Canon Pony Tulpa

[Sands]

This is the internet and if you're a ronery neckbeard, you will do a lot of fucked up shit to get that perfect cartoon pony waifu who will love you no matter what. Don't forget that, for the sake of the tuppers forced to live with these people. It just is plain Not Okay to do that kind of stuff and if it isn't obvious to them in the end... Well, not us who will suffer, but the tupper. I'd rather not be here knowing I helped someone else to do something awful.

[Linkzelda]

I perfectly understand that Sands, but what made this thread drag on this long is this:

 

But if you don't allow them to change, you're kind of a yogurt cannon.

 

Linkzelda, please read what they are asking next time you answer.

 

I referred them to a guide that will tell that that making some picture perfect tulpa is something they shouldn't do. I didn't need to tell them that, they would find that out when they get opinions from others here and their own personal research (i.e. checking the guide out). The only reason why it's a concern is that we're just giving them "what ifs" and OP hasn't even made a response as yet.

 

That's why I mentioned that we just have to have some faith that they'll take into consideration of our opinions without us saying to each other that we should've emphasized on something more than the other or telling some other member to read what OP has stated when that person did understand the situation. That was my only complaint with what you said, and after that, it just ended up with us stating things they should consider. So in the end, it was just a mental dance of us battling out on concepts we felt they should be concerned about, and we've made it clear should OP come in here and read what went on.

 

Which is why I was just mirroring what you guys stated all this time, the whole fact that we were debating into this is an apparent sign that making a tulpa is a serious business. I'm not saying you guys stating the negatives is a bad thing, it's just that when we've stated our points, we didn't really need to drag it out this long with our own personal feelings into this.

[waffles]

I referred them to a guide that will tell that that making some picture perfect tulpa is something they shouldn't do.

JD1215's personality guide? I couldn't see anything like it in there.

 

 

I didn't need to tell them that, they would find that out when they get opinions from others here

Right, except when you say

When you tell people on what you feel is right or wrong and try to scare or intimidate them about it, you're trying to protect them from gaining a few scars.

you do actually imply that others' opinions aren't wanted. Here's another quote:

This is why as much as you want to mention on the what ifs, you already agreed that the person makes their own decision. No point in mentioning those when OP clearly hasn't had a sentient and sapient tulpa as yet

and

you telling them these what ifs isn't helping.

It seems pretty clear from these that you don't actually want people to say the "what if"s, but aren't those the opinions from other people that you want OP to learn from?

 

 

That's why I mentioned that we just have to have some faith that they'll take into consideration of our opinions without us saying to each other that we should've emphasized on something more than the other

So why do you continually tell others here that they shouldn't have emphasised the "what if"s?

EDIT: here's a quote where you tell people what they shouldn't emphasise:

When someone tells another that they are free to make their decisions, but still emphasize more on the guilt trips, that is not helping,

 

 

Which is why I was just mirroring what you guys stated all this time

So don't argue about the same thing. What do you think you were going to achieve continuing the discussion if you were just mirroring what they said?

 

 

I'm not saying you guys stating the negatives is a bad thing,

but

And as much as the scare tactics with "what ifs" you can throw at me or anyone,

you

Stop spewing me these guilt trips

keep

This isn't about putting guilt trips on the tulpa creation process, that kind of mentality is making host create a war within themselves.

saying

When someone tells another that they are free to make their decisions, but still emphasize more on the guilt trips, that is not helping, that is adding to the problem.

"guilt trips" as if telling someone that it's potentially cruel to do something is not what you should be saying, and "'what if's" as if warning someone of the potential dangers of doing something is a bad thing. So if you want it to be that

OP is the one that makes the decision

then what's wrong with informing him? You keep saying things like "OP should decide for himself" but that implies a basic competence in sorting information, doesn't it?

 

Let's go back to this:

When you tell people on what you feel is right or wrong and try to scare or intimidate them about it, you're trying to protect them from gaining a few scars.

You really are saying that telling people that something is potentially harmful is a bad thing, aren't you? Fucking right people want to protect someone from seriously damaging himself and his tulpa/s. Because you hate the

what ifs

yes? Well, if you wait until OP does actually make a tulpa like this then it will be too late to tell him that in fact, it's risky to do so, right? You're just not making any sense here.

[Linkzelda]

It's just that when it comes to anyone stating more information on the tulpa creation process, OP obviously wouldn't have a full-fledged tulpa as yet. Even if he did somehow make one within that short period of time in his original post, he would still have to work out a lot of things, we all know a person can't make a fully sentient and sapient tulpa just like that. Which is why when he experiments and researches other guides, he'll find that conclusion on his own. But because OP hasn't answered, we were talking about the "what ifs" at the wrong time, because OP hasn't responded.

 

You're right that the guide didn't show any reinforcement of not making the picture perfect tulpa. That was my own mistake because I used to read that guide and the other comments of it and felt OP would've taken into consideration of those other comments to see people will tell about things like that, most specifically here.

 

We basically ended up in some implication that OP was responding towards all this, the what ifs are only applicable if OP made some contribution into this. It's not that the what ifs were bad, it's just that they were mentioned at the wrong time because people probably worried OP wouldn't listen in advance. Then people were mentioning how it would be too late if they weren't informed of those what ifs, but OP just made an account yesterday. There's no way he would be taking a risk as of yet, however, if he's been in this forum more than that (a few months for example), THEN it would be a risk.

[Sands]

There's no way he would be taking a risk as of yet

 

I hope you know how wrong you can be.

[Linkzelda]

I guess when it comes to time, I tend to have more worrying on those who've been in this forum for a longer period of time and may ask those questions, since those who made an account and ask questions right after they joined, they usually don't succeed in their initial stages. It's wrong for me to assume there's no risk in people trying to make a tulpa just like that from day one or a few weeks. But alright, if you want me to be serious to all newcomers that generally won't be able make a fully sentient and sapient tulpa in advance, I'll take note of that next time.

[Kiahdaj]

Jesus Christ man.

[waffles]

It's just that when it comes to anyone stating more information on the tulpa creation process, OP obviously wouldn't have a full-fledged tulpa as yet.

That's probably right. That's why it's worth telling him the risks now before he's gone and done it and it's too late.

 

 

But because OP hasn't answered, we were talking about the "what ifs" at the wrong time, because OP hasn't responded.

What does he need to respond before we can tell him. "OK, I'll try it then"? Is that when you jump in with "but the risks are..."? Why not just tell him now because it's going to be relevant at some point in the near future?

 

 

You're right that the guide didn't show any reinforcement of not making the picture perfect tulpa.

Alright, but also the quote you gave wasn't from that guide either so I don't know why you posted it.

 

 

here.

Wait, so Sands' contribution is welcome in that thread but not this, even though he said exactly the same thing?

 

 

We basically ended up in some implication that OP was responding towards all this, the what ifs are only applicable if OP made some contribution into this.

Once again, I'm not following you. Are you implying that OP might not be reading this and therefore that people shouldn't tell him about the risks until he's posted again?

 

 

It's not that the what ifs were bad

See all the quotes I put up above you.

 

 

There's no way he would be taking a risk as of yet

Well he sure will if no-one informs him about the risks.

 

 

But alright, if you want me to be serious to all newcomers that generally won't be able make a fully sentient and sapient tulpa in advance, I'll take note of that next time.

I really don't understand what you're saying here. "New people aren't going to be able to make tulpas anyway so warning them about what they're doing isn't necessary"?

[Linkzelda]

I apologize for the long time to response here waffles, I tried previewing before what I wanted to state below and it didn't show up in the thread here. So I have to make a response in the "insert formatted code" format.

 

(Had this same issue with the itbegins.png thread where my post wasn't showing up).

 

 

 

Anyway,

[quote=waffles]What does he need to respond before we can tell him. "OK, I'll try it then"? Is that when you jump in with "but the risks are..."? Why not just tell him now because it's going to be relevant at some point in the near future?[/quote]

Everyone else already stated their opinion, it's not like what I stated would've made OP see my post and forget everyone's opinions. That's why I don't need to jump in with the "but the risks are," when this thread already had people responding within an hour or so after I made the post. 

So after that, it just became a "Linkzelda, why didn't you tell him the warnings with this in advance?" So when it's clear if that's the concern, it ends up with me being the scapegoat here. I'm all for people saying I should've stated the warnings in advance, but when others can say something like this just fine,

[quote=Kiahdaj][quote name="Kiahdaj" timestamp="1377987791"]
Same way you make any other tulpa.
[/quote]

Check this image to said post: http://i.imgur.com/ynGw4mN.png

Where I just gave a longer post right after that post of how OP can go about making them the same way as any tulpa, Sands just shifts the blame on me not stating the warnings in advance instead. That's the concern, the shift in blaming solely on the other user when it wasn't needed in the first place.

Because then Sands mentions this,

[quote=Sands]If there's one guide you should link, it would be Kiahdaj's. At least I'm pretty sure his was the guide with a lot of talk about what making a tupper will mean when it comes to your life. Many people seem to miss just how big of a thing this will become and for how long. [/quote]

http://i.imgur.com/vR4pCdj.png?1

Now let's bring me back to this post:

http://i.imgur.com/ynGw4mN.png

See where this is going? He wants me to refer to his/her guide (sorry, I don't know your gender Kiahdaj), even when I have stated no obligation into doing that when the guide maker should've made it in his own response RIGHT ABOVE ME (post #2). Why didn't Sands just state that to Kiahdaj' instead of me?

Someone please tell me how this is not something ironic, this is why I started getting irritated why I have to do that, but then it's perfectly fine for the guide maker to not state that. 

[quote=waffles]Once again, I'm not following you. Are you implying that OP might not be reading this and therefore that people shouldn't tell him about the risks until he's posted again?[/quote]

Refer the first point in this post. Was not both (me and Kiahdaj) our posts basically the same thing, except I just gave a tl;dr with a guide to refer to? That's the problem I had with Sands. But I guess if I take the blame instead, and he just goes with favoritism with another member in which he suggested I linked to their guide. 

See why this makes everything else invalid from Sands? Thought someone would catch onto this pretty quick.

 

Was going to respond to your other posts waffles, but hopefully this settles the confusion that I was trying to emphasize. Basically, Linkzelda was a scapegoat, and then was suggested to make a link to someone's guide when said guide maker has more obligationin referencing that same guide they made instead.

 

Then after people weren't paying attention to that, in comes the mental dance between two people and then Sands didn't go back to READING what they stated to me already. I guess I really do have a low reading comprehension apparently.

 

Love you tulpa.info <3

 

You tried Sands, but you failed.

[Sands]

No one is blaming anyone. But .info, where suggestions and critique means hating and blaming. Oh and you can't say fire is hot.