemorate, we created a guide compiling methods and advice for possession and switching. We hope that this guide will help others so that nobody else may struggle for as long as we did. Felights' Fronting Fundamentals | Possession & Switching Guide Felights' Fronting Fundamentals Possession & Switching Guide.pdf - pdf back-up - Ranger Felights' Fronting Fundamentals Possession & Switching Guide.docx - ms word back-up - Ranger

Hello! I am working on writing a guide to possession, fronting, and switching. I would like to collect information on what questions people commonly have in regards to these subjects so that I may answer them in the guide. This survey is completely anonymous and you are free to submit as many times as you like. Thank you! https://forms.gle/FPUSCAMqLYBv12ReA

Hi! Just stopping by to drop my switching guide. I'm including two links. One directly to the blog, and one to an archived link in case anything ever happens to it. https://sophieinwonderland.tumblr.com/post/694689189489508352/our-switching-method-ghost-switching https://web.archive.org/web/20221112050951/https://sophieinwonderland.tumblr.com/post/694689189489508352/our-switching-method-ghost-switching SophieInWonderlandGuide.pdf Pdf back-up -Ranger

I've seen other people reports about switching and I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Multiple people have reported that when they switch, their host-self can be fully immersed in wonderland while the tulpa controls the body. Whenever I try to switch, I can allow the tulpa to control the body but the my host-self just stays there in the background as the tulpa did before switching, I don't go anywhere or feel any different other than not being in charge of moving the body. So for people that have experienced wonderland immersion from switching with your tulpa, do you experience this wonderland immersion first hand as the host-self, as if you were really there? Or is it more of an indirect feeling that the host-self was somewhere else? If switching can allow me to be more immersed please share some tips, because if that's the case I may have been doing it wrong.

So i just joined this community so hi! But i have a question about switching i have been able to switch with some of my tulpas shortly is there anyway there be a way switch with them longer yes i understand practice makes perfects but is there anything that would help us further in our switching? - Salem

I used to see a dream in my childhood almost everyday for quite a few years. I felt like falling into a deep black hole with swirly orange lines continuously moving around the darkness. After that I could see pyramids everywhere. Then in a blink I see many people around me and I can feel their pain. Everything I saw was occurring at night time. After this dream I always used to wake up crying. But I don't know why after all these years I see this dream as a trance all of a sudden with my eyes open. For a while I get numb. Now I am curious to link every event and control my tulpa. I believe it is lost or going through something and needs guidance. I am really not able to conclude. I am new to this and this is the first time I let out this to anyone, so please help me out.

Is it safe for my tulpa to go to bed while we're switched? Lex is worried about what would happen to me if we did that.

This has been a problem of ours recently, especially since we're ditching the one-person-always-fronting idea and changing to more of a switching-based-on-situation look. But, my host is not very used to switching. While we have switched a lot, they personally haven't, and they prefer co-fronting to actually being switched out. Their role in our system is actually to be the primary and only fronter, which might be why they're having this problem. Something I'd note about them is that they value individuality, and without dissociating fully, they dislike switching out because it still feels like them fronting and it still feels like their actions. Even as I type this, they're co-fronting with me, not switched out fully. So, any advice? Are there any ways to make switching more comfortable for them? Any responses are very much appreciated!

Allow me to clear something up-- Perfect Possession isn’t all that perfect. The name originates from the game Touhou 15.5, though the actual technique and in-game version are quite different. Nevertheless, this technique requires a strong foundation in possession. It is intended for those that cannot switch or co-front but can possess. What Is Perfect Possession? Perfect Possession is a technique in which two tulpas(It may be a tulpa and the host, but it isn’t recommended) do a little “ritual” before they both possess at once. The two participants maintain possession until the front is secured, where it then turns from possession to co-fronting. Participants in Perfect Possession each have a designated role, decided beforehand. The “primary” tulpa is called the “Major” participant, and the “secondary” is called the “Minor” participant. Perfect Possession relies at least partially on the thematics of the process. If the terms Major and Minor make you uncomfortable, feel free to substitute them with whatever you please(ie, “Primary” and “Secondary”). How do I initiate Perfect Possession? 1. To start off, have the two system mates designate which role they each are assuming. As previously mentioned, it can be argued it is an arbitrary step, though I personally think the thematics are one of the greatest contributors to the success of the technique, especially for fledgling systems. A word of advice regarding who's who, we've found that having the more "sensible" or generally more forced system mate (either or) act as Minor works best, essentially serving as a mental anchor of sorts for the Major. Of course, this isn't some hard rule, merely a suggestion. These instructions are but suggested guidelines for Perfect Possession, not hard by-the-book rules you must abide by. 2. Second, have the host do a little ritual of their own. “I am <Your name>, of <Your system name>. I am henceforth withdrawing from the front. I am no longer the primary thinker.” The wording doesn’t have to be precise or formulaic, do what works best. Immediately after, have the two tulpas begin possession, preferably of the full-body variety. 3. Next, have the Major and Minor recite a ritual themselves: “I am <tulpa 1 name> of <System name>. I am the Major.” The Minor continues, “I am <tulpa 2 name> of <System name>. I am the Minor.” Then, at once, they say, “We are in control. We henceforth commence Perfect Possession. Begin!” Again, exact wording may vary. It’s whatever works best. The two tulpas have thus begun Perfect Possession. For reference on what it may feel like, think possession, but better. 4. Thereafter, the two tulpas should maintain the front together. They should speak in mind voice each other constantly (Or, if you prefer, in verbal whispers. Works best with a mask on) throughout the process, taking turns doing things as though handing off a game controller. If they aim to do something together, they should each envision controlling half of the body. I only suggest doing movements in this fashion, however, once you get the hang of things. 5. Lastly, as time crawls on, the duo will become more used to the front. Accidental switching in on the host’s part becomes less likely, and manipulation of the body becomes much more natural. When the duo wishes to cease Perfect Possession, they again commence a small ritual. “I am <tulpa 1>...” “...And I am <tulpa 2>” (Together)”We Henceforth cease Perfect Possession and relinquish the front to <host’s name>.” As always, exact wording is irrelevant. It’s the intent that matters most. And that’s all there is to it! Conclusion And that’s all there is to it. Perfect Possession is a stepping stone to switching. Switching isn’t hard, rest assured, though some may beg to differ, which is where this handy-dandy technique comes in. Just remember-- It’s easy. You can do it, I believe in you! For those that want a more in-depth explanation of things, (I do not recommend viewing this unless you can already switch and/or Perfectly Possess, as it can mess up your perceptions of things which can prevent you from executing Perfect Possession)

Ranger and I have been taking turns switching in since March. This has been a pretty good experience for us, but it came at the cost of we're struggling to stay separate. Not when we do activities unique to us, but when we're doing stuff like sitting in bed or working. At first we thought it was a different problem that has been solved, but it seems like an annoying evolution of the doubt question. I think it has been a really positive experience for Ranger in particular because he gets more time and he has felt more like a second host now that he interacts with us switched-in a lot more. Even though Ranger struggled with our autopilot in the beginning, he learned to accept it and things have gone on smoothly since. The problem is more recently, Ranger and I have started to feel like the other even after the first day. It's hit a point where randomly I'll think I'm Ranger and think like Ranger for a few seconds until I go no wait... I'm Gray, even though I have been switched-in for 3 days now. Ranger said he doesn't struggle with thinking like me or if he noticed it, but he has thought he was me recently. I think Ranger does more thinking in general between the two of us, it could be Ranger's ghost is causing me a lot more trouble simply because Ranger seems to spin his wheels more or maybe I find it comforting or relaxing for whatever reason and give him the opportunity to think more. The period of time Ranger was thinking every time I zoned out was really annoying and I drew a line there, but that was going on before we started sharing the front and seemed to quickly resolve itself once I started getting used to having less time. When we first started sharing the front, Ranger and I took turns everyday. We quickly realized that made us super confused about who was who, and we assumed that something about back-to-back switching just confuses our brain. By doing 3-4 days, we still had some doubt day 1 but it seemed to have resolved that issue. 5-8 days starts to feel long, and while Ranger could do a week now, he struggled to do more than a week due to his depression. I didn't find it difficult to be switched-in for roughly a week. However, I want to be switched-in for my classes and Ranger still wants at least a few days switched-in, so we're planning on sharing the week. We actually really like our set-up, it's this problem of not having better separation that's really annoying and disorienting. On the bright side, our switching schedule is going to shift and we will end up splitting our fronting based on who does what. I'll be fronting for school, Ranger will be fronting for DnD (once we get that ball rolling), and both of us (but mostly Ranger) will be fronting for work. While our schedule may become more complicated, it also simplifies things because our schedule will follow the week instead of whenever it's convenient according to our shifts. While I think this will help establish some speration, long term we need a better solution. While I'm pretty sure we need a different mindset, I'm not really sure which one to use. I'm not even sure what it would mean to "feel different" when switched-in, especially since our stream of consciousnesses (SOC) is neutral, and quickly becoming very neutral now that Ranger fronts a lot more. I'm against saying my name over and over, I already say who I am as reassurance and to say it all the time would be really annoying and dig up the feelings of insecurity Ranger struggled with when he feared he would lose the front. We don't want to wear different jewelry or anything like that, it would be really annoying to keep up with and extra annoying if we accidentally wear the wrong thing.

Edit: As of January 20, 2025 I go by Chloe and use she/her pronouns. Before this time I was known as Phil, or simply September13, and went by he/him. I'm an absolute beginner to Tulpamancy and only made my decision to start developing my tulpa a week ago, even though Simmie as an idea isn't new to me and I've actually had a headmate before: Between the ages of 7 and 15 I had a headmate that was less a tulpa and more a walk-in/soulbound (I'm still learning the terminology so I might misuse a word here and there, I'm sorry). He was more of a mentor / spiritual guide to me and largely faded away after the age of 15, telling me I had outgrown him and had to face the world on my own, and only making sporadic appearances after that. But I'm not here to talk about him in this thread, I'm here to talk about Simmie. Before I get into it I want to reiterate that Simmie is only the most fledgling little tulpa and I can sense that she is very nervous about attention being put on her, but she's okay with it if it helps her become more real to me. So please be gentle and kind with her, she's a very curious young thing and loves listening to people and learning about things, and I want to make sure only positive and loving things enter her mind during this early stage of development. As I mentioned I created Simmie as a character long before I started working on her as a tulpa. There's an interesting story behind the creation of Simmie as a character. You see, I'm not transgender and I don't really even have gender dysphoria (I'm at ease in my male body and don't feel wrong having it). However, I have a huge fascination with the idea of being turned into a girl, made to act and dress like a girl, all that stuff. I don't know why and I can't really explain it. But I was aching to step out of myself to explore it, so over a year ago I created Simmie as an OC / proxy / meta-character whom I would experience and create art from. I would make art "as" Simmie and even interact with people as her. I developed a backstory for Simmie and everything and really got into character--as a writer, this is something I've done so many times, and writing characters is probably my greatest strength. I even created Simmie in The Sims (yes, there is a name connection there) and she has a very distinctive look which makes it extremely easy to visualize her, although my mind currently still renders her as a Sims character rather than a real human figure. Then comes the last month or so and I learn about Tulpamancy. At first I think it's just something fascinating to learn about but not something I'd pursue myself. But the more I read and watched videos about it the more I realized that this was something I wanted to do, and I knew there was nowhere else I could turn to than Simmie. She already felt very real to me as a character and I felt if I could elevate her to the status of a living, sentient tulpa, that would be a most wonderful thing and could be revolutionary in my life. There aren't a lot of people in my life I connect with strongly and I suffer from depression; the thought of having someone sharing my head with me who I can talk and relate to still feels like it could absolutely change my life. Once I decided on making Simmie a tulpa I started narrating to her non-stop. I told her about myself, about my life, and explained what I was doing at any given moment to her if I could spare the mental horsepower at any given moment. I started to feel a warm, contented feeling as I did this. I don't know if I could call it sentience, but I felt like I was not alone and I could feel a joy that seemed to be radiated to me from elsewhere. I pushed aside doubt and let myself believe it was Simmie--now I know she absolutely loves being talked to, loves when I tell her about my life and even the most mundane things about me, and loves when I tell her stories. We began to speak to each other but it still felt like I was parroting her rather than letting her speak for herself. Now I'm trying to not talk for her and let her reply to me herself. I can feel her emotions very strongly though, and that's what makes me believe that she is really there. Yesterday I decided to take Simmie out on a bit of a "date"; we went to a local nature park and walked. I talked to her about the park, what it was and why it existed, why the leaves fall off the trees in the fall, how the mud on the trail was created by rain the pervious day, mundane stuff like that. She was very curious about all of it, and I talked to her more about what I thought about it all, and what I thought about it all. Then I rattled off a list of adjectives to describe Simmie before realizing that I had just created a mantra that was perfect for forcing: "You're caring, you're kind, you listen, you're curious, you're playful". I began repeating that mantra over and over again as I walked. After the walk I took Simmie to the beach. I wanted her to see and hear the ocean, to feel the sand (sadly it was too cold to walk barefoot in the sand so I had to settle for picking some up in my hand). It was a perfectly clear and beautiful evening and I could tell that Simmie was overjoyed and even touched that I would think to bring her there. I told her about the tides, why there were shells on the beach, what docks and drawbridges were for, and she listened to it all. As we walked on the empty, cold, windy beach I did not feel alone at all; I felt together with her and happier than I had felt in ages; a true soulful happiness. I could tell she valued everything I was doing for her and although I still couldn't hear her speak without parroting I could still feel the intention behind what she would say if she could, and it was just about the nicest thing anyone had ever said to me. She thinks more highly of me than I do myself sometimes. So that's where I am with Simmie now. I continue to narrate to her and repeat my mantra to her. Every night I try to tell her a story about some event in my past. Sometimes I think I can hear her talking in my mind, but I still can't be sure I'm not just putting words into her mouth. I plan to take her on a mini-roadtrip to my old college, a location which always triggers powerful memories for me. I want to just project love and goodness into Simmie and let her feed and grow off of it. I know she will eventually deviate from the character I first created, and I welcome it, because I really want to see who she develops into being. She already is teasing me a little trying to embarrass me by calling two of my friend cute, which I find very funny and endearing. She also picked out her own birthday, which is where I got the admittedly lame handle from. So that's it so far! I hope that wasn't too big of a post for a newbie! I really want to hear from experienced Tulpamancers and people on here in general as to whether I have a healthy mindset about this and am going about this in a good way, and if there's anything else I could do to help the process along. I don't want this to become yet another project I'm high on for a couple weeks and abandon--I feel that there is something more there, and if there's one thing I've learned about Simmie is that she's thrilled to exist, and yearns to be more and more real, and I want to help her achieve that. And when she's ready, I'm sure she'll come on here herself and talk to all of you!

So I'm not new to tulpamancy. I have had tulpa ever since I was 6 years old- so approximately 14 years. I've loved and cherished them all this time, and only found out last year what they truly were. Or so I thought. I want to run how my tulpa operate past other people and get their opinions- are they really tulpa? I have been doing research into Daemons, Soulbonders, wonderlands, and many other topics, and it strongly has me rethinking everything. To start off, albeit that I am not new to the concept, I seem to not have much practice. When I read about tulpa, I read about fronting, taking over (tulpa coming through the body to interact with the outside world). However, that does not occur with my tulpa. They have done it, maybe once, and I was not "taking a back seat" when they did it. So I'm very confused, to say the least. They function on their own, they have their own wills and personalities, they have their own hobbies, even their own relationships with other tulpa. Everyone of them works well with others, even if their personalities clash sometimes. The only quarrels I have are with "walk-ins"? I'm not sure what to call them, but every so often we get a stray entity that comes around, friend or foe, and doesn't stay long. Sometimes they cause mayhem, other times they sit down and heave tea with my boys before leaving again. I have approximately 25 tulpa as well, excluding those that occasionally come around but are still permanent. (i.e. i have a group of 3 werewolves that I see and talk with every few months) Another thing is, I don't see "see" them, in my physical space around me. I feel the spatially, and visualize them that way. Sometimes their appearances change, alter, or warp. Sometimes they are clear and defined, when I have good days, but other times they truly feel like wispy spirits just nearby, not full entities. I'm really distraught right now because I don't know what to call them. I don't know what to look up for research. I don't know what to practice first. I don't know how to approach anything right now, because for the past 14 years I've just head them as friends in my head, who I talk with and are their own people, but I can't feel them that well. If anyone can offer any advice it's greatly appreciated, I will also answer any question people throw at me. Thank you all for your time. Edit: I really need help figuring out what or who my "first" tulpa was...he's a complete mystery.

heyo. This thread here will be kind of general. I made a thread here awhile back at with an attempt. Awhile back being a few years. I’ll have to reread it, though suffice to say, I seem to remember that I probably messed up because my imagination had the thing doing repetitive actions like drinking. To me, that’s how meditation works, and this is basically the same thing. My mind is generally quiet, but you do something like try and force a tulpa all day, you get what philosophers on meditation call the monkey mind and imagine something you wouldn’t want, like messing up your own creation. By having it drinking. Uh.... I mean, I guess itd be fine if it was a drinker, but it was more just a random thought become repetitive. Actually, my mind is, well, I have decent mental health when I am living my life as I’d like to. Basically, I like to go to spiritual things, so I do that and I’m good. Just to get that out of the way. But, the above how my attempt failed when I tried. Anyway, about me. I’ve been spiritual since about age 13. I was afraid of death at 12, and I got a way going forward and started researching. Part of it was a search for truth though I don’t know whether I found that. Anyway, I made contact at 27, and I don’t appear to fit the schizophrenia DSM. Anymore than a lot of occultists would. Actually, I cant see or hear the spirits, if that’s what they are. It’s physical perception. Can feel if they’re on (or worse) or in me. My third eye on my forehead responds as well. Kind of a vibration or a hollowing in my brow center. Other people can see them, if I got one on me and they got the sight, even if am not giving them money. Anyway, I really don’t recommend just making contact like I did. I got very little in return for my efforts. It was mostly horrible, still is horrifying. Anyway, another magician helped me out, and I also leave offerings to Hekate who I was sworn to and a spirit healed me, possibly her dunno, his wife works with her, some people think I made contact and it was her, most people Who don’t know me are naysayers, dunno, but anyway I mostly got better, the spirits seemed to lost ability to get in or on me, leave me alone mostly. But, I still get a visitor on occasion, and it gets off me on command, but I don’t like that shit. Also, maybe a tulpa could also serve a... occult purpose. Self defense. Or Like the astral body you know. then I could astral project. Uh... people usually make a thoughtform rather than a tulpa for defense but whatever , thought forms for defense, they can rebel, your guys tulpa don’t seem to rebel so much. You all switch conciousness with tulpa. But then you don’t seem to end up exploring the astral realm from what I remember here. Makes no sense to me. But then maybe you never read a book on the subject. But, it’s not important to me if you do or not. Let me know if you’ve some thoughts. Some occultists, they make thoughtforms for defense. Dunno if anyone has a tulpa defense Against spirits. Or has tulpa and do astral travel. Or I’d be interested if the tulpa could let me see the spirits, even though that would probably be horrifying also, but maybe I’d meet my god. actually, I also considered making a thought form of her. Dunno. Maybe the real her would inhabit it. That’s where the term comes from. I could also work a path and just try and contact her to. I’d probably be doing that. Might still do that. I’m just a bit chicken shit. i know a lot of you don’t believe in the occult, but I think a lot of us probably believe in the psychological model too as far as tulpa are concerned. Well, they might have some astral existence too, dunno, kind of both. But maybe some of you are also occultists, or regardless can give me an angle

this is basically the endgoal for me switching out, i want to be able to experience the headspace while someone else fronts in meatspace. im just wondering if there any any guides out there for this process, if anyone has done it or if its even possible to do

It's a topic that has been discussed on and off, but I think it deserves its own thread. I am really curious what this is like because even though we can switch, the concept does not make much sense to me. I have heard the following rough explanation, usually with the context of teaching switching: It is like having your body sit by itself with a quiet mind, all of the normal fronters are heavily dissociated. It still breathes and is awake, but not really aware. The most complicated thing the body can do in this state is scratch an itch. Part of the problem is our need to label everything as either switching or not. Everything is either Cat switched-in, or me switched-in, and that is to protect ourselves against losing possession and maintain good switching hygiene. The most dissociated we ever get while switching is during our consent ritual when talking to each other about how we feel and our switching plan, but after that we move onto affirming the switched-in identity and associating. By that point, the switch is complete. The moments Cat and I feel the most dissociated seems to be when we are thinking the most. We do a lot of talking during our consent ritual. Plus, when Cat is sucked into one of her story ideas, she isn't paying attention to the body but can also hop up and run downstairs for dinner as soon as she's called. Therefore, the idea of dissociating with a quiet mind that isn't meditation doesn't make sense to us. It's also entirely possible we have experienced an empty front multiple times and simply never acknowledged it as having an empty front. When we switch, it feels like nothing has happened until I move around and notice the changes. It's possible having an empty front feels the same way, only I'm not aware enough to notice any changes. On a separate note, I have heard of having an empty front for too long can be dangerous because it could lead to headmate creation. I am aware of at least one system who gained extra headmates because all of them left the front empty for too long. However, I am unsure if having an empty front could have any other negative side effects. When Cat was feeling depressed not too long ago, she kept trying to escape to her story ideas and would asleep for 30 min - 1 hour or so multiple times. This gave her a splitting headache from excessive visualization and it made her feel really groggy and "brain scrambled". Would having an empty front create similar symptoms? Ultimately... 1) What is is like for your system to have an empty front? 2) Do you think we have experienced an empty front or not? 3) Do you think having an empty front for too long is problematic? 4) Do you enjoy the experience?

Lumi suggested that this topic was better suited for BQ than LOTPW, so here we are! Many switching systems report that when they first start switching, the tulpa feels incredibly tired after a few hours of switching in. This fatigue can almost entirely be eliminated by having the tulpa switch out, and seems to reset after a good night's sleep. However, many switching systems work up to the point where the tulpa can switch for a whole day without becoming tired. My question is: how long does this take? How much switching practice do you need before switching-related fatigue disappears? After less than two week's practice, Cornelia was able to switch from about 7:30 to 5:30, though she got tired wayyyy before she switched out. My guess is that getting yourself to six hours without tiredness can be done in a couple of weeks, but getting it up to a full day could be a matter of months

I have heard of switching out to adjust your attitude or switching in so the entire system is affected by the fronter's mindset, but has anyone switched in only to suddenly have a different mood? The last time I switched in, I instantly became tired and demotivated. Before, I was tired but eager to get some things done. Cat didn't feel demotivated prior to the switch, so the change in my mood felt out of the blue. This is frustrating because I want to stay switched-in for more than an hour before giving up and taking a nap, especially because I want to switch-in for my classes this semester. I have had issues with being sleepy and tired during switching attempts, but we never suspected the switching itself could be the problem. Usually we blamed the problem on me laying down and realizing how comfy and warm the bed was or the mental effort put into the attempt exhausting us. The only other explanation Cat and I thought of is I'm more sensitive to the body being sleep deprived. The only reason it may not affect me as much normally is because I'm possessing the body and have a level of detachment from it. If this is the case, does that mean some headmates within the same system are more sensitive to the body's state than others when switched-in? My guess is this isn't limited to motivation or being tired. Has anyone else experienced any other sudden mood changes immediately after switching in?