Canon Pony Tulpa

[Sands]

I could be tsundere instead, just like one of those animu grills in chinese cartoons.

 

Well anyways these posts will be deleted once a mod sees them. I guess I'll just try to slap something here so it looks almost on topic. Humanity wouldn't get anywhere unless we didn't share our knowledge with others. There are some things we can't tell you and you have to find the answer on your own. But if we can tell you, we'd be dicks if we didn't. And self-discovery should never, ever happen at the expense of someone else. Get hurt, killed or maimed on the path to self-discovery on your own because you wanted to, sure, go ahead. But you can only put yourself on the line and no one else.

[Linkzelda]

ITT: Two people have superiority complexes, they can't see even when the person was mirroring everything they stated. We're also conjuring up worst case scenarios when they haven't even happened or has any chance of becoming real as well

 

I could be tsundere instead, just like one of those animu grills in chinese cartoons.

 

Well anyways these posts will be deleted once a mod sees them. I guess I'll just try to slap something here so it looks almost on topic. Humanity wouldn't get anywhere unless we didn't share our knowledge with others. There are some things we can't tell you and you have to find the answer on your own. But if we can tell you, we'd be yogurt cannons if we didn't. And self-discovery should never, ever happen at the expense of someone else. Get hurt, killed or maimed on the path to self-discovery on your own because you wanted to, sure, go ahead. But you can only put yourself on the line and no one else. p

Now, you're making this a big deal with this whole "getting hurt, killed or maimed" in the path of self-discovery. You're making it look like a tulpa will want to kill the person, to go through a self-hatred to kill the host and themselves. Now, that's not something improbable, but when it comes to a person's own mind, their own fucking mind, creating these predispositions of worrying about the conflicts and trying to protect everyone with "don't do this" or "don't do that" is merely your perception on being at war with yourself, an extension of yourself that you label as a tulpa.

 

You tend to distract a lot from what was stated Sands, you agree to the notion that the person makes their own decision in the end, and that you can't go into their minds and control their own internal system of thinking. But you still gravitate towards these "what ifs" that have yet to be made real in OPs case, you're only doing it because you want to get in the last word.

 

Sands, you are not a parent here, you're trying to help, and we get that, but you don't scare people with this bullshit on getting killed, maimed, or hurt during the process of self-discovery, that is a risk that they will take no matter who much you try to echo this to us. Any knowledge/prize/enlightenment/betterment of self overall will always have some risk involved, but it sure is as hell worth it when you learn how to go through the journey of building that knowledge and competence to see things through the end. No one is denying that bad things may come, and we can tell people our experiential learning into this, but it's their life. The only thing we can do is guide them and inform, but never ever trying to scare them or trying to go into their minds and changing them.

 

If they get injured, they will be responsible to get themselves back up on their feet, but when it comes to something like this, where it's about building rapport with yourself as a whole, worrying about guilt trips and all that is making a person build a paranoia with themselves. It develops a trust issue with themselves, and you telling them these what ifs isn't helping. When a person doesn't have the means to find ways to trust themselves, to trust those same extensions of their unconscious mind because of people who seem to gravitate towards the negatives way too much and don't even know what maturity is, it's what prevents this forum from getting people to explore and see all the negatives, challenges, and triumphs into this is going to make them a better person.

 

When you tell people on what you feel is right or wrong and try to scare or intimidate them about it, you're trying to protect them from gaining a few scars. Any person that doesn't have some scars in their life has a shallow life. A shallow and naive life filled with fear of not understanding that everything will have some risks, which means they must take into consideration of learning how to calm themselves down should those overwhelming situations of desperation comes before them. And that can only be learned during that journey, whether they get information from others as a guideline to consider, or not.

 

This is why as much as you want to mention on the what ifs, you already agreed that the person makes their own decision. No point in mentioning those when OP clearly hasn't had a sentient and sapient tulpa as yet (unless they clarify this to be something else of course).

[Kiahdaj]

You know, I made a comment about your reading comprehension for a reason.

You keep making it more and more clear you just can't grasp things that people say.

Sands never said that tulpas would kill or maim you. Never. Not once. But of course you took it that way, because you either have no other valid argument, or you really can't comprehend text.

 

Also, of course he "gravitates" toward the "what ifs". If he didn't, then he wouldn't be warning OP. It's kind of dumb to warn someone about something that's already happening to them, no?

 

The problem is that lots of people don't even realize that there are risks. How are they supposed to consider things for themselves, if they don't think there's anything to consider?

 

This all comes back to you trying to make us treat other people in a certain way, because you think you're right, and we're wrong.

What was that about a superiority complex you mentioned?

[Sands]

Like you said, no one makes the decision but him. But he asked and we answer. Sure, some people ask and only want someone else to pat their asses saying it's a great idea. The OP hasn't stated he wants to burn his hand, so we warn him of the hot fire and how it's not the best idea to stick one's hand in it unless he does want to get burned. There's more you can do with fire than hurting yourself.

 

And no, I'm not telling him a tupper will hurt you. I am telling you that if you are willing to do anything on your path to self-discovery - even if harmful - you can only put yourself on the line. You only have your own body and life you can sacrifice, no one else's. A tupper's life is not something you can sacrifice for your own self-discovery.

 

I suggest you practice a bit more on your reading comprehension before jumping to the strangest conclusions. It almost feels like you're claiming we're doing something we're not.

[Linkzelda]

@Kiahdaj,

 

The only reason why he would need to worry about mentioning any word for getting injured, killed, or whatever is to induce some fear in the negatives. We've already established already that people need to consider their options. You keep thinking I don't comprehend what he's saying, I get what he's saying, but you feel you have a higher intelligence in your absolute guide and that anyone that gives criticism towards it is suddenly feeling superior.

 

As for people thinking they're right or wrong, why did you feel the need to tell me that in order save face with the discussion we had before, that you had to end it? Why do you keep assuming that when a person is stating an opinion, that they suddenly think they know everything? Do you know what a superiority complex is? Do you know that your same regret of making a tulpa, as if that wouldn't cause a guilt trip on that same thought-form you have, isn't an insecurity and inferiority with yourself? You keep stating that I don't know any better than anyone else, but I have yet to state anything about saying I know absolutely everything there is to this tulpa phenomenon. Keyword, absolute.

 

There's a difference between being resourceful with what you DO know, making use of it, engaging with people that have the same potential of doing the same vs. thinking everyone is wrong and thinking I know everything there is to this. I haven't stated everyone is wrong, I'm merely stating my opinion, I'm not trying to tell you this is right or wrong. That is just a perception you decided to impose onto me.

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I suggest you practice a bit more on your reading comprehension before jumping to the strangest conclusions. It almost feels like you're claiming we're doing something we're not.

 

If you get that, then why do you need to repeat about a person being responsible of their own decisions and the thought-forms they engage with? Why haven't you dropped it if we both agreed into this?

[Sands]

@Kiahdaj,

 

The only reason why he would need to worry about mentioning any word for getting injured, killed, or whatever is to induce some fear in the negatives. We've already established already that people need to consider their options. You keep thinking I don't comprehend what he's saying, I get what he's saying, but you feel you have a higher intelligence in your absolute guide and that anyone that gives criticism towards it is suddenly feeling superior.

 

And no, I'm not telling him a tupper will hurt you. I am telling you that if you are willing to do anything on your path to self-discovery - even if harmful - you can only put yourself on the line. You only have your own body and life you can sacrifice, no one else's. A tupper's life is not something you can sacrifice for your own self-discovery.

 

No, you don't get what I am saying. I'm still talking because I find your idea of not being able to tell people that fire is hot pretty stupid.

[Linkzelda]

A tupper's life is not something you can sacrifice for your own self-discovery

 

Who said anything about sacrificing a tulpa? Self-discovery involves going through that with your thought-form, not absolving them from it.

 

No' date=' you don't get what I am saying. I'm still talking because I find your idea of not being able to tell people that fire is hot pretty stupid. [/quote']

 

Oh, because I have to tell them everything right? When I've stated they can research it on their own. Okay.

[Kiahdaj]

You are REALLY not helping your case.

Of course Sands is mentioning negatives. That is the ENTIRE point.

The reason I know you don't comprehend what is being said is because your arguments aren't even in response to what we said. You're not even listening. It is clear you have no idea what we're talking about.

And I feel I have a higher intelligence, and I can't accept criticism about my guide? I didn't even know we were talking about my guide, so what the hell are you even on about?

I am more than happy to take criticism on it. Criticism is what has, and will continue to make it better.

I really really don't know why I'm still having this conversation, when you can't even understand a word I'm saying. You misinterpret everything I say, no matter how simply I put it. How do you even do that?

 

I tried ending the argument before because nothing comes from a discussion when the other side doesn't even respond to the points being made. Which is still happening.

 

Okay, so since you've missed this point at least a dozen times now, allow me to baby it down for you.

We are trying to focus on negatives. Because there are certainly negative possibilities. Lots of people don't realize there are negative possibilities, so we are trying to help them, by letting them know. If they don't know before they start, then they have no chance to avoid it anymore. Now they will learn for themselves, which is not inherently bad, except for the fact that they are now stuck with a tulpa for the rest of their lives. And the tulpa is stuck with them.

 

So you think that people shouldn't pay attention to the negative things that could happen? You think everyone should make a tulpa no matter what? Even if it's obvious they, and their tulpa will one day regret it? If you think so, then you must be some kind of sociopath.

If you don't think so, then welcome to our side of the argument.

We are trying to deter people from it, so that they and their tulpa don't have the chance to regret the decision.

A life-long commitment needs to be taken seriously. If you're not up to it, then you just don't fucking do it.

[Sands]

If a shitty host makes a tupper and forces them to be their perfect cartoon pony waifu from the show, that is sacrificing a tupper for the sake of self-discovery. Saying outright that it is not right to force a tupper to be anything they don't want to will save the host and especially the tupper a ton of problems later on. It's a conflict that doesn't have to happen. Forcing it to happen for the hell of it is unnecessary and hurting another being.

 

Right, telling someone fire is hot is telling them everything now. I guess I'll ask if I should jump off a cliff next. Better tell me to just try it, I'll find the actual dangers later, right? And no, again, I'm not implying a tupper will harm you because you might as well think I meant that and I'll say right away I didn't, because it was an exaggerated example.

[Linkzelda]

Thank you for informing me on what's already obvious. I already know you are focusing on the negatives, I'm not saying you should stop mentioning them, I'm focusing on the intensity on how people gravitate towards the exponential worrying, we know this is a big deal making a tulpa. But when gets to the point where someone states I should've mentioned this instead, when they could've stated their opinion (like they did) and added on something else to consider for OP's intentions and the thread would be done and over with.

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If a shitty host makes a tupper and forces them to be their perfect cartoon pony waifu from the show, that is sacrificing a tupper for the sake of self-discovery. Saying outright that it is not right to force a tupper to be anything they don't want to will save the host and especially the tupper a ton of problems later on. It's a conflict that doesn't have to happen. Forcing it to happen for the hell of it is unnecessary and hurting another being.

 

 

Do note that when I said they should experiment and not make the picture-perfect tulpa, I meant that. Which meant that they will come to that conclusion on their own without me having an inherent bias that they can't come to that realization.

 

Most of the forms newcomers start out with is just a basis, it's not going to be something absolute and unchanging, deviation will occur, and I mentioned that already, the guide I linked even mentioned to not have everything perfect and exactly replicating someone else.