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Status: Both my tulpae can possess either hand and slowly make a fist, and some wrist movement. Lyra has also been able to slightly move other parts. With a great deal of leading and coaching on my part, Lyra can slowly type short words. We're currently taking a break from working on this to focus more on voice (her choice, not mine, though I really do want better voice).]

(8/27/2012 - Finally updating this... when I wrote it in May, possession was mostly theoretical and considered likely impossible; today all the cool tulpae on the IRC are doing it. I'd been adding new methods to the list, but now it's closer to a guide than an idea dump.)

 

A more abstract look at possession can be found in this article by glitchthe3rd.

 

Possession is letting your tulpa control your body. Switching is when a tulpa fully controls your body, and you are either imposed or live in the wonderland, like a tulpa. One note on switching: contrary to what seems obvious, you do not necessarily become your tulpa; you'll more likely have the same imaginary body you normally do in the wonderland, or whatever you like it to be. Both are temporary and usually require a lot of practice to make work well. This post acts as a mini-guide and provides a list of methods and ideas that may help you.

(Note: I sometimes use the pronoun "she" for the tulpa. I do this because "it" is generally insulting to a sentient being, and because I'm used to doing it with my first tulpa Lyra.)

 

So far when I do it, the body part being possessed feels like it's moving on its own. It's much like involuntary muscle movements like those random twitches that are common in deep relaxation. Here it's often either slow movements or a series of twitches that make up a single larger motion. During it, the part often tingles and then goes numb, similar to when a limb goes to sleep, though it feels somehow different. I also get tingles from a tulpa focusing on the physical sensations in the limb.

 

At first, movement will likely be slow, clumsy, twitchy and weak, but should improve with practice. There are two real barriers that must be overcome to make it work: you giving up control, and the tulpa taking it. Of these, the former appears to be the more difficult, for me at least. So far, what I do is moderately relax one or both hands, and give a tulpa permission to control them. Too much relaxation seems to make them heavy and more difficult for either of us to move. Too little relaxation and I'm more likely to remain in control myself, or seize back control automatically when they start to move.

 

Once you relax and let go, try not to focus on the body part you're trying to get your tulpa to possess. If you focus on it at first, you'll either force it still or expect it to move and move it yourself. If it starts to move on its own, try not to shift your focus to it or think about how weird it feels. Doing so will almost inevitably grab back control and either stop any motion or continue it yourself. This part has been particularly difficult for me, as part of my body moving without me causing it to is something that grabs my attention. Try to focus instead on anything else, possibly an engaging video or visualization. If possible focus on the tulpa, as this attention will encourage her and strengthen the connection to you.

 

Another huge point is patience, as with anything else tulpa. Getting things working well takes time. When any movement occurs, no matter how faint, tell your tulpa she's doing well. Try to take a positive view of any tiny result yourself, too. If you get frustrated, calm down or take a break. When frustrated, you won't be able to let go of your control as effectively, nor will you come off as very encouraging to your tulpa. Similarly, take a break if your tulpa becomes too frustrated. Getting this down will likely be difficult, and neither of you needs any more frustration than the process itself causes.

 

Three important distinctions to make between types of possession/switching:

  • Whole body or only parts? Parts would be preferable if one has some reservations about trying this, or to let both the tulpa and host do stuff at once (like, let the tulpa control one hand). Obviously switching can't be anything other than the whole body. Both of these work, and most people start with hands/arms only and work up to fully body if desired. With full body, the face and voice are often still controlled by the host, but can be tulpa-controlled with practice.
  • Who must be complicit to initiate or end possession? Obviously, few would be willing to try something where the tulpa could grab control at any time or has to willingly hand control back to the host. At least at first, all possession and switching requires consent of both parties, and the host can VERY easily seize back control at any moment. With loads of practice, control can be seized by the tulpa, as with a few like glitchthe3rd, but most tulpae are very reasonable and at least wait for permission.
  • Where does the host go during it? For possession, you're in your head watching as your body moves. For switching, you go away to your wonderland or your tulpa imposes you the same as you do her.

 

From my personal experience, I've seen 3 types of muscle control: (This is conjecture)

  • Direct: Control of individual muscles, or groups of muscles. It's the lowest level of control, and seems to lead to generally slow and clumsy movement. This is mostly what Lyra appears to do so far. I can't seem to do it myself. (Most tulpae used to doing possession advise against thinking about the individual muscle movements as it's complex.)
  • Limb: This is basic use of muscle memory, willing a limb to move in a given way. For instance, bending a finger a certain way. This gives smoother, quicker movement than direct control. Lyra can do this some, and obviously I can too.
  • Full muscle memory: Think of the action and the actual limb motions involved happen almost completely automatically. This happens most with very familiar activities. I think a direction and walk in it; I think of a word and type it. It takes conscious effort to pay attention to exactly how my legs or fingers are moving. Lyra hasn't gotten to this point at all yet.

 

I mention the above because there seem to be different ways that a tulpa can insert her intentions into your motor system. I have encountered two real ways so far: (Again, conjecture and from my own experience)

  • Direct: As above. This would be closer to the actual muscles and appears to require more time to get good at, yet some seem to have mastered this. I theorize that the tulpa develops similar processing of the movements to what you do, but generally having access to the same muscle memories. That is, they don't have to learn to walk "from scratch" like you did, but still starts out slow and jerky. (This is what my tulpae do currently.)
  • Intentions: The tulpa makes you feel a desire to make a certain movement, and you do. At the start it feels like just moving limbs yourself, but doing what your tulpa wants. With practice it becomes more automatic. I theorize that this shares more of your motor processing, as it appears to be a question of just getting used to taking these intentions and acting on them without thinking. As such, it should yield faster results. (Lyra seemed to be trying this at first, but I explained that I would rather not involve my own conscious in the process. I felt it would likely raise issues down the road if we want to do things like switching, possession while I sleep, or typing different things with each hand.)

(Or do some of both, using the intentions kind to help her get access to your muscle memory...?)

 

Here are some ideas I've had or heard on how to achieve possession. Ultimately most of these boil down to methods for convincing the brain that the tulpa is in control now. No matter which method you try, entering a trance state or relaxing and letting go seem to help most people.

These are short descriptions intentionally. Everybody who does them does it slightly differently. Take the idea and fill in details as feels best to you, or try permutations until you hit on something that works.

  • Just give permission, either with or without relaxing the body part(s) to be controlled (this is the most straightforward and what I'm doing mostly)
  • Have your tulpa put her hands into yours, like putting on a glove (commonly called "meat glove" or "meat suit"; as claimed by Cyclone; Glitch reports this works for full-body as well; seems to be common)
  • Body suit / motion capture device type thing (commonly called "body suit"; JD1215 uses this)
  • Imagine the tulpa's body part to be something like a ghost possessing your body part (variation on the glove thing)
  • Just "pushing buttons in your brain" (TOG's Clair suggested this as a first step - similar to "just give permission")
  • Relax and visualize draining energy from your arm (or other body part), leaving it "empty", and let the tulpa figure out a way to control it (Semi-Nomadic)
  • Let the tulpa do all the work, apart from allowing it to happen; you might feel a "pressure" or their "presence" shifting to different parts of your body (done by the wind listens before the tulpa was able to speak)
  • Tulpa's movements directly control yours; mirror analogy, you are the reflection; an android tulpa may see it as "uplinking" their movements to yours (tulpacouple)
  • Imagine sensory/motor streams and have your tulpa connect to them (itsblah and WreckingFist; I did this initially)
  • Game controller or something similar to control you (Glitch did this with Elise)
  • Inverse puppeting: tulpa instructs, you do. Eventually you should start to do it automatically. Then move on to control via thoughts rather than words. (This appears to be a different form of possession, and may lead to smooth movement faster; see "intentions" in the list above)

 

Here's a few ideas on how to do switching. These are all much more experimental or untested, as only 3 people currently in the community have done it successfully. I've marked those people's methods by name; the others haven't resulted in any successful switching yet.

  • OBE and then have the tulpa enter your body instead of you, as suggested in this thread.
  • Do full body possession, then have the tulpa impose you. This places your sense of presence in an imagined form outside of your body. Awareness of the body's sensations fades after somewhere around an hour of this, faster with practice. This does require a very strong tulpa. (Atasco)
  • Do full body possession, then disconnect your physical senses. (Heaven only knows how one would do this last bit.) (ClintRockfoot)
  • Drain self into a form in the wonderland, then have tulpa inhabit body. I suspect this requires a good deal of practice and likely previous experience with dissociating from the body, since it's basically inducing an OBE first. (Fuliam)
  • Similar to body part possession but do it with your personality instead.
  • Possession during sleep? (Paxafarus)
  • This, this, and this. (Note: these are written for "multiples", who get something like unimposed tulpae without tulpaforcing; hence the different terminology.)
  • Tesseract's method, which is basically putting the subconscious into a state that allows it (feels like the mind "unraveling" or "coming apart at the seams"), then the host and tulpa each push their minds into the other's space. (WARNING: Tesseract reports bad side effects using this method, such as temporary loss of short term memory and memory gaps. However her situation is rather unique and the side effects -- as well as the method itself -- may be specific to her.)

Lyra: human female, ~17

Evan: boy, ~14, was an Eevee

Anera: anime-style girl, ~12; Lyra made her

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The switching bodies aspect is the one that inreigues me. It would allow us to see through the eyes of the tulpa, to experience things as a tulpa would. Not to mention it allows the creator to take on a completely new form, possibly even one that would be impossible in the real world.

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That idea interests me too. I'd love to try it if mine was done.

Does anyone know if it's possible? Or anyone try it yet? Or can someone try it?

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Thank you so much, Chupi! I'd been waiting for this this thread for a while. It had to happen at some point. It's high time this phenomenon was proved to be fact or fantasy.

 

Any willing testers?

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I most certainly will do it when my tulpa is finished / close to finished. She doesn't speak yet, but I told her earlier that I'd start working on possession shortly after I give her access to my thoughts and memories. And I'll do that once she's fluent and we develop a close relationship.

 

The all-out body switch fascinates me... I'd be really interested to experience what being the tulpa is like.

 

Also note that this is something that can be proven true (if you believe whoever tests it...) but not false. If someone tries and fails, they might just be doing it wrong.

Lyra: human female, ~17

Evan: boy, ~14, was an Eevee

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Personally, when my tulpa is done, I will only work on the body-switching aspect. To avoid the potential problems of two minds for two minds for one body. Once this progresses (or refises to progress) I will probably try other styles. the body swap seems the hardest, so getting the hardest out of the way should make the others easier, right?

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Seems to me it would work better to work your way up to it...

 

Also note that body swap seems to me the most likely to require effort to reverse, and/or require the tulpa to voluntarily hand back the controls.

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I most certainly will do it when my tulpa is finished / close to finished. She doesn't speak yet, but I told her earlier that I'd start working on possession shortly after I give her access to my thoughts and memories. And I'll do that once she's fluent and we develop a close relationship.

 

The all-out body switch fascinates me... I'd be really interested to experience what being the tulpa is like.

 

Also note that this is something that can be proven true (if you believe whoever tests it...) but not false. If someone tries and fails, they might just be doing it wrong.

It's one of those things which you can prove to yourself, but not to others. Not unlike tulpae, although it's very curious what the underlying neurological effects of tulpae are.

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But if your tulpa isn't a douchenozzle, it should be fine. This is something that requires immense trust. In fact, this seems like something that could potentially strengthen the bond between creator and tulpa.

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    • By testing
      Reformatted version: here
       
      This is the shortened version of the guide that only shows how to do possession and switching, the other guide has information on how to merge, and additional information such as more details on the process and a questions section. If you want to read that guide it is here. This shortened guide also has a pastebin if that is more convenient for you here <3
      This guide is simply a shortened version of the guide that is shortened to 5 of the 13 sections taken directly.
      A personal note, i have been switching for a while now and have used many different techniques, the one below is the one that i have found both effective and easy to explain compared to what the other things are. This is Version 1.0, and will be edited if need be. Im posting it because i have had a few people get good results with it.
      Disclaimer
      This guide requires a rather well developed tulpa, as it does put some strain on the host and tulpa. They should be sentient vocal and have had sufficient time to be comfortable in their own bodies before they use anyones besides theirs. Additionally do not attempt movements that put you or your tulpa at risk such as walking fast around your house at least until you are confident and trained that you can control the whole body. It is advised to train on your bed as well so if you fall you wont be injured as much
      There is no set time that this guide and process will take, i have sped it up but it can be your first try (such as me) or it could take weeks who knows
       
      Introduction:
      I will first assume that you are aware of what switching is but in case you dont, it is when the tulpa can use the hosts body as if it were her own and the host is moved into a temporary mindform. This guide is made to allow for the host and tulpaes to switch much easier and smoother and also learn an easy method of possession following the same tecniques. If you are not at all willing to give your body to your tulpa temporarily, or permanantly as Koomer has done, then sadly this guide will not work for you. We do recommend reading Oguigis possession and the other switching guide as well, to increase your understanding of the processes involved with said methods. That being said the rest of the guide will be the real method
       
      The Shortened Tulpa Guide to Easy Switching
       
       
      Definitions:
      Mindvoice: What you and your tulpa speak in to yourselves and each other
      Possession: When a tulpa can control the hosts body
      Switching: Switching places with the tulpa so the tulpa is in the place of the host and the host is in a tulpa state
      Merging: In this version, it is when both tulpa and host as dominant with the mindvoices and can both control the body. Others refer to merging as merging wntire forms, usually permanently, as believed. This is not the merging described in the long version of the guide
       
      Begin Switching
      Get comfy, and have your tulpa nearby, sentience and vocality are required to do a switch with this method, so have your tulpa at that level first.
       
      Step 1 Switch whos thoughts are dominant
      This is very important and very useful to many many techniques of tulpa
      Take a deep breath first and relax or whatever you like so you are comfortable
      Normally people tell me that their voice is dominant, their voice is in the "front of their head," and their tulpas voice is in the "back of their head" or that they hear mostly their voice and some thoughts of their tulpa. The goal of this paragraph and step is to reverse that. Have your tulpas voice become dominant over yours in any way you like. If you can do that without any help then move on if you dont keep reading
       
      >You can imagine your tulpas voice moving to the front of your head and yours move to the back
      >You can make their voice louder and yours much more quiet
      >You can imagine 2 orbs with 2 different colors, one smaller sized orb representing your tulpas mindvoices and one larger orb representing your own mindvoice(s), and have your tulpaes orb grow in volume while yours decreases in volume, or however you want
      The 3 i mentioned are the methods that Ive told people to use but if you have a different method, that is no problem if you can get your tulpaes mindvoice as the dominant mindvoice you hear. This does not mean you should hear every word they say as words, think about how you think to yourself, you hear words, random thoughts and ideas wandering thoughts. It should be the same for your tulpa, and how they hear their tulpa voice, except their thoughts should be heard the same way you hear your own and yours should be how you hear your tulpa, bottom line is switch mindvoice dominance from yours to your tulpaes.
       
      Please note the following
      >If your tulpa is dominant, it will be harder for you to think, so the tulpa will have to do more work for the next few steps and it is advised to read the guide at least once before trying it so you know what youre doing
      >Switching mindvoices does not mean you use her voice and the tulpa uses your real voice, it is switching places so that the tulpas is dominant, and is mentioned twice because it is important in this guide
      >To confirm that you are doing it right, if you were asked a question about yourself, your tulpa should reply first before you reply, it just does that by itself, if you have that then you switched dominance and are doing it correctly. You also may try to do this to switch mindvoices, by having their reaction override your own speed.
      >At this point i have been told the tulpas voice is much clearer than before so that is something to look for as well and a method of training vocality if you wish
       
      Step 2 Possession
      On the side if you havnt, check out Oguigi's guide for a nice introduction and description of possession and what it does
      At this step you should be able to do a possession easier, either with this or Oguigi's method. You can use the mindvoice swap with her guide for likely better results in posessing.
       
      Keep in mind that the brain is "supposed to send signals" that control the body so if your tulpa can send signals to your body just like you do then your tulpa can possess your body by using that. This can be done easier because your tulpaes thoughts are the dominant ones, so if they wish to lift an arm it will be easy to do so.
       
      Another method is to think about how you move your arm, send that feeling to your tulpa or have them think about how they move their own body, and as the dominant mindvoice, they should be able to move your body quite easily without much effort at all. In other words have them send signals to your body while using your body. Try to have your tulpa move your arm while she is the dominant mondvoice, move it like you move it yourself
      Its not anywhere close to impossible, you do it with yourself all the time, just by typing, so your tulpa can do the same thing. Just teach them how.
       
      Step 3 Tulpa coming in your bodie
      There are plenty of ways to do this and all of them work, but i will explain a simple and easy to understand method that is effective and that i have recommended to people.
      Keep in mind that things such as exposing your back are unnecessary but will help for people that are new to switching and merging. Expose your front and back with no large objects stopping your path such as your chair, shirts and pants are fine but we go shirtless and with clothes so it doesnt make a difference. Get in a position where your tulpa can reach your chest. Regardless of form, have them sit on your lap for the time being, for the purpose of this guide.
      Have them sit on your lap then have their body become and feel less opaque, or clearer, like less solid, just solid enough to slide into your body. You can do other methods to have them enter your body, such as imagining a hole in your back and having them slide in, it doesnt matter as long as it is the same result. Have her be almost "hook up" to your body parts. If they are not the same size or humanoid its the same concept and the process will still work, which i know because Hanyuu is a wormy even though humanoid or pony is easy for this. For example if they move their arm your arm should move as well and vice-versa and at the exact same time.
      After that, they should be able to move your body as if it was possession, because it is in a way possession of your body except they can control it directly as if it were their own body. This should be made easier by having your mindvoices switched. Keep in mind everything here is normally reversible by doing the opposite techniques.
       
      Step 4 Give your body to your tulpa
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      You can just jump consciousnesses directly into the body if you are able to do that way, its the same thing. Control your mindform in your own wonderland, it is the exact same process to control an irl tulpabody, make your voice in your irl voice both weaker and quieter, and make your tulpabodys voice stronger, the same strongness as a tulpas voice normally is. At this point, also, the tulpa should maintain you to some extents, because you are the tulpa and your tulpa is the host position. You will naturally maintain yourself of course but you dont need to think about maintaining yourself, your tulpa should do that more than your body in the state that its in as a tulpa.
       
      Look with the bodies eyes and sense with the body senses just as tulpaes do with their body. You should be able to figure it out, just become the mindform, or have the mindform pull from your body but be sure that youre controlling it. It is a temporary body that should be formed from only your thoughts, just as a servitor styletype body. Theres plenty of ways to do this.
       
      Once you have your consciousness and or thoughts in the mindform body, your tulpa should be able to weakly control your body at first and will get stronger at it, or or will be able to strongly control your body right away. This is done because your tulpa is the only one left in your body so all movements that the body does are hers now and not yours. That is all you need to do. Keep practicing that until you are comfortable switching.
       
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      H: From the tulpaes point of view, it should be like the hostmasters normal point of view, meaning they should use the body just as if it were their own, as well as have full access to all 5 senses provided by the body. They should also hear the host as he would hear a normal tulpa. Also i repeat that not all thoughts are to translated into english and you should hear thoughts just as your hostmaster does. I mean that you should also hear thought ramblings and subconscious thoughts.
       
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      Step 5 Undoing possession, switching, and merging, the most important step
      Step 6 in the first guide is this step if you look at the numbers, step 5 in the first guide is merging but it is cut out in the guide so the numbers are as they are. Why is it the most important step? If you dont do this step your tulpa may feel tired, sometimes, even a little out of it. Dont worry if this happens, from what ive heard its somewhat normal but its a thing easily fixable. it is likely not overly harmful as it will usually return to normal soon. If you dont switch for very long times such as days or weeks and if you know what you are doing then it should also not be a problem. If you are newer to switching, and afterward your tulpa feels fatigued, again dont worry, its easy to fix. Imagine them exiting your body and back into theirs, its that simple but if your tulpa ever gets tired after switching or whatnot this is the solution. This should be done at the end of most or almost all switching sessions, moreso if you are beginning to learn to switch, to keep things simple on switching.
       
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      Both I and someone else using my methods have had our tulpaes get the tired feels at least once, and when we unswitched it returned to normal without much difficulty from either the host nor the tulpa
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    • By Jamie
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      I'm curious what counts as "you" and what doesn't. Overall, most people seem to agree along the lines of the body is a tool, but after that things may break down. If mindset and labeling the "I" is important, then we need to know what needs the "I" label and what doesn't.
       
      When looking at our system and our possession dynamic, we noticed three general parts of me:
       
      -The guy standing in wonderland speaking in mindvoice (aka my Gray form)
      -The entity controlling the body
      -A primitive chunk of me that emits raw thought and observes reality
       
      I know these parts are separate for the following reasons:
       
      1) I can stand in wonderland and be reacting to what's happening with the body at the same time, so the first two parts are separate. Even though I am more experienced at managing this separation than Ranger and the Grays, they have also experienced this separation.
       
      2) In a temporary integration attempt with Ranger, he tried to absorb all of me. I was mostly absorbed into him to the point where Ranger realized he was an integration for a brief moment in a dream he had while taking a nap. However, Ranger felt there was still more of me to absorb and he couldn't absorb it, despite his best efforts. Given that Ranger absorbed the other two parts, we concluded that this third part is separate from the other two.
       
      3) When merged with Ranger, we have found that I can break merges if I feel the pressing desire to do so. Again, the first two parts are absorbed, so we assumed that this piece is separate from the former two. The only exception was our first merge, Aziraphale, where he neared the point of blacking out when he thought of us as separate entities, so we concluded that this piece of me was at least partly absorbed into that merge.
       
      Part of the annoyance is identifying what the third part is. Referring back to reason 3, it's the part of me that's directly connected with the body and does in fact relate to consciousness. I believe this is a critical piece of "you" that needs to be switched out during a switch, but others have disagreed.
       
      Rejecting the idea it is a part of me would be problematic. We would have to accept that our possession is switching and it will not change the fact Ranger will still experience all of the same problems of losing body control to me or blending with me as part of being "switched out". In other words, we would be agreeing to a model that assumes the host and tulpa are unequal and the host has power over all of the tulpas indefinitely. I feel like calling this part the body OS will have the same results. It still falls on the model that the host is superior since the "body OS" just prioritizes the host, and the tactic to accomodate that is to barely make the host active at all and hope that the tulpa can express themself the majority of the time to minimize issues with blending and confusion.
       
      The model we believe in is the one where a tulpa and host can trade positions, so a tulpa can gain the unequal leverage a host normally has and give it back, thus making a tulpa fundamentally equal to a host. Our model assumes only states of consciousness are designed on unequal footing, the "host" and "tulpa" positions, but not the tulpa and host themselves.
       
      However, I made a lot of assumptions regarding what fundamentally counts as you and what doesn't. It's possible that the piece of me in wonderland for example is less of me than I originally thought. In fact, is it a piece that I should even be considered as being me?
       
      Here are some other questions I thought of:
       
      + Is mindvoice really you, or how Ranger put it, are you your words?
      + Is your presence you, or is it a label, like a name?
      + Are you your form? What is symbolism and why is it used as a guide during switching?
      + Are you your emotions? Are emotions like a tool, just like language? Does the body force you to feel things or are emotions always generated by the identity?
      + Are memories you? Is the "I" label the only reason why the identity is yours, or is there more to it than that?
      + Is your thought process you?
      + When you dwell on your thoughts, is that you reacting to a collection of thoughts and memories sitting in short term memory? Is that a process shared by everyone in the mind or just you?
      + What is an internal narrator? Is it mindvoice or is it a thought process? Why is it you? Is it parallel processing if there are multiple of these?
       
      This is far from a complete list, so if you believe there are missing or redundant parts feel free to call them out.
    • By TheMortalHulk
      We tried switching, and I wanna ask, is this right?
       
      1. I still can feel everything that's happening, except Joe is the Main voice and POV (at least I think he is. I was able to think of other stuff while he was doing something else entirely, but only for a short time)
      2. By the time we got home and I'm in control, Joe needed to rest for a while
       
      I just want to make sure we got it right
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