Tulpa Anatomy

[G|d30n]

So, I've discussed this issue with a few users and mentioned the topic in a few threads already and it was suggested that I make a thread about this. Basically, I'm giving an overview of a visualization method that's worked for Avalanche and me, and also looking for thoughts on the topic.

 

Forcing anatomy isn't exactly a traditional method so far (what is traditional with tulpae though?) and it seems to be something not many have mentioned having done. There are some benefits to it, however, both from practical standpoints and just as visualization techniques. The good news is, it's not really any harder than forcing anything else during visualization and preparation time is minimal.

 

You really only need a high schooler's/first year college student's understanding of the human body, which nearly all of us already have. You should also review some charts for a visual refresher. Looking at scientific charts can be boring, of course, so here's a picture of two x-ray'd women fighting for some reason:

 

[broken image removed]

 

You enjoy that. Anyway, I don't want to bog down this post with a bunch of images so here are a couple links to some more scientific references:

 

Bone structure.

 

All the gross stuff.

 

So now that we got that of the way, why should we force anatomy into our tulpae? Well, there are some benefits to it, both to the tulpa's development and for your benefit as well. For the most profound one, I'm going to quote Avalanche: "When I put the brain in there was a very dramatic effect...When I put my hands on her head and imagined a brain inside, she went from puppet stiff and lifeless to being all limp and unconscious, but there was like there was life in her."

 

So that's obviously something we all want--a jumpstart to our tulpa's mental development, and it's easily accomplished with just a single visualization exercise that ties the personality you developed to the body you're forming.

 

There are more benefits though, one being to the process of visualization. From my own experience, I was having a trouble with sliding proportions in the first day of visualization. That is to say--and many seem to express this problem--I'd focus on one part of my tulpa, and then things would get weird when I stopped paying attention and moved on. It wasn't just something that could be attributed to deviation either. Her arms would suddenly be different lengths, her legs would be too long. She wasn't looking like a person and it was starting to freak me out a little, so I forced a skeleton inside her and that seemed to fix it right away.

 

There's a more subtle benefit too that I've noted in my own experience. Those of you who have a background in game design, robotics, psychology, or who just read a lot of things on the Internet (that sounds like all of us I'm guessing) will be familiar with the uncanny valley--the idea that when something looks really close to human, but isn't, it freaks us out. There are a lot of subtle biological processes that set humans apart from robots or mannequins or other human-like things that freak us out. Our respiratory, digestive, and circulatory processes all cause us to shift our weight around when we stand or sit, breathe (obviously), move our muscles subtly when we're in a relaxed state--without those things, we look like Stepford Wives and it's kind of creepy, and you don't want to be creeped out by your tulpa, right?

 

So, TL;DR, study some anatomy, and force it into your tulpa.

[Guest Albatross_]

So exactly how much detail should i be putting into this? Will the just the basics be enough?

 

*psst*

 

it's all in your head, so...it's your prerogative

 

*/psst*

[Malix]

For others that are making ponies and want to try this: http://www.deviantart.com/download/266613688/pony_anatomy_101_by_spiritto-d4eqgfs.jpg

 

Because equine back-legs are weirder than most people realise.

[G|d30n]

So exactly how much detail should i be putting into this? Will the just the basics be enough?

 

Good guide btw , i was wondering if i should do this or not

 

Thanks! Glad it's informative for some people. How detailed you want to be is up to you. I went pretty thorough with mine, but you could also just force the things that which serve an immediately apparent function, like heart, lungs, brain, veins, nervous system, spine, stomach, etc. I think nervous, circulatory, and respiratory systems are the most essential to making your tulpa appear fully alive, but however much detail you want to give is up to you.

[Sands]

Vocal cords. Things that made my tupper from a mute to a chatty one. I was asked to post MY WAY here, but it honestly wasn't anything complex and not really even a "way", just some normal forcing bullshit.

 

Study vocal cords fgts.

 

Oh man look at this drawn picture of vocal cords. I could post photos but well yeah. Kinda icky. Go Google them. Also you don't actually close vocal cords for speech, not completely. It just stops airflow. You gotta keep them slightly open.

 

And that's where vocal cords are. Good fun.

 

 

I just went into his throat, made some nice vocal cords and controlled them with my probing mindfingers, showed that you can't keep them completely open as then you will just breathe and make breathy noises. You also can't completely close them or you stop the airflow (made them close and he did flinch like air suddenly stopped rushing in against his will). I tightened them so that there was just a little gap, told him that this is how you speak. I then released by grip and told him to try, listening closely. He talked - which of course was suspicious - but it was him. Gotta believe and all that. I can now say that it was him and things are just great.

 

Do note that it is still mind speech and not actual speech for me, but it might help with audible hallucinations as well. But I feel like your brain wants more foolin' for that. He also was very much sapient at that point and we could communicate via all kinds of methods, just not speech. Doing this to a tupper you just started might not give quick results, but it can't hurt. It might also be you that this method is helping, actually starting to believe that now they are able to talk and they will. Because obviously before vocal cords they lacked them and weren't able to talk, but now they are because they have them.

 

 

[Avalanche]

 

Beautiful and yet disturbing at the same time.

 

Another vocals related but non anatomy related trick I use it to give you tupper a mic and a speaker connected the to mic. Get them to talk into the mic and listen to the speaker. It's gotten me some pretty good results. I find that if you are having trouble with it, make the speaker a bigger, heavy duty one and turn up the volume.

[optimusjamie]

Thanks, this has been a really great help. I'll be putting it to use when I do some forcing tomorrow.

[Brohanu]

Personally I'd think Artist's anatomy is more important than Biological anatomy, because we're not looking inside of our tulpas, we're looking at them.

Here's a crash course to save some folks the trouble of googling.

 

FACE:

>the width of the head is five eyes

>the width of the nose = width of an eye

>there's a vertical line between the inside edge of the iris and the corner of the mouth

>the top of the nose and the corners of the mouth are an isosceles triangle

>the corners of the chin and the bottom of the nose are an isosceles triangle

>the face is divided into three equal parts:

Hairline - Eyebrows

Eyebrows - Bottom of the Nose

Bottom of the Nose - Chin

 

TORSO:

>Divided into three different parts:

Vertex of the Clavicle - Xiphoid (nub in your breastbone)

Xiphoid - Navel

Navel - Pubic Arch

 

Average person is 7 heads tall.

Arms are 2.5 heads long

Legs are 3.5 heads long

 

I find this structure of equal sections, relationships and lines as much better a scaffold than a human skeleton.

[Rythym Flow]

So Rai and I gave this a try, organs are a good idea stomach, lungs and heart all make Rai seem more alive (Breathing, pulse and she can now eat).

 

Also Rai was saying that her old body was a little "Floppy" that without bone structure it tended to stretch and warp, this was easily fixed with new bone structure, also mussel structure made it very easy for her to understand how her body moves (or is suppose to) without bones she said she was essentially copying what she had seen other animals do in my memories.

 

Finally understanding your Tulpae body a little better helps with visualization and movement and using the technique mentioned (The hands on approach) is a great way of bringing you and your Tulpae together as it forces you to imagine how they feel and how they move quite nicely (I often asked Rai to try out her new body and limbs to see how they where working in X-ray)

 

TL:DR its a good Idea do it

 

EDIT:

Me and Rai also added a Nervous system now she can feel more than just change in temperature, and with that a brain.

 

Here's where things got interesting, I added the brain as part of the nervous system and two days ago I realized that it was "dead" or more appropriately switched off, so with a little zap of electricity I turned it on.

 

Rai says "it was like suddenly this void opened up in my head and everything that use to surround me in terms of memories just got sucked up into my head at first it was kind of scary all of this new information but eventually I started to rationalize it to understand it a little better"

 

"Well before I use to just have ideas randomly pop into my head now I have thought patterns trains of thought, sometimes I can just sit inside my own head and think for hours"

[ThunderClap]

I can see potential usefulness in this guide for those struggling with the details of visualization and/or imposition. I like this guide and have used it in the past with success, so I approve of it for [Visualization]

[Sands]

This isn't a guide. But the entire thread is full of interesting things that could help people, so I think it has potential to go to Resources. And really, people should post more of these things, it has turned into a sort of a community project by now, so why not let it be that. Post your pony anatomy all you want, guys. This is the place where it could be helpful and easily found.