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This is the shortened version of the guide that only shows how to do possession and switching, the other guide has information on how to merge, and additional information such as more details on the process and a questions section. If you want to read that guide it is here. This shortened guide also has a pastebin if that is more convenient for you here <3

This guide is simply a shortened version of the guide that is shortened to 5 of the 13 sections taken directly.

A personal note, i have been switching for a while now and have used many different techniques, the one below is the one that i have found both effective and easy to explain compared to what the other things are. This is Version 1.0, and will be edited if need be. Im posting it because i have had a few people get good results with it.

Disclaimer

This guide requires a rather well developed tulpa, as it does put some strain on the host and tulpa. They should be sentient vocal and have had sufficient time to be comfortable in their own bodies before they use anyones besides theirs. Additionally do not attempt movements that put you or your tulpa at risk such as walking fast around your house at least until you are confident and trained that you can control the whole body. It is advised to train on your bed as well so if you fall you wont be injured as much

There is no set time that this guide and process will take, i have sped it up but it can be your first try (such as me) or it could take weeks who knows

 

Introduction:

I will first assume that you are aware of what switching is but in case you dont, it is when the tulpa can use the hosts body as if it were her own and the host is moved into a temporary mindform. This guide is made to allow for the host and tulpaes to switch much easier and smoother and also learn an easy method of possession following the same tecniques. If you are not at all willing to give your body to your tulpa temporarily, or permanantly as Koomer has done, then sadly this guide will not work for you. We do recommend reading Oguigis possession and the other switching guide as well, to increase your understanding of the processes involved with said methods. That being said the rest of the guide will be the real method

 

The Shortened Tulpa Guide to Easy Switching

 

 

Definitions:

Mindvoice: What you and your tulpa speak in to yourselves and each other

Possession: When a tulpa can control the hosts body

Switching: Switching places with the tulpa so the tulpa is in the place of the host and the host is in a tulpa state

Merging: In this version, it is when both tulpa and host as dominant with the mindvoices and can both control the body. Others refer to merging as merging wntire forms, usually permanently, as believed. This is not the merging described in the long version of the guide

 

Begin Switching

Get comfy, and have your tulpa nearby, sentience and vocality are required to do a switch with this method, so have your tulpa at that level first.

 

Step 1 Switch whos thoughts are dominant

This is very important and very useful to many many techniques of tulpa

Take a deep breath first and relax or whatever you like so you are comfortable

Normally people tell me that their voice is dominant, their voice is in the "front of their head," and their tulpas voice is in the "back of their head" or that they hear mostly their voice and some thoughts of their tulpa. The goal of this paragraph and step is to reverse that. Have your tulpas voice become dominant over yours in any way you like. If you can do that without any help then move on if you dont keep reading

 

>You can imagine your tulpas voice moving to the front of your head and yours move to the back

>You can make their voice louder and yours much more quiet

>You can imagine 2 orbs with 2 different colors, one smaller sized orb representing your tulpas mindvoices and one larger orb representing your own mindvoice(s), and have your tulpaes orb grow in volume while yours decreases in volume, or however you want

The 3 i mentioned are the methods that Ive told people to use but if you have a different method, that is no problem if you can get your tulpaes mindvoice as the dominant mindvoice you hear. This does not mean you should hear every word they say as words, think about how you think to yourself, you hear words, random thoughts and ideas wandering thoughts. It should be the same for your tulpa, and how they hear their tulpa voice, except their thoughts should be heard the same way you hear your own and yours should be how you hear your tulpa, bottom line is switch mindvoice dominance from yours to your tulpaes.

 

Please note the following

>If your tulpa is dominant, it will be harder for you to think, so the tulpa will have to do more work for the next few steps and it is advised to read the guide at least once before trying it so you know what youre doing

>Switching mindvoices does not mean you use her voice and the tulpa uses your real voice, it is switching places so that the tulpas is dominant, and is mentioned twice because it is important in this guide

>To confirm that you are doing it right, if you were asked a question about yourself, your tulpa should reply first before you reply, it just does that by itself, if you have that then you switched dominance and are doing it correctly. You also may try to do this to switch mindvoices, by having their reaction override your own speed.

>At this point i have been told the tulpas voice is much clearer than before so that is something to look for as well and a method of training vocality if you wish

 

Step 2 Possession

On the side if you havnt, check out Oguigi's guide for a nice introduction and description of possession and what it does

At this step you should be able to do a possession easier, either with this or Oguigi's method. You can use the mindvoice swap with her guide for likely better results in posessing.

 

Keep in mind that the brain is "supposed to send signals" that control the body so if your tulpa can send signals to your body just like you do then your tulpa can possess your body by using that. This can be done easier because your tulpaes thoughts are the dominant ones, so if they wish to lift an arm it will be easy to do so.

 

Another method is to think about how you move your arm, send that feeling to your tulpa or have them think about how they move their own body, and as the dominant mindvoice, they should be able to move your body quite easily without much effort at all. In other words have them send signals to your body while using your body. Try to have your tulpa move your arm while she is the dominant mondvoice, move it like you move it yourself

Its not anywhere close to impossible, you do it with yourself all the time, just by typing, so your tulpa can do the same thing. Just teach them how.

 

Step 3 Tulpa coming in your bodie

There are plenty of ways to do this and all of them work, but i will explain a simple and easy to understand method that is effective and that i have recommended to people.

Keep in mind that things such as exposing your back are unnecessary but will help for people that are new to switching and merging. Expose your front and back with no large objects stopping your path such as your chair, shirts and pants are fine but we go shirtless and with clothes so it doesnt make a difference. Get in a position where your tulpa can reach your chest. Regardless of form, have them sit on your lap for the time being, for the purpose of this guide.

Have them sit on your lap then have their body become and feel less opaque, or clearer, like less solid, just solid enough to slide into your body. You can do other methods to have them enter your body, such as imagining a hole in your back and having them slide in, it doesnt matter as long as it is the same result. Have her be almost "hook up" to your body parts. If they are not the same size or humanoid its the same concept and the process will still work, which i know because Hanyuu is a wormy even though humanoid or pony is easy for this. For example if they move their arm your arm should move as well and vice-versa and at the exact same time.

After that, they should be able to move your body as if it was possession, because it is in a way possession of your body except they can control it directly as if it were their own body. This should be made easier by having your mindvoices switched. Keep in mind everything here is normally reversible by doing the opposite techniques.

 

Step 4 Give your body to your tulpa

This is the hardest step so far from these as i have been told by people using this technique, but with your mindvoices switched, its not overly hard. It is very hard to explain however. Form a mindform body that looks like your own, and then pull your thoughts into the tulpa body. Imagine your "energy" flow directly from your real body into your tulpabody.

You can just jump consciousnesses directly into the body if you are able to do that way, its the same thing. Control your mindform in your own wonderland, it is the exact same process to control an irl tulpabody, make your voice in your irl voice both weaker and quieter, and make your tulpabodys voice stronger, the same strongness as a tulpas voice normally is. At this point, also, the tulpa should maintain you to some extents, because you are the tulpa and your tulpa is the host position. You will naturally maintain yourself of course but you dont need to think about maintaining yourself, your tulpa should do that more than your body in the state that its in as a tulpa.

 

Look with the bodies eyes and sense with the body senses just as tulpaes do with their body. You should be able to figure it out, just become the mindform, or have the mindform pull from your body but be sure that youre controlling it. It is a temporary body that should be formed from only your thoughts, just as a servitor styletype body. Theres plenty of ways to do this.

 

Once you have your consciousness and or thoughts in the mindform body, your tulpa should be able to weakly control your body at first and will get stronger at it, or or will be able to strongly control your body right away. This is done because your tulpa is the only one left in your body so all movements that the body does are hers now and not yours. That is all you need to do. Keep practicing that until you are comfortable switching.

 

An example scene of switching that you can get an idea of what to look for is this: Tulpa is in your form using your body typing on your computer while you talk sit back by your wall talking to your tulpa and talking to them with a mindvoice like a/the tulpaes.

 

H: From the tulpaes point of view, it should be like the hostmasters normal point of view, meaning they should use the body just as if it were their own, as well as have full access to all 5 senses provided by the body. They should also hear the host as he would hear a normal tulpa. Also i repeat that not all thoughts are to translated into english and you should hear thoughts just as your hostmaster does. I mean that you should also hear thought ramblings and subconscious thoughts.

 

Some people have said that their mindform is unstable at first when you switch, pull your mindform out just as normal and have in in a low movement setting, and have it sit quietly and watch, then after you can switch, work on making your mindform more stable, just like developing a tulpas body. It is the exact same process regarding the body forming and form. Also as a tulpa your senses may be blurrier and harder to distinguish what is felt with your senses. That is normal, it is not always fixed, because that is how a tulpa body works, it is a little less vivid from what we have found with our personal experience with it, but you can try to work on it and make it clearer by focusing on it or other methods in order to accomplish this task here.

 

Step 5 Undoing possession, switching, and merging, the most important step

Step 6 in the first guide is this step if you look at the numbers, step 5 in the first guide is merging but it is cut out in the guide so the numbers are as they are. Why is it the most important step? If you dont do this step your tulpa may feel tired, sometimes, even a little out of it. Dont worry if this happens, from what ive heard its somewhat normal but its a thing easily fixable. it is likely not overly harmful as it will usually return to normal soon. If you dont switch for very long times such as days or weeks and if you know what you are doing then it should also not be a problem. If you are newer to switching, and afterward your tulpa feels fatigued, again dont worry, its easy to fix. Imagine them exiting your body and back into theirs, its that simple but if your tulpa ever gets tired after switching or whatnot this is the solution. This should be done at the end of most or almost all switching sessions, moreso if you are beginning to learn to switch, to keep things simple on switching.

 

Simply do what you did in reverse, its much easier to undo it than redo because the host is more attached to his body than the tulpa so he/she will return to the body in due time, even more so and faster if he undoes the switching. Oguigi and Koomer dont count because of their case. If you can become the dominant mindvoice again then separating the tulpa from your body the same way it entered, then switching and merging is pretty easy to break, very easy infact, easy enough to the point where it will probably break on its own and return to normal with your tulpa in its body and you in yours. Unswitching manually just removes possible questions.

Both I and someone else using my methods have had our tulpaes get the tired feels at least once, and when we unswitched it returned to normal without much difficulty from either the host nor the tulpa

Notes:

This guide is still under work, if you find any errors, have any questions or comments, do post them below.

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Ok, ok... so. My consciousness goes into the tulpa body, and I myself am supposed to see out of it, like that science experiment they did where they made test subjects believe they were on the other side of the room from where their actual bodies were?

 

Sorry if I keep asking the same questions over and over again, but you haven't really told me how to actually accomplish that if that's what we're talking about. I can put my personality and mindvoice into it just fine, but I have no idea how to transfer my actual self into the tulpa body. The most I could do would be to imagine myself seeing out of it, but that still doesn't put me into it; even if my mind's eye is seeing out of it, my ACTUAL vision is still coming from the physical body's eyes.

 

Also, what do you mean sharing sight isn't recommended for beginners? That's what we've been doing this entire time, because I don't know how to see out of my temporary body.

 

 

Yeah, this is what it's like for me. Still cemented to the real body. It doesn't feel like I'm being pushed out while someone else is being pushed in, it just feels like my personality is being altered.

I just thought of a good visual, if you have watched Avatar the movie, how he enters his N'avi body its similar to it, hes disconnected from his own physical body and thrown in another

Its fine, thats what the comments are for :> <3 Its hard to describe but you just imagine yourself flowing into the body or jumping consciousnesses if you can, and the next thing you know your tulpa is looking at a temporary body and youre looking at your irl body. You just disconnect from it and have your tulpa see with your body instead of you i guess. Imagine yourself entering the body and the tulpa staying in the body, thats the easiest to describe way so far that ive considered in plain english


Uh as far as I know, possession is them controlling the body (I believe you made a typo there) like their own. That's what possession is about. Giving up control so someone else in that head can take it instead.

As i believe switching is defined as a possession style where the tulpa and the host fully switch body type, so it is, but it is not only possessing, it is more than that :|


While ignoring your senses will eventually lead into sort of getting "disconnected" with the body and you will be able to achieve a switch, this guide just has so much mumbo jumbo I don't see necessary. I guess everyone got their own methods, but there's nothing really that special when it comes to switching. Just get possession down very well and once you're comfortable enough, you'll be able to move your senses from the physical body to an imaginary one. You'll probably first learn to block them which might lead into funky things if you're getting caught with your pants down so to say.

 

I guess I could repost my MS Paint image based on my experiences and how I see the whole switching thing. Not a guide and not helpful, but a way to put my words into an image or something.

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Realize first that this has possession done first, where the methods here goes into that step and past it in a not hard fashion. The point of the guide is to do it easily and effectively. keyword easily without learning possession first and then maximize it into a switching tactic

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I just thought of a good visual, if you have watched Avatar the movie, how he enters his N'avi body its similar to it, hes disconnected from his own physical body and thrown in another

Its fine, thats what the comments are for :> <3 Its hard to describe but you just imagine yourself flowing into the body or jumping consciousnesses if you can, and the next thing you know your tulpa is looking at a temporary body and youre looking at your irl body. You just disconnect from it and have your tulpa see with your body instead of you i guess. Imagine yourself entering the body and the tulpa staying in the body, thats the easiest to describe way so far that ive considered in plain english

 

Ok, that clears things up, and I know what I need to do now, but... like I said, there's a difference between imagining myself in an imaginary body and actually BEING in that body. I know intuition is required with tulpaforcing, but I don't even know how to begin doing that. That's like trying to impose her onto the real world simply by visualizing hard enough. I just physically cannot do either of those things, and I don't understand how anyone else could.

 

And actually, I just realized a bit of a catch-22. It goes like this: Sarah becomes dominant, my consciousness is still in the body, and then I'm supposed to transfer it into the temp body. But... I have to USE my consciousness to transfer it, and Sarah is the one that is using my consciousness while we're merged. If I try to use it, I'll just end up taking over again.

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Ok, that clears things up, and I know what I need to do now, but... like I said, there's a difference between imagining myself in an imaginary body and actually BEING in that body. I know intuition is required with tulpaforcing, but I don't even know how to begin doing that. That's like trying to impose her onto the real world simply by visualizing hard enough. I just physically cannot do either of those things, and I don't understand how anyone else could.

 

And actually, I just realized a bit of a catch-22. It goes like this: Sarah becomes dominant, my consciousness is still in the body, and then I'm supposed to transfer it into the temp body. But... I have to USE my consciousness to transfer it, and Sarah is the one that is using my consciousness while we're merged. If I try to use it, I'll just end up taking over again.

Yes

 

And while putting your body within the temp body your tulpa does a lot of the moving. Its in the guide i think, but yeah, your tulpa moves you basically, just sit there and give her a push to move her along and you out of your body

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As i believe switching is defined as a possession style where the tulpa and the host fully switch body type, so it is, but it is not only possessing, it is more than that :|

 

We should stop right now and make sure that the same definitions are still in place which are used on the forums and the community. I have no idea what goes on in the IRC channels and I don't even want to know, but this could go ugly really fast if everyone makes their own definitions and no one knows what anyone is talking about.

 

Simplest way to put it would be that during possession, the tupper is in control of the body. Simple as that. Switching is more about the host and I see it as a host skill more than anything. When you switch, the host (and what I mean by host and tupper is the first "consciousness" and the second and the ones after them, not the one in control of the body or even the one who has made all the tuppers) stops sensing the physical body and takes the senses of an imaginary body, which a tupper usually is doing but in this case they are the physical body. A tupper usually is in an imaginary form, which is why they don't really have to practice a switch as it's pretty automatic, the physical body control or possession is what they have to practice. A host then has to practice the switching as they are used to a physical body and not an imaginary one.

 

Again, in my picture, I talked about levels and I think that's still true. On the lowest levels, the tupper probably isn't very in touch with the body while the host is too much, but on the higher levels, the tupper in very much in control while the host barely is even aware unless they pay attention, easily able to slide into a switch.

 

tl;dr for the host part: during possession, host is aware of the physical senses. During switching, they are not. As for the tupper, there shouldn't be any change if the possession is good enough, but there might be a change during switch in how it feels to them in case the host has always been too much in the way during possession.

 

What a switch doesn't mean: switching body control, as in a tupper is in the body and a host is not. That is possession still. Switching depends on the host's senses.

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We should stop right now and make sure that the same definitions are still in place which are used on the forums and the community. I have no idea what goes on in the IRC channels and I don't even want to know, but this could go ugly really fast if everyone makes their own definitions and no one knows what anyone is talking about.

 

Simplest way to put it would be that during possession, the tupper is in control of the body. Simple as that. Switching is more about the host and I see it as a host skill more than anything. When you switch, the host (and what I mean by host and tupper is the first "consciousness" and the second and the ones after them, not the one in control of the body or even the one who has made all the tuppers) stops sensing the physical body and takes the senses of an imaginary body, which a tupper usually is doing but in this case they are the physical body. A tupper usually is in an imaginary form, which is why they don't really have to practice a switch as it's pretty automatic, the physical body control or possession is what they have to practice. A host then has to practice the switching as they are used to a physical body and not an imaginary one.

 

Again, in my picture, I talked about levels and I think that's still true. On the lowest levels, the tupper probably isn't very in touch with the body while the host is too much, but on the higher levels, the tupper in very much in control while the host barely is even aware unless they pay attention, easily able to slide into a switch.

 

tl;dr for the host part: during possession, host is aware of the physical senses. During switching, they are not. As for the tupper, there shouldn't be any change if the possession is good enough, but there might be a change during switch in how it feels to them in case the host has always been too much in the way during possession.

 

What a switch doesn't mean: switching body control, as in a tupper is in the body and a host is not. That is possession still. Switching depends on the host's senses.

I go by the common definitions i have compiled from the guides thread and irc

Also you should remember that what words for you and what you said doesnt work for everyone, and your definitions arent always the standard ones

Possession is when a tulpa takes control of the body correct

Switching is (commonly defined as) when the tulpa takes over as the host and the host becomes a tulpa, usually through possession or similar such as my guide.

Again not everyone including this guide uses your switching method, so definitions vary from guide to guide, this guides definitions are either above or in the section for them. Those are the definitions for this guide. Because this guide doesnt use desensitizing our definitions are different indeed.

Tl,dr. . .

As i can figure from what ive seen, and what ive heard works from those i

asked, the definition is exactly what you say isnt switching. The tulpa comes in the body and the host leaves the body. The tulpa also can feel with the bodys irl senses and the host cant, logically its more fitting to be the definition of switching because the host and tulpa really switch instead of the tulpa possessing the whole body while the host is in a daze

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And while putting your body within the temp body your tulpa does a lot of the moving. Its in the guide i think, but yeah, your tulpa moves you basically, just sit there and give her a push to move her along and you out of your body

 

You... still haven't really told me how to abandon my physical body's senses. I know what I'm supposed to be doing now, but I still don't know how to actually do it without desensitization.

 

Speaking of that:

 

this guide doesnt use desensitizing

 

The tulpa also can feel with the bodys irl senses and the host cant

 

Isn't "desensitizing" defined as the process wherein the host stops feeling things with their IRL body? Because I think you just contradicted yourself. It seems like this guide doesn't use desensitizing, but it also seems like desensitization is actually required in order for the host to become a tulpa. If your guide allows the host to do that without desensitization, then... how?

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You... still haven't really told me how to abandon my physical body's senses. I know what I'm supposed to be doing now, but I still don't know how to actually do it without desensitization.

 

Speaking of that:

 

 

 

Isn't "desensitizing" defined as the process wherein the host stops feeling things with their IRL body? Because I think you just contradicted yourself. It seems like this guide doesn't use desensitizing, but it also seems like desensitization is actually required in order for the host to become a tulpa. If your guide allows the host to do that without desensitization, then... how?

Let me rephrase, it can use desensitizing styles if you want to use them but you dont need to use them. You dont need to desensitize your body as putting your consciousness in your temp body will do that already and easily

This is because your consciousness and thoughts are not connected to your irl body with your senses so its desensitized automatically, also you can "abandon your physical senses" by jumping consciousnesses, again like Avatar the movie, or by imagining yourself flowing into it, that is the method, just imagine yourself jumping into the tempbody thats it

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I go by the common definitions i have compiled from the guides thread and irc

 

There are standard definitions. They're still in use here, if the IRC is switching them around like Koomer and Oguigi (they have used "switch" to mean just full body possession with the host still very aware of their physical senses and actually being unable to take on imaginary ones) then there's not much I can do about that other than to tell you that that's not what people usually mean. This was the updated glossary that has been suggested and let's take a look at what it says about possession and switching:

 

Possession: the practice of willingly allowing a tulpa to control the body (or individual body parts, such as the hands or vocal chords) of its host

 

Switching: a total transfer of bodily control from host to tulpa, such that the host no longer must consciously observe or mediate the actions their tulpa takes while in control of their body

 

I agree with those and that is what majority of the people I have met also agree to.

 

Also you should remember that what words for you and what you said doesnt work for everyone, and your definitions arent always the standard ones

Possession is when a tulpa takes control of the body correct

Switching is (commonly defined as) when the tulpa takes over as the host and the host becomes a tulpa, usually through possession or similar such as my guide.

 

Mine does seem to be the standard however. And no, only the silly new people use the word host to mean the one in control of the body and speak of these "tulpa-like" bodies. You never become a host or a tupper unless you were like that. Sure, a tupper means thoughtform, but isn't the creation also a big part of it? The host never was created even if they have an imaginary form. If both can take on an imaginary form and take control of the physical body, if you keep switching the terms tupper and host around willy nilly, no one will ever know which one you are. Doesn't really matter, but it does to some. That is why the words host and tupper are there, to make it simple to understand your origin.

 

The term "front" has been suggested as a word for the one in the body, borrowing it from the multiple or whatever community, another community with people who share a body with someone else. I tend to just use "the body", but I guess front could work. No one's yet to make a good word for the ones not in control, though. As long as it's got nothing "tulpa-like" in it, I'm almost fine with anything. Why don't you and your IRC buddies try to come up with a good one?

 

Again not everyone including this guide uses your switching method, so definitions vary from guide to guide, this guides definitions are either above or in the section for them. Those are the definitions for this guide. Because this guide doesnt use desensitizing our definitions are different indeed.

 

It's not exactly a method, just something I found out by accident. As in, people who got trouble with all these switching methods could really be working on that possession and find out that the switch will come automatically once they are ready. I don't see any reason why people would force this to happen when the tupper might not be ready to face the world alone in a strange body unless they have had enough practice with it already. You really need to be able to trust them to not hurt themselves.

 

As i can figure from what ive seen, and what ive heard works from those i

asked, the definition is exactly what you say isnt switching. The tulpa comes in the body and the host leaves the body. The tulpa also can feel with the bodys irl senses and the host cant, logically its more fitting to be the definition of switching because the host and tulpa really switch instead of the tulpa possessing the whole body while the host is in a daze

 

You must've misread, misunderstood or put words into my mouth. Where did I say something about a daze? I am talking about an imaginary body with imaginary senses, like what a tupper usually is when not in the body. Going on wonderland adventures, feeling it like it is real. The other shit you wrote there was what I said.

 

Other things I've noticed: as you possess and you have to pay less and less attention to the body as all the needs are taken care of by your tulpa, you build trust. When you build trust, you don't need to watch over them in case something happen, as you're comfortable with them taking care of it themselves. So, you don't need to feel it. You don't need to smell it, you don't need to hear it or see it. So you don't. Now, if you truly leave it at that, yes, you are basically unconscious. You will wake up later and have no idea what happened. Technically, that too is a switch as the host isn't in control of the body or feeling the physical senses. But that's not what you usually want and I'd call this stage more like something between possession and a true switch. It's not too difficult to start feeling something after that, so just get yourself a nice imaginary body and feel that instead. It's your body now as you're not feeling the other and that's pretty nice. Go do whatever.

 

Basically, there is a lot of same between what we have noticed, but I just think there's a lot more useless symbolism in your method. Symbolism is tricky, it can work either really well or not at all if the person using it doesn't agree to it. I'm not too big on symbolism so I don't use it.

 

I am worried if people start forcing too young tuppers in control of a strange body, however. Remember to practice somewhere safe and make sure they can use the body well before giving up control and not being there to make sure they will be alright. A physical body takes some time to get used to. Going the possession route is safe even if it takes time, but there is no rush. Just know that possession and switching aren't so different that you have to practice them both and that time spent on one thing is wasted if you want the other. You'll get both if you are willing to practice.

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Let me rephrase, it can use desensitizing styles if you want to use them but you dont need to use them. You dont need to desensitize your body as putting your consciousness in your temp body will do that already and easily

This is because your consciousness and thoughts are not connected to your irl body with your senses so its desensitized automatically, also you can "abandon your physical senses" by jumping consciousnesses, again like Avatar the movie, or by imagining yourself flowing into it, that is the method, just imagine yourself jumping into the tempbody thats it

 

But like I said: There's a difference between imagining myself going into the temp body and ACTUALLY going into the temp body. What you're telling me to do is the equivalent of telling me to physically see something with my eyes just by visualizing it. We're talking about two totally different levels here, and I don't know how to get to the second one.

 

Other things I've noticed: as you possess and you have to pay less and less attention to the body as all the needs are taken care of by your tulpa, you build trust. When you build trust, you don't need to watch over them in case something happen, as you're comfortable with them taking care of it themselves. So, you don't need to feel it. You don't need to smell it, you don't need to hear it or see it. So you don't. Now, if you truly leave it at that, yes, you are basically unconscious. You will wake up later and have no idea what happened. Technically, that too is a switch as the host isn't in control of the body or feeling the physical senses. But that's not what you usually want and I'd call this stage more like something between possession and a true switch. It's not too difficult to start feeling something after that, so just get yourself a nice imaginary body and feel that instead. It's your body now as you're not feeling the other and that's pretty nice. Go do whatever.

 

Ok, so that's another thing that has me confused about whether or not we're doing things right. During possession, if she tries to raise my arm, I have to help her; if I just relax, it falls back down. The same goes for switching, I can't just give my body to her. It feels more like she's the one influencing it, but I'm the one that's actually moving it. If I relax, the body relaxes. Is that something that will be fixed once I can get into the imaginary body and everything you described happens, or am I just doing this completely wrong?

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Possession: the practice of willingly allowing a tulpa to control the body (or individual body parts, such as the hands or vocal chords) of its host

 

Switching: a total transfer of bodily control from host to tulpa, such that the host no longer must consciously observe or mediate the actions their tulpa takes while in control of their body

I agree with the first but realize that the second can apply to the definition i use now, the host no longer must but CAN still observe or meditate the actions. By definition this guide still follows switching guidelines

 

Mine does seem to be the standard however. And no, only the silly new people use the word host to mean the one in control of the body and speak of these "tulpa-like" bodies. You never become a host or a tupper unless you were like that. Sure, a tupper means thoughtform, but isn't the creation also a big part of it? The host never was created even if they have an imaginary form. If both can take on an imaginary form and take control of the physical body, if you keep switching the terms tupper and host around willy nilly, no one will ever know which one you are. Doesn't really matter, but it does to some. That is why the words host and tupper are there, to make it simple to understand your origin. Why don't you and your IRC buddies try to come up with a good one?

Standard in #tuppers? That doesnt mean standard here. Also i said that making the temp body is part of the method steps if that is what you mean, what do you mean? I really cant tell, if you could clarify please. When i say tulpa or host they are referring to the same thing every time so theres absolutely no confusion. Tulpa-Tulpa Host-Host tempbody-tempbody irl body-irl body. There is no reason for a new term either Sands.

 

It's not exactly a method, just something I found out by accident. As in, people who got trouble with all these switching methods could really be working on that possession and find out that the switch will come automatically once they are ready. I don't see any reason why people would force this to happen when the tupper might not be ready to face the world alone in a strange body unless they have had enough practice with it already. You really need to be able to trust them to not hurt themselves.

If theyre not ready then they can choose to not do it, people arent as dumb as you think. They can do it this way if theyre ready and want to do it, and they can do it fast and very well. Youre telling them to waste their time, please realize

 

You must've misread, misunderstood or put words into my mouth. Where did I say something about a daze? I am talking about an imaginary body with imaginary senses

The way you phrased it seemed like you were wanting to desensitize the host therfore putting the host in a dazed state from what i can figure, is this not right?

 

Other things I've noticed: as you possess and you have to pay less and less attention to the body as all the needs are taken care of by your tulpa, you build trust. When you build trust, you don't need to watch over them in case something happen, as you're comfortable with them taking care of it themselves.

Yeah, we know already, we have never said the host has to watch the tulpa in his body in the context of patrolling, so youre assuming things now. . . .

 

So, you don't need to feel it. You don't need to smell it, you don't need to hear it or see it. So you don't. Now, if you truly leave it at that, yes, you are basically unconscious. You will wake up later and have no idea what happened.

You dont need to feel what your irl body feels but you can feel what yout tempbody feels and yes im calling it that. You are conscious the whole time, i dont know why youre assuming things like this.

 

Technically, that too is a switch as the host isn't in control of the body or feeling the physical senses. But that's not what you usually want and I'd call this stage more like something between possession and a true switch. It's not too difficult to start feeling something after that, so just get yourself a nice imaginary body and feel that instead. It's your body now as you're not feeling the other and that's pretty nice. Go do whatever.

Read above, and no this is full switching, moreso than what you provided imo to say the least, what you said is only full possession of the body, the switch in the guide is full switch with the senses, how is it not in your opinions sands?

 

Basically, there is a lot of same between what we have noticed, but I just think there's a lot more useless symbolism in your method. Symbolism is tricky, it can work either really well or not at all if the person using it doesn't agree to it. I'm not too big on symbolism so I don't use it.

Understand symbolism is very effective in tulpamancing, but also understand the guide is not reliant on symbolism. The major symbolism method in the guide would be the 2 orbs in the switching dominance, the rest is directly affecting the method such as moving your voices to the front and back, the opposite of what is is normally to switch the dominance

 

I am worried if people start forcing too young tuppers in control of a strange body, however. Remember to practice somewhere safe and make sure they can use the body well before giving up control and not being there to make sure they will be alright. A physical body takes some time to get used to. Going the possession route is safe even if it takes time, but there is no rush. Just know that possession and switching aren't so different that you have to practice them both and that time spent on one thing is wasted if you want the other. You'll get both if you are willing to practice.

I can agree with most of this, and i will add a note for the tulpas to be developed, however the tulpa has to be vocal for this technique to work as it should, so they are likely developed already. Switching mindvoices is easily undoable and is relatively safe. THey can ease into the body slowly afterward and if they dont like it the host can take over again or the tulpa can break the switch the same way the host started it.

Also, youre speaking things that arent applicable here, you dont need to practice both, you can go right into possession and into switching, and get them both fast with the switching mindvoices. Ill say it again, the intent of the guide is to possess and switch fast and goodly, What youre suggesting is to use unnecessary time to learn it slower, for the same results if im not mistaken? Just sayan


 

But like I said: There's a difference between imagining myself going into the temp body and ACTUALLY going into the temp body. What you're telling me to do is the equivalent of telling me to physically see something with my eyes just by visualizing it. We're talking about two totally different levels here, and I don't know how to get to the second one.

 

 

Ok, so that's another thing that has me confused about whether or not we're doing things right. During possession, if she tries to raise my arm, I have to help her; if I just relax, it falls back down. The same goes for switching, I can't just give my body to her. It feels more like she's the one influencing it, but I'm the one that's actually moving it. If I relax, the body relaxes. Is that something that will be fixed once I can get into the imaginary body and everything you described happens, or am I just doing this completely wrong?

Imagining yourself going into your temp body is a way of entering it, its not very logical yes but it works for numerous people including myself

That sounds like the average possession problem from oguigi's guide. Make her mindvoice stronger and yours weaker, and then try it again with the rest of the steps and see if that helps. By step 3 your tulpa should be able to at least move limbs, so its probably just a weak connection or your will to not give up the body. Once you enter your temporary body it should fall into place, if youre doing it right "persay" provided that you did the rest right and well enough, as step 4 i imagine from what you said is hard to do for yourself. If you can do it, your tulpa will be the only one left in the irl body and will move it because it will let her since there is no one else to move it.

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