The Destiny of a Tulpa (Pony)

[Linkzelda]

Before I explain, I just want you to know that you are completely free to do whatever you want when establishing a base for your pony tulpa.

 

Warning: Pony

I have been forcing for under a week and am still in the personality stage. However, my tulpa is a pony, and as such the personality has a great influence on the appearance of the pony. Therefore, I am designing my tulpa's form before I start the visualization stage. And so, my question is: should I give my tulpa a cutie mark?

 

I haven't paid much attention to the other responses in this thread (just glancing), but if I'm reading this correctly, shouldn't you be working on the personality rather than the form if you're concerned about your tulpa's demeanor? Anyway, I guess you meant you're making the personality in order to draw the base, and then visualize, so don't mind me.

 

 

Anyway, as for the cutie mark, like one user has stated, for the mark to have a significant value, it seems practical to conform to the mechanics in the MLP Universe. Of course, you are free to make any other values behind it for yourself. Either way, I suggest you at least write some meaning behind the mark, at least to get things laid out for you.

 

 

 

 

I want my tulpa to be the master of her own being, and forcing her special talent upon her may not make her happy. However, is it even possible for a pony tulpa to get a cutie mark? Would not giving her a cutie mark leave her a confused blank-flank forever, always searching for a meaning in her life but unable to find it because she is a tulpa? And so, I ask those with a pony tulpa: Did you give your tulpa a cutie mark? If the answer is yes, then are they happy with it (explain)? If not, did they find their special talent and get a cutie mark, or are they still a blank flank (if so, how do they feel about this)?

Thanks for your help!

-ExtraExtrapie

 

 

You see, everyone is naturally enticed to make a tulpa a Mary-Sue or Gary-Sue because they want their tulpa to be the best that they can be, and if you don't know what a Mary-Sue or Gary-Sue is..

 

Basically, both are types of characters that are overly perfect in almost every aspect, and them being overly good in so many things weakens their uniqueness. Now, you are free to have them as whatever you want them to be, but like you stated, forcing this implausible set of talents (since to be a master of her own being, she has to be perfect in everything about her) might not make her happy.

 

Think about that for a moment there, although you as a person would want her to be in control of her being, it seems like you're just wanting have less of a burden contributing to her developing her own character. I'm not saying you're lazy, it's just you don't want to set such high standards, especially when you only started recently (and from your previous threads, you are worried about the sexuality between your tulpa and how it might encroach your own sexuality; and if you're worried about that, I doubt you would be confident with setting high expectations of her while worrying about worst case scenarios).

 

There's a difference in making tulpa with practical sets of schemata for all aspects vs. A tulpa that's believed from the start to have +God-mode. I admit, at first when I created Eva, I wanted her to be the best, the absolute best, and it's natural for us to wish these things. However, I realized that I shouldn't set such high expectations for her, and wanted to take things gradually.

 

Try to make your tulpa realistic that can still fit your preferences. When you're first starting out, concepts and ideas will be all over the place, and it can get overwhelming, so just start small, and when you start having your tulpa become more vocal, communicate with her to see what she would like. And most of the time, tulpa will naturally want to shift to a form that both host and them can enjoy.

 

When you start making your tulpa look like they're over-powered, you are in a way setting high expectations for yourself, and you might not like that yourself, trust me...it's exhausting...just personal experience.

 

 

Point being, don't let your actions exceed your level of commitment into this. Just give it time, and you'll find you can add more aspects to her later on, and she can deviate from them easily.

 

Some people want to be calculated, precise, taking time to develop their tulpa's character and state of being before tulpaforcing, and some people want things to be a work in progress and do things progressively...just know the pros and cons of how you go about doing this.

 

 

 

 

PS: I outlined my tulpa in the pony creator (http://24.media.tumblr.com/5b730975a70472781930eb216b10bdb8/tumblr_mms112uIPK1sq67bpo1_500.png) and use that image for when I force her. However, if I get distracted for a second, I end up imagining Milky Way (the milk mare milkmare-of-trottingham.tumblr.com). Is this just my ADD and hormones, or is it the tulpa? I don't think she's sentient yet, but I can feel her presence.

 

 

To be honest, it could just be a distraction on your end, but who knows, maybe your tulpa just likes having that thought portrayed. Just make a note of it for personal reference, and when you tulpaforce some more, just let things happen, and if it happens again, ask your tulpa when they become more vocal or just ask mentally "Is this something that you like to see?" and just trust that they'll give a response visually or something. Like I stated before, there may be a lot of concepts and thoughts thrown at you in the initial stages that are confusing at times to know any distinction if it's you, your tulpa, or both of you.

 

And keep believing she's there, just keep presuming; visualize her sustaining her presence; visualize yourself benefiting from her presence as well; visualize both of you enjoying each other's company. It's going to feel awkward, but it's going to get better the more you go at it. If you need to take breaks due to higher frequencies of distractions, do so, and then come back.

 

Maybe you can do short sessions of 15-30 minutes instead of an hour, and take an hour break or so and come back to it again. Hope this helps.

[Guest ExtraExtrapie]

I guess you meant you're making the personality in order to draw the base, and then visualize, so don't mind me.

 

I really struggle with forcing and I need to have an image of what I am talking to in order for anything to happen, so I made a draft of my pony in the pony creator. The cutie mark, however, not only impacts the appearance of the pony, but also its personality, but you know this.

 

Anyway, as for the cutie mark, like one user has stated, for the mark to have a significant value, it seems practical to conform to the mechanics in the MLP Universe. Of course, you are free to make any other values behind it for yourself. Either way, I suggest you at least write some meaning behind the mark, at least to get things laid out for you.

 

After reading this post and the ones that preceded it, I have decided to leave my pony tulpa without a cutie mark until she decides she wants one.

 

You see, everyone is naturally enticed to make a tulpa a Mary-Sue or Gary-Sue because they want their tulpa to be the best that they can be, and if you don't know what a Mary-Sue or Gary-Sue is..

 

Basically, both are types of characters that are overly perfect in almost every aspect, and them being overly good in so many things weakens their uniqueness. Now, you are free to have them as whatever you want them to be, but like you stated, forcing this implausible set of talents (since to be a master of her own being, she has to be perfect in everything about her) might not make her happy.

 

Think about that for a moment there, although you as a person would want her to be in control of her being, it seems like you're just wanting have less of a burden contributing to her developing her own character. I'm not saying you're lazy, it's just you don't want to set such high standards, especially when you only started recently (and from your previous threads, you are worried about the sexuality between your tulpa and how it might encroach your own sexuality; and if you're worried about that, I doubt you would be confident with setting high expectations of her while worrying about worst case scenarios).

I have been extra careful not to create a mrs. perfect. I have given her traits such as mischeivous, cunning, and ambitious to prevent her from becoming a "Mary Sue." My previous posts are mostly me just being curious about this phenomenon as oppose to being wary of the dangers of tulpaforcing.

 

 

Some people want to be calculated, precise, taking time to develop their tulpa's character and state of being before tulpaforcing, and some people want things to be a work in progress and do things progressively...just know the pros and cons of how you go about doing this.

 

I have been doing the latter. Which would you recommend?

 

 

Maybe you can do short sessions of 15-30 minutes instead of an hour, and take an hour break or so and come back to it again. Hope this helps.

 

That's actually what I've been doing :P.

Thanks so much for your awesome and informative reply! It really means a lot to me.

 

Also, in response to your issue with not knowing who's doing what, I made a post on the "Self-Deceit versus Things Actually Happening" thread in GD has my explanation of my views on the matter. It's a few posts down right over here.

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-self-deceit-versus-things-actually-happening?page=3

 

It's mostly what's already known, just taken to a bit more detail. I think.

 

Threads like that show how young and naive this community is. Even those who have truly mastered the art of tulpamancing do not understand the art themselves. Hopefully, this community eventually gains the attention of professionals and they put tulpae in their proper light. If this doesn't happen by the time I've mastered tulpamancing, I will do it.

[Linkzelda]

 

I have been doing the latter. Which would you recommend?

 

 

I would recommend doing the latter as well. However, if you want do the hard work first, setting the foundations that can be changed and improved later on and such, you can do that as well. But I find that doing the latter is better because while you might think you're getting more doing the first option, you might completely refute the whole idea you had put into it and want something new.

 

 

And also, I apologize for not reading through other people's comments, I am completely at fault for that.

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As for your statement with how the tulpa community is generally young and naive with even the most proficient tulpamancers mastering the art but not understanding it, I completely agree.

 

I think the more the person has a clear resolve of how they manage their own life, dealing with the shitty messes of life, and still having the will to battle through those conflicts, they would appreciate their tulpa as a way for them to just fill themselves with the unconditional love that's so hard for people to gain from others.

 

If people can learn how to collaborate with their tulpa this way (thus being aware of other aspects of their mind), they can finally realize how it's important to focus on sustaining ways to make ourselves happy before we start reaching out to people in our lives and letting them fill the remaining gap of the desire of being accepted, loved, etc.

 

Of course, I'm sure there are people that are aware of this concept, and despite of the naiveté of the community, in time, people will learn. It's just a matter of who realizes things can't go the way they want all the time, or being able to be quick enough to make the proper change before they make a "one step forward and two steps back" approach.

 

 

I think it's more of a concern of people learning to take bits of concepts related to tulpa and life (waking life, dreaming life, etc.), and making their own set of beliefs, or a schemata that gives them a constant reminder of why they're doing this, getting their crap together, and start living life.

 

Anyway, going to stop being off-topic here, sorry.

[Lacquer]

Personally, I don't think that people should specifically put in flaws when designing their tulpa's personality. As with every human, flaws arise from their personality regardless. For example, "persistent" might become "stubborn", or "open" might become "gullible". Things like that. There was a thread on this a while ago: http://community.tulpa.info/thread-personality-built-in-flaws

[Asquerade]

My tulpa made her own pony form, a blue Unicorn. It might be Cliche, but she likes it: Her Cutie Mark is Magic, like Twilight Sparkle's. Except my tulpa's CM is blue, and she put an Infinity sideways-8 loop on it for no apparent reason.

[Chupi]

Given how cutie marks work on MLP, I would probably at least let her choose her own and show it to you once she's sentient. Leaving out a detail does not forever doom your tulpa to not having it, even if they're fully imposed. Just make sure she knows that she can create and change things about her form to suit her.

 

Or if you like, you can wait until she's sentient then take her on an adventure in your wonderland and let her properly earn a cutie mark. Wonderland adventures are fun -- you just have to get your imagination into a state where you can go someplace without already knowing what will be there, and see rather than consciously create. Or, if you can't do that, you can play god and mentally write scenarios for her to do, challenges for her to complete, little temporary worlds she can play in.

[Guest ExtraExtrapie]

The idea of having my tulpa find her cutie mark through adventures is a great one! The problem is, I really stink at visualization, so I chose to refrain from creating a wonderland. However, the more I learn about tulpae, the more I see the perks of creating one. Is it a good idea for me to attempt wonderland forcing, even though I have not been doing it? Regardless, I will leave my tulpa without a cutie mark until either she requests one or discovers that she has a special talent (she still hasn't shown strong signs of sentience yet). Thanks for your help!

[Chupi]

I would recommend it. How are you going to get better at visualization if you don't practice it? Best way to practice this sort of thing is to push your limits a bit.

 

My wonderland started out as a lame 2D backdrop of a beach and evolved from there.