What should a wonderland feel like?

[Welwitschia]

Hi everyone. I've got two tulpae in the making and my progress with them has always been very slow. I never made a wonderland beforehand and I've read that it's much better to have one when forcing, and even after a tulpa is finished being created.

So I've been trying my best to create my wonderland for about a week now. I was wondering what a wonderland is supposed to look/feel like? Is it supposed to be some full-blown hallucination you create after a while, where you really feel like you're somewhere else? Or is it a vague daydream you just imagine inside your head? Is it supposed to get clearer over time?

I've just gotten mixed messages from all the things I've read about them, so I thought I should ask to know what to expect.

 

Thanks!

[Temar]

You're probably getting mixed messages because everyone's a little different. Chances are, when I say "Wonderland" it's something completely different from what other people mean when they say it.

 

How are your visualization skills? Like, if I ask you to visualize a purple rhino playing to violin, what image does it conjure? Do you "see" the color? Can you hear the music? Is the rhino cartoon or realistic? Or does nothing actually pop up in your head at all? Can you construct the rhino, piece by piece, through concentration? Or do you maybe need to look up picture references for rhinos and violins, and then you can do it?

 

That's the thing. Your visualization skills are going to dictate what your wonderland is like, and what it's like to interact with it.

 

And heck, visualization is just one method for doing it. I'm sure there are more.

[NoneFromHell]

I don't see why it would be better to create a wonderland, but if you want to go for it...

 

Well like Temar already hinted, it is a spectrum and can really differ from person to person. It starts with a daydreamlike conditition like you described, but can evolve into a fully realistic environment, which you can feel with all senses. In this case you would need to detach from you physical senses for a really immersive experience.

 

So you're good to go with any version you can make possible for yourself. Just work on it until you're happy with it. Also I might point out that one reason for your slow progress might be that you're working on two tulpas at once. From what I've gathered around here this is probably one of the more slowing down things you could do, like starting to copy two files on windows at once.

[ableddistress]

For me it's a daydream.I hope I can have lucid dreams about it someday.

[earthbound delorean]

my wonderland is basically what i dream about :P

[Vos]

No, I wouldn't say that it's better to have a wonderland. I guess that, if you're wanting to interact with the tulpas in your imagination, sure, go for it, but it's definitely not required to have one and I don't think it would slow your progress down any if you don't have one. What visualization 'feels' like is dependent on your skills - if you're shit, it's not going to be too immersive, but you can work to improve that with some of the exercises people have posted on here.

[Metatron]

Comfy. A wonderland should feel comfy.

 

Specifically, it should be somewhere you (and implicitly your tulpa) should enjoy and feel comfortable with, so as to be easier to force and spend time in it/growing it.

[Luminesce]

If someone like me has a wonderland, I'd say there's good reason around the board to have one. Just gives a sense of stability to your imagined interactions. But, of course, some people don't even visualize interactions with their tulpa, so of course it's not necessary. You could also just not want to, or prefer spontaneous environments to a static one. I don't believe there's an obvious benefit to having a wonderland as opposed to having spontaneous environment generation. But, sure, interacting with your tulpa in realistic scenarios tends to be beneficial for their development and your relationship (and is way easier than imposition).

 

As for what it "Feels" like, there is no should. It could feel like a daydream, a book, some thoughts, a dream, or maybe even an extension of reality. It's up to how visualization works for you, and what level of immersion you have. As with tulpas, there is no "You should do it this way or things might go wrong / Your results should look like this". Also wonderlands don't tend to be sentient so there's even less reason to worry about "doing something wrong" than there already isn't.

[Guest Anonymous]

You have gotten mixed messages because there is a lot of variation in wonderlands and how people visualize. I expect most wonderlands are fairly dream like and not super CGI virtual reality environments.