Where do they go?

[Guest Anonymous]

Where do tulpas you don't interact with go to? I'm speaking of the tulpas that don't have any wonderland and kind of shut off at some points, where do those tulpas go exactly? Don't interact with as in for a short period of time, not permanently.

[warriortiltheend]

Back of your mind, maybe?

[Guest Anonymous]

WHAT is the back of my mind, then? My tulpa has no wonderland or anything of her own. Why do tulpas go to the back of your mind, too? I'd understand the 'When you don't think of them', but the issue here is that I think of my tulpa all the time literally and she participates in every single thing I do (even typing this, she's putting her hands on mine while doing so, and that's not really an issue but you get what I mean).

[Guest Anonymous]

They don't "go" anywhere, the part of the brain associated with the tulpa simply isn't active.

[Luminesce]

My tulpas just aren't active. They don't go anywhere, they aren't doing things in the wonderland, they're just super background processes in my mind. They're not "active" enough to "do" anything. They can be brought up on a moment's notice to comment on things, which is why I say they're more of a background process of my mind than just completely not there, but they're definitely not actively doing anything. Despite the stigma against saying your tulpas are completely inactive when not... active, mine have no problem with it. They have complete access to all of my thoughts and experiences and memories, so you could say they're "always watching in the background" if you wanted. But that's just me trying to put it into words for you. I know how it is for me, and we're fine with it.

 

Edit: Opened this page before writing the textwall in the other, I like how Mistgod literally paraphrased my post preemptively.

[Guest Anonymous]

They die. Just to be born again when you remember them.

 

Jokes aside, where do you go when you're sleeping without dreams?

[Guest Anonymous]

^

 

You don't sleep without dreams. You dream every single night, it's just that you don't remember your dreams. Dreams are the mind's rest, you can't sleep 'without dreams'.

[Luminesce]

Well to be fair not all parts of sleep are dream-sleep. http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/sleep-101

Although in NREM you can have dreamlike thoughts, they're at most feelings and ideas with little to them.

 

Sounds like another way of saying "They're just not active" to me.

[Yakumo]

This is not correct.

You can and you do sleep most of the time without having dreams.

80% of sleep consists of non-REM phases in which you usually do not experience dreams. Only about 20% consist of REM-sleep which frequently produces dreams. Exceptions are known and theoretically all sleep phases can produce dream-like states but you do spend a significant portion of sleep by simply being unconscious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep

 

Also I would not jump to hasty conclusions as of what dreams are or what their function is, this is a highly complex and still relatively poorly understood topic.

 

But back to this topic, like with all tulpa-related things I think we can't generalize. For most people, including myself, it seems that tulpas are simply 'out' when the host isn't focusing on them. This can be really annoying as my tulpa frequently misses exciting events because I'm so involved and distracted that I momentarily stop thinking of her. According to her account it's comparable to being unconscious or at least extremely drowsy.

 

On the other hand, some people claim that their tulpas act completely autonomous and do not need any kind of attention. I remember Sock for example, whose tulpas waged a war (in wonderland) without his knowledge. But even without wonderlands, we have anecdotes of several 'persons' existing independent of each other which is also where we are crossing the border to multiplicity. I would not dare to dismiss all of that as nonsense or fake and I am a highly skeptical person. The brain is weird and can produce the most unbelievable things. The existence of several independent personalities within a single mind seems medically established, although it remains controversial. But better ask someone like FallFamily on this topic.

 

So in the end, I don't think dreams are a proper analogy, but memories might be. Even if you don't think of them they still physically exist as neuronal networks (or how exactly long time memory works, we still don't really know) an can more or less easily be recalled. So once a tulpa is ingrained in long term memory it should work the same way as an experienced driver will manage to keep his car on the road without giving it a single thought. He also will not lose much his skills even if he doesn't recall them for a very long time.

[Guest Anonymous]

Okay. I do know about REM-sleep and how the phase in which you usually dream is so short, but the duration doesn't have much to do with it, as you can dream for a while and your perception in the dream is completely altered. It's not really about the duration in the real world, but okay dude.

 

My tulpa also acts autonomous in some cases, completely behind my back, and still does it frequently. I'm just wondering why tulpas just fuck off for a bit then come back eventually after a certain while. I can understand Sock's case, because their tulpas have an actual interest in doing so, but my tulpa has absolutely no will to fade off and come back later, she wants to be always there with me, and she just kind of fades off, I can still feel her presence and she resumes 'active' presence, she has no idea, absolutely no idea as to WHERE she goes.

 

Alright. Since you said our understanding of dreams and whatnot is poor, let's simply not discuss that then. What else could it be?