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The term "symbolism" was mentioned in one of the guides as a term related to visualization, but I can't find a definition in the glossary or more details on this. Sorry if this next question has appeared before. I have looked but maybe not in the right place.

 

What is "symbolism" and how is it significant as it relates to tulpae creation?

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Maybe it's a vague concept where people find ways to further their understanding on mapping out things, but when it comes to the actual reason that the symbolism is furthering, it becomes problematic as some people may not resonate with the same process. In other words, one person may see visualizing themselves dipping into a pool slowly with their feet, and then the rest of their body as a visual analogue for guided meditation, or just relaxing themselves, but to another person, especially if they can't resonate with the ulterior motive behind things like that, would end up perplexed.

 

Maybe some people don't like utilizing symbolism, or I should say such a limited repertoire because there may be a natural tendency to expand one's abilities. Some may feel the word symbolism itself is an understatement towards development, or even an overstatement because of the presumption that it may work for others, or is formatted and thought as such. Of course, when this realization gets cracked down, there could be a dogma set up where any shred of “symbolic” connotations gets that knee-jerk reaction, “hur duur, dat symbolism doh.”

 

In other words, especially for people who may struggle with a tulpa who thinks they’re someone the host cannot even reconcile, and come to terms into accepting as such, it may give them an awkward experience if they’re not okay with their tulpa being something like, a sun goddess for instance; it could even just entail some kind of –insert psychological analysis of the mind, here-, but some may refuse to dive into it simply because of the probability of furthering that inquisition hunt on who their tulpa are leads to an ontological mess, i.e., something beyond what their cognitive horizon that they’ve been used to.

 

It’s probably a concept that can’t be reconciled so easily because of the emotive responses behind defining it, other than the obvious definition. Sometimes, because of those that may be anti-symbolism, they may be constraining themselves of a useful supplement towards advancing their tulpaforcing endeavors. It’s just, based on how I’ve generally analyzed those circumstances, especially ones where symbolism contributed to developing a tulpa’s disposition, and presumed sense of self and sentience:

 

- The host ends up being afraid of trying to change their tulpa in some way, and/or the tulpa themselves refuses to change who they are. Maybe there could be some dark and deep psyche related justification that either side are predisposed into feeling, or something else entirely.

 

- The host and tulpa, because of their confusion with symbolism, may take it out on others who try to utilize it, and presumably go far because of it. And because of that, that may irritate some individuals that felt they were going through symbolism-free.

 

- Though, that brings up the question of sentience, and how one would utilize that ability to try and make associations with sense data, and what have you. I’m sure symbolism, in some way, is part of that whole endeavor that happens beyond our conscious analysis of things. But if taken with an imagined God's eye point of view, i.e., a grandiose implication of objectivity, that's where the strife occurs between members' opinions. But if taken with subjectivity, and realizing how people make sense of that, then they may take it with a grain of salt, at best.

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Are you saying that the form of the tulpa itself is symbolic or representing something else? Does "symbolism" mean that, during the process of visualization, some may use images or ideas that have meaning to them that they want to be associated with the tulpa?

 

I was unaware that symbolism was a controversial term.

 

~Mistgod

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Nah, he's saying that basically, there's a decent amount of guides that are like: "Now to switch, imagine yourself turning into a bunch of bubbles and dissolving" or something like "To make your tulpa sentient, compress all your knowledge into a book, and give it to them"

 

Basically just when there's actions that are representative of another concept. The idea is controversial because obviously, not all symbolism is going to ring true for everyone, for instance, I've never had symbolism work for me. By a lot of people, it's considered somewhat of a cop-out for guides, because anyone can pull some symbolism out of their ass and try to pass it off as a workable method. Some people have a lot of luck with it though, by imagining the process happening in a way that isn't so literal.

We're all gonna make it brah.

 

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Are you saying that the form of the tulpa itself is symbolic or representing something else?

Oh, I do apologize if that entailed that symbolism is all that a tulpa is. If that were the case, that would be taking an ontological stance(s) that I’m sure others would question the constituents behind it, i.e., the ontological mess at times I mentioned before.

 

Does "symbolism" mean that' date=' during the process of visualization, some may use images or ideas that have meaning to them that they want to be associated with the tulpa? [/quote']

 

Yes, it could, if this was contingent towards directly associating them with a tulpa via visualization. But, if we take into consideration of how words are symbols—a meaning, and how the brain makes predisposed connections with them, you could say symbols, metaphors, analogues, and what have you are names attributed towards unorthodox parts of our language; like a transient placeholder until further analysis has been done to lessen the equivocation behind it.

 

And if we naturally want to associate words, shapes, and other forms of symbols, and making meaning out of them, I would presume this would be one of many attributes behind sentience, and trying to rationalize in a reality that seems too grandiose to figure out all the nooks and crannies. And if this is a presumed attribute of sentience, a tulpa may somehow be utilizing that in their presumed cognitive repertoire. In other words, they would have some presumed process of being able to automatically associate symbols and such to make sense of that. So to those that may be anti-symbolic when symbolism is only contingent to them on what makes a tulpa, a tulpa, it's no wonder there could be people with high skepticism over their journey as they can't reconcile, or even have any urgency in making sense with those symbols; they wonder who their tulpa are when they're probably stripping away that attribute of sentience.

 

It’s just that, the different contexts of symbolism in this forum, tends to have others feel there’s some metaphysical (e.g. ontological theorization) implication behind it, and this why I introduced the ontology analogue, i.e., what one may feel makes a tulpa, a tulpa. This is where the strife may occur because somehow, some people may feel other’s opinions are objective, and feel the person speaking has high-end empirical value behind their theorizing when this could just be a tulpa (mind you, the person assuming what the other person is talking about) that has knee-jerk reactions to tear them down because it could potentially objectify their existence.

 

In other words, tulpas that may take a strong stance on who they feel they are, and yet still feel insecure to how people conceptualize their tulpas differently; there tends to be a predisposed habit (though, I’m not saying this is an inherent thing) of having uniformity with subjectivity towards an implied objective path that they shun others for doing, ironically. This is probably where there’s a paradox in wishful thinking, and it being such because of the apparent equivocation behind symbols, and what have you.

 

To sum those last two paragraph in a nutshell: tulpas that are like “I’m a strong, independent tulpa, who don’t need no host! I’m this, that, and every which way I want to define myself as. Other people should take notice, and come together for uniformity behind our

I mean, mostly my

existence.”

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Got ninja'd because of how long it took me to write this on my phone.

 

When I visited my commune recently, I picked up a book about it there. The book said that the left brain is the conscious, logical side of the brain, and the right side is the unconscious, creative side of the brain. Thus, you can communicate directly with the unconscious mind using symbolism.

 

Of course all of that is hippie pseudoscience. There's really very little difference between the left brain and the right brain. But that bit about communicating directly with the unconscious through symbolism might be true. I've done hypnosis sessions where I manipulate symbols and get real results.

"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson

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Basically just when there's actions that are representative of another concept.

 

Oh I get it now. That's kinda cool actually! Thanks for clearing this up for me! I wonder why this term is not in the glossary? ~Mistgod


Yes, it could, if this was contingent towards directly associating them with a tulpa via visualization. But, if we take into consideration of how words are symbols—a meaning, and how the brain makes predisposed connections with them, you could say symbols, metaphors, analogues, and what have you are names attributed towards unorthodox parts of our language; like a transient placeholder until further analysis has been done to lessen the equivocation behind it.

 

I think this means forcing using symbolic actions, symbolic imaginary objects and visions rather than talking to the tulpa. I think maybe I get it now. Sorry, it is an abstract concept. ~Mistgod

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I wonder that, too. I was going to link you to it, before I realized it wasn't in there.

 

We're planning to overhaul the glossary, anyway.

"If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."

 

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But that bit about communicating directly with the unconscious through symbolism might be true. I've done hypnosis sessions where I manipulate symbols and get real results.

 

I think that personal testimony is our best guide in things that are so subjective and personal. Manipulating symbols, I imagine, would work for some and not so well for others. ~Mistgod


I wonder that, too. I was going to link you to it, before I realized it wasn't in there.

 

We're planning to overhaul the glossary, anyway.

 

Oh, okay thanks! ~Mistgod

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