[General] Daniel's Starter Guide to Creating a Tulpa
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Introduction
Welcome. A tulpa is usually defined as a consciousness inside your mind that is separate from your own. It functions and interacts with you from outside of your conscious thoughts through visualization, imagination and later through self imposed hallucinations (imposition).
Your goal can be simply summed up as trying to create another person inside your mind.

A word of caution you even consider starting
A tulpa is a commitment. If you undertake this process seriously then you are going to be stuck with your tulpa for a long time, perhaps even for the rest of your life. It is important not to rush into creating your first tulpa. Learn as much as you can, talk to people who already have tulpa and learn from them. Immerse yourself in the concept before you even consider taking the next steps towards taking your own.

A brief look at some "slower" techniques
The original techniques published on the forum take a slower and more cautious approach. This is deliberate. They offer a lot of information on meditation and on how to understand the inside of your mind. They have you learning about yourself before you even see your tulpa. All of it is highly useful, but, the guides are often ambiguous when it comes to the tulpa itself.
"After a while of narrating, giving attention, and building the tulpa, it should attain the ability to speak to you on it's own."
"During (the process) you might have noticed the tulpa doing something on its own, or gotten a sudden wave of emotion."
These are from FAQman's and Irish's guides, which can be found on the main page.

The point of this guide is to address this issue by taking charge. By understanding the process sufficiently and not relying on ambiguity we can learn about our new tulpa not by meditating but instead by interacting it.

Step by Step
1. You've read as much as you can about tulpa and understand the premise. You may have also spent quite some time just resting on the idea, weeks, months even. You've now decided you want to start.

2. You'll need to decide what your tulpa is going to look like. It can be a human, an animal or perhaps even a mythical creature. If you can imagine it then it can be a tulpa. If you'd prefer to be ambiguous then you can start with a ball of light or a wire frame and let the tulpa shape itself. You and the tulpa can force it's form to change at any point. Eventually your goal should be to achieve a consistent form but even then remember that some tulpa have multiple forms.

3. A wonderland is a popular but completely optional aid to creating a tulpa. A wonderland is an imaginary landscape inside you mind you can focus on to help your immersion. Such a place can give you common grounds to interact with your tulpa on.
The alternative to a wonderland is simply to use your actual surroundings. If you want to learn more about creating a wonderland there are plenty of guides out there.

4. We're ready to jump off the deep end. You are going to meet your tulpa for the first time. Imagine you are meeting a new person for the first time. You've heard all about them, you probably know what they look like and you have just a little idea what their personality will be like. Now you are going to have a staged encounter.
Imagine your tulpa in the same room as you, or in your wonderland. Then, introduce yourself to them.
Imagine what the tulpa's response will be. You have to make the response seem as real as possible by considering and visualizing every detail you can manage. Imagine their voice, read their body language, follow their eyes. Most importantly, don't stop talking. Keep the conversation flowing no matter where the subject goes, make small talk if you have to.

It doesn't matter how awkward the greeting is. In the beginning the tulpa isn't going to be independent from you at all. It'll feel like you're just talking to yourself. But, you have just created a shell for the tulpa to grow into. You have just started the tulpa process aggressively by taking action instead of passively observing something you don't understand until something might happen.

5. All you have to do now is continue your interaction. The more time you spend interacting with your tulpa the more progress you'll see. You can set a time to spend with them everyday or you can imagine them alongside you as you go about your day. Get them involved in what you are thinking. Discuss you interests, the local news, your opinions on the things you see. Remember to ask for your tulpa's opinions as well, let them hold the other side of the conversation.

Your goal is to get so used to their presence that you can imagine their actions without the actions actively crossing your thoughts. If you reach this point then you have your tulpa. It's still a part of your mind and always will be, but, it does things without you actively thinking about them.

Things to consider
What you've done is often called parroting and puppeting. Parroting means intentionally speaking for your tulpa. Puppeting means intentionally moving your tulpa's body. While many may oppose the use of these techniques to create a tulpa it might help to think of them as training wheels. If you use them correctly you probably won't even notice when the training wheels are taken off.

It is important to remember the entire thing is inside your head. That means the tulpa you create is only genuine if you believe it to be. If you think you'd be able to better convince yourself of your tulpa by taking it slow using another method then by all means. But, if you prefer to learn by doing then this method is for you.
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It's apparent that those who created the older guides eventually realized not to be so paranoid about worst case scenarios with tulpa, since they grow as their host grows as well; that it's a progressive endeavor and that it's not unlikely for a tulpa to always change.

Even if the methods are "slow," even if they aim for "cautious," the mechanics behind it is still logical to me personally as long as you remove the hour count predisposition. There's a difference in willing yourself to have what seems to be a tulpa and developing an ultimate companion that literally can learn as you do the same. There's not really a lot of ambiguity in that process, and just thinking of a tulpa without some planning is more ambiguous and sporadic.

The thing is, people should just plan things out and consider if they want a tulpa for the rest of their lives. Not many people are willing to see themselves sustain the same interest in their tulpae as the years pass. Some people might start becoming bored of them (which I honestly don't know how since they are a crucial part in adding on to our lives), and some might not be able to consistently work with their tulpae. If people just make a tulpa instantly (this is geared towards newcomers), and they don't heavily consider the consequences or conflicts they have to overcome (family, friends, their whole schemata of life), then how can a person expect to have a practical interaction of improvement and development with their tulpa? After all, this is a mental challenge we all have to go through, it takes discipline, knowing how to learn from our mistakes when tulpaforcing, etc., and always trying to be as optimistic and realistic as we can.

The logic behind the planning and the "cautious" approach is that if you're going to do it, you are motivated to commit rather than trying to instantly make a tulpa appear and hope for the best. There are some people who can do that and work with their tulpa on the fly, but my personal opinion is to plan things out beforehand.

Not only just on a tulpa's form/vocality/etc., but also for your beliefs and whether or not you are willing to start tulpaforcing for your own sake (and your tulpae) and not because it's some kind of new fad. Of course, I'm not trying to degrade the guide, I'm just saying that its logic in comparing to older methods is impractical at least looking at it in the long run.
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Also, if people really want to make a tulpa instantly, they have every right to do so, but if a newcomer were to read this guide without reading the basics of tulpa, they might be content and happy with the result, but will they endure the responsibilities and life changes that comes with them coming to existence? Because after their triumph in making a tulpa, when they start having those "Oh s***" moments, they might panic, try to kill the tulpa, waste of time and effort and a part of themselves gone (or invisible for the optimists).

Slow and steady wins the race, because after all, we still have many many many MANY years until our time comes. And those are many many MANY years to interact with our tulpa.

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And your notion with tulpa being within the confines of our mind and that they are sustained through our perception, of course that's the case; and this only validates how taking things slowly (but at a reasonable pace) is practical. As you go through those sessions and interacting with your tulpa daily, you start making things a habit, and you won't feel tempted to just quit or feel worried that you took a few days off without acknowledging your tulpae's existence.
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(04-03-2013, 06:00 AM)CyberD Wrote: In these methods you spend hours directing your attention at the tulpa but you never interact with it until it becomes independent. Because of this we become too cautious. We watch the tulpa closely and study it's every move, waiting for something to happen that we probably won't understand.
But what if that something never happens. Or worse, what if we ignore our tulpa because we are afraid it is just us talking to ourselves.

In saying this, what do you suggest people who have already dedicated 50+ hours to their non-vocal tulpa? Should they just quit and try your method?


(04-03-2013, 11:40 AM)Linkzelda Wrote: Not only just on a tulpa's form/vocality/etc., but also for your beliefs and whether or not you are willing to start tulpaforcing for your own sake (and your tulpae) and not because it's some kind of new fad. Of course, I'm not trying to degrade the guide, I'm just saying that its logic in comparing to older methods is impractical at least looking at it in the long run.

>Steroids

I see where you are coming from, but at what creation time does a person become 'dedicated'? Who decides this? We can't babysit the entire community, I think all we can do is is provide warnings of the responsibilities of creating a tulpa. Does the risk of providing 'those incapable of being a host', methods of speedy creation outweigh the possible benefits to those who are capable?
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So this is another one of those parroting and puppeting until sentience guides? Those have already been around, what's different about this guide when compared to JD1215's and Fede's? Your first line basically refers to this community how it was last summer.

Also if you do use something like this, please don't put your parroted tupper you created five minutes ago on IRC. At that point it's just you making them say things and that's just unfair when you have created relationships for them already before they had a chance to try anything themselves once they actually start forming more of their own opinions. They don't start with a blank slate then, and people could potentially use your words you made them say against them. If you want IRC to help, they should give you questions though, totally. You could then ask the tupper and parrot them or whatever and that seems like it would help.

Being a person who built a tupper over months, I can tell you that even though you think you know them when you have been doing stuff with them for a long time and you have been their creator, once they actually respond on their own, they're someone different. Not completely different and you can see a lot of what you thought they were, but they're themselves. So, you'll basically be having two periods where you get to know your tulpa, pre-vocal and vocal.

Though what do you mean the "slow" ones don't interact with the tupper before they're independent? What was I doing all those months before Roswell was able to talk back with words, oh man. Or even before he moved, there was a time like that too, woah.
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(04-03-2013, 02:15 PM)Maddilyn Wrote: >Steroids
I see where you are coming from, but at what creation time does a person become 'dedicated'? Who decides this? We can't babysit the entire community, I think all we can do is is provide warnings of the responsibilities of creating a tulpa.

You answered your own question there. No one can possibly teach someone how they should think, they have to do that completely on their own. And yes, I am in full agreeance that we can't babysit the entire community, but we can still give our opinions in hopes that people just think things through.

And as for dedication, it's just the fact that the person is being considerate of the effort they're putting into those tulpaforcing sessions/etc. that shows some kind of dedication on their part. It's just simply being committed to the task at hand, that's all. Smile

(04-03-2013, 02:15 PM)Maddilyn Wrote: Does the risk of providing 'those incapable of being a host', methods of speedy creation outweigh the possible benefits to those who are capable

That depends, if a person is mature enough about these things and has clear resolve of what they're doing, then risks won't be much of a bother to them for speedy creation. It's just that with prior planning, you have some kind of foundation rather than something that was conjured up in a few minutes.

Even doing things steady and at a reasonable pace has risks, all methods have some kind of risk, but that's dependent on a person's perception and how they react to what's happening.
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(04-03-2013, 11:40 AM)Linkzelda Wrote: snip

Aha! I knew when I read this guide that something about it rubbed me the wrong way, but I couldn't put it into words. Now I get it. A big part of taking it slow when making a tulpa is realizing the gravity of what a tulpa is. A tulpa is not a toy, and should be treated seriously.
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(04-03-2013, 02:45 PM)Sands Wrote: ...Also if you do use something like this, please don't put your parroted tupper you created five minutes ago on IRC...

(04-03-2013, 08:22 PM)Lacquer Wrote: Aha! I knew when I read this guide that something about it rubbed me the wrong way, but I couldn't put it into words. Now I get it. A big part of taking it slow when making a tulpa is realizing the gravity of what a tulpa is. A tulpa is not a toy, and should be treated seriously.

I hate serial quoting but people are just spouting what I want to say.
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LinkZelda. Thank you for your feedback. I understand that my original guide didn't really address the issues you've discussed. So, I included a large forewarning. My guide isn't about having a huge discussion on how commitment is important but if the reader will take some time before getting started then hopefully they can understand what they are getting into.

It was never my intent to have people jump in immediately. Instant, or day 1, refers to the time you decide to create a tulpa. Not the moment first they discover the term.

(04-03-2013, 02:45 PM)Sands Wrote: Also if you do use something like this, please don't put your parroted tupper you created five minutes ago on IRC. At that point it's just you making them say things and that's just unfair when you have created relationships for them already before they had a chance to try anything themselves once they actually start forming more of their own opinions. They don't start with a blank slate then, and people could potentially use your words you made them say against them. If you want IRC to help, they should give you questions though, totally. You could then ask the tupper and parrot them or whatever and that seems like it would help.

A fair point. But, this isn't a guide about interacting with the community. I think the person creating the tulpa needs to make their own judgement on such issues.

(04-03-2013, 02:15 PM)Maddilyn Wrote: In saying this, what do you suggest people who have already dedicated 50+ hours to their non-vocal tulpa? Should they just quit and try your method?
It's up to the individual. If they think they are making progress then by all means continue. But, if they think they are wasting their time then maybe a more "aggressive" approach could help them out.

(04-03-2013, 02:15 PM)Maddilyn Wrote: I see where you are coming from, but at what creation time does a person become 'dedicated'? Who decides this? We can't babysit the entire community, I think all we can do is is provide warnings of the responsibilities of creating a tulpa. Does the risk of providing 'those incapable of being a host', methods of speedy creation outweigh the possible benefits to those who are capable?
I've done my best to try and address the issue in the updated version. I can't babysit everyone but if a single person can gain something from the guide then I see no reason then I don't see any risk. Many learn best by doing.

(04-03-2013, 02:45 PM)Sands Wrote: So this is another one of those parroting and puppeting until sentience guides? Those have already been around, what's different about this guide when compared to JD1215's and Fede's? Your first line basically refers to this community how it was last summer.

Fede's guide is useful and comprehensive but like many others it skips over the very first interaction. Knowing where to start is a tricky thing and the point here is to address that key moment. Outlining what the host should be thinking and giving them an easy way to approach it.


JD1215's guide is very similar but I feel it skips over a few issues, particularly the use of wonderlands. In the guide using a wonderland is a given. It also completely fails to address the issue that my guide has already gotten a lot of flack for and that is commitment.

My guide isn't about being something revolutionary new and different, it simply offers another perspective on the process and a place I can refer people specifically.
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This sounds like a nice preamble to Fede's guide at the very least. You have a useful perspective to read about. Although I went about it a bit differently, I can agree that it is good for some people to take forward action. Big Grin
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Approved, I already gave a response to this back then before the edit on the guide. It’s more of helping newcomers contemplating more on how careful planning and thought into creating a tulpa that makes the difference in getting rid of common doubts during the initial stages.


Like others used to say despite of them garnering favoritism over Fede, it gives a nice perspective on things.
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