Canon Pony Tulpa

[Linkzelda]

Yeah, we can ask or suggest them to consider their options, but they make the decision for themselves. Panicking and worrying that OP is going to go steadfast and making a copy tulpa and assuming he won't have any kind of competence that it's not reasonable is losing faith in people's abilities to use their own brain for once. I don't really have any personal attachment towards what OP wants out of this, that's his own issue, this isn't some therapeutic session remember?

 

This isn't some militant approach of trying to console OP to the right direction, this is telling them to think for themselves, make a decision, be aware of it, and be responsible for that. We all know tulpa aren't going to be static in their overall personality and being, and the only way OP can really make an identical tulpa is if he can consistently force all of those traits and qualities in every waking moment and dreams about it intensely. Now, if you think newcomers are going to have that kind of mental endurance in the initial stages without eventually thinking about other options on their own, spoon-feeding them won't really have much of a determining factor in the end, it's only an issue if we think of it that way.

[Sands]

I'd say it's more about if the OP really only wants that cartoon pony copy and then the cartoon pony copy wants to change and isn't allowed to without bitch fights from the host. That's when the problems start and when it ends up being sad. It should be made obvious that they shouldn't do that and why if they are asking about it. Asking means they're already planning on doing it, they just want us to tell them how. Telling them how won't help the actual problem in here.

 

And you also linked to a guide and even if the guide says let them grow to be what they want, you also said guides are just guidelines and you don't have to follow them exactly and well... What if they choose to not follow that important tip?

[Linkzelda]

Conflict with your tulpa is a conflict with yourself, if OP presumably gets to that conflict, in order to solve the problem, he will have to find it for himself. You're only making assertions on what OP may do and implying it's bound to happen or has been made real when the situation isn't real as yet.

 

And as much as the scare tactics with "what ifs" you can throw at me or anyone, it's typical we tend to be like parents and think the best interest in OP's case is if we spoon-feed the ideas for them; that's when we've went through our own journey in making our tulpas, there were going to be challenges either way. Part of sapience is just learning how to solve a problem and growing from that knowledge, and you already know that. The worrying is only if we think the tulpa won't have that sapience factor and that OP is going to be an inconsiderate and unthoughtful host.

 

We can try to protect them to prevent the "what ifs" that are "bad, "sad," "disheartening," etc. from happening, but that kind of approach clearly implies we don't think OP can learn to help themselves. That stifles their chance to think for themselves, and they're going to think "I'm helpless" because of what people tell them to do and not to do. It may not be obvious in this thread, but in the back of their mind, that kind of degrades them into beings that don't know how to think. That's the worst atmosphere anyone can give someone, both for tulpa and host, but that's just my opinion.

 

We can't have an inherent bias that they'll most likely gravitate towards the worst case scenario if we don't tell them in advance. Which is why when you stated,

 

What if they choose to not follow that important tip?

 

That implies that if we told them not to do it (creating a carbon-copy tulpa), that they'll suddenly comply with our suggestion. So no matter how much you try to tell me on these what ifs, they're just what ifs, if they happen, we were not the determining factor, OP is the one that came to the decision themselves. We're at a stalemate in this case, no matter how eloquently we express ourselves here in this thread.

[Sands]

The what ifs are there for him, not us. If he finds himself in those what ifs, he might realize where it is going. Anyone asking about how to make a copy of a cartoon pony on this site should ring the alarm bells in your mind just like someone asking how to make a tulpa wife, like in that other thread that ended up being pretty creepy on the OP's part. Am I glad they thought it over and decided not to make a tupper as far as we know. The more people say something is bad, the easier it will be to see the point and actually start thinking about it instead of being thrown into the situation with your own clouded visions.

 

When a tupper is something that acts like another human being, it's good to treat them as such. People can be horrible and selfish, so an innocent and seemingly sapient creature could be brought into this world and possibly forced to be something they don't want to, which is some pretty fucked up shit. It doesn't have to happen for us to realize it's a bad thing that shouldn't happen, a host should realize right off the bat that it isn't a good fate for a tupper. OP's own personal growth shouldn't happen at the cost of a tupper's happiness.

 

Conflict is only a good thing when one side is willing to see the other's point and they can get over it in the end. In an unhealthy host and tupper situation which might involve forcing one to be your perfect pony waifu so you can have your very own Rainbow Dash, the host might refuse to believe the tupper should be allowed to be something else. It's the tupper that would lose and be forced to live a pretty unhappy life, no matter if they choose to agree to the host's demands or not. I don't see how anyone could say that's the right thing to do for any reason.

 

If there's one guide you should link, it would be Kiahdaj's. At least I'm pretty sure his was the guide with a lot of talk about what making a tupper will mean when it comes to your life. Many people seem to miss just how big of a thing this will become and for how long.

[Spartanelete]

Same way you make any other tulpa.

^This

 

 

 

I have 4 of the mane 6.

 

But I also gave them premade memories.(Results may vary)

 

Eventually they slighly drifted away from the characters, but that is good.

[Linkzelda]

At Sands,

 

So you're telling me that linking to a guide where the guide maker clearly states they occasionally regret making a tulpa is a credible way of assurance for OP to consider their options and a being a model of reference:

 

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You're telling me that a person that wants someone to set aside their ego, to become dichotomous from their ego and plan things out, to tell people to think things when they themselves made it obvious they regretted making a tulpa? This is how people spew the guilt trip to try to make it look as if making a list of do's and don'ts is going to solve everything. That's not being mature or talking about maturity, that's being arrogant and trying to help others to mask the fact that they regret having to go through the journey themselves.

 

Maturity is being aware of your options, knowing what they may shift into, being aware of what you can do should that situation arrives, and making the decision to be responsible about it. Telling people what they're supposed to do, telling them they can do this and can't do that is for the sake of shifting into their model of reality. The whole idea with people saying younger people don't have the mindset to think about this rationally is because their conceptual schemes are going to be changing, and the same goes for anyone for any age. We're always learning, and the only reason why people will put on the guilt trip is because they think they can't escape the problems when they're young, or they have an inherent bias that people can't self-learn their way towards self-actualization with this.

 

I think you guys are misunderstanding JD1215's quote there.

 

 

The general idea is that younger people won't think rationally, but they can think rationally if they are given the chance to research things and think for themselves. To assume they don't have that potential TO THINK and grow, to revel in the guilt trip of bringing another life, as much as you think it's motivational or inspiration or some tough-as-nails love into realism, it's not.

 

Your tulpa is you as a whole, you make the decision to build rapport with the unconscious mind by acknowledging both the good and the bad. You take that risk to understand yourself in as many scenarios as you can. You don't stifle your opportunity for self-discovery by following a list of don't and guilt trips Sands. You're missing the whole purpose of wanting a tulpa in the first place, it's subjective. You don't contemplate on the what-ifs and try to protect people from them, the whole point is being able to to explore yourself and learn, it's on-going process, it's never-ending unless you think you want to stop learning.

 

Stop spewing me these guilt trips, don't tell me what I need to link. Guides are just guidelines, like you've stated, and telling me to link to this guide or that guide is because you feel it's something they should follow. That's why you're making yourself look silly here, because you're shifting towards what you feel is right, what you feel OP should have in their minds. You cannot force them to think, they will make the decision on their own. Stop trying Sands, remember, you tried, but you failed. You've made it so clear in your passive-aggressive griping with tulpa.info "trying" but "failed," when it's you. You are the one that failed.

 

Not me.

 

Or anyone else.

 

You.

 

 

 

Don't try to help others when you can't help yourself to letting these people make their own decisions. You're not helping, you're promoting the problem.

[Spartanelete]

The purpose of creating a tulpa is to grow as a person with help from another perspective i,e, your tulpa. Everything else is just a bonus. It would be an unbelievably risky thing to do if you're just creating a pony harem. Think about what you're doing before you commit to this.

 

Do you speak from personal experience, or just a guess.

 

Everyone can have their own reasons for having tulpas. There is no predefined reason. And if he wants to make a pony harem that's his choice. Trying to scare him out of something isn't the right way to persuade someone you're supposedly trying to help.

[Linkzelda]

I'm glad at least one member here realizes the reality of this.

[Kiahdaj]

Linkzelda, is it not a bit arrogant to believe that your philosophy on the matter is that which should also be followed by all others?

And is not what you are doing also trying to get people to behave a certain way?

 

Do not place yourself above them.

You are doing no different.

 

Moreover, it is obvious you completely misinterpreted my words, and intentions. You're not making yourself look very credible yourself, if you believe that was my goal, at all.

[Flexionsensor]

I'd like to come in and say that he should at least consider the gravity of this decision. I can't convince him to change by telling him, but he's given no real explanation of his motives aside from the assumed, 'it'd be cool' approach. I am an overall fan of Kiahdaj's guide wherein it discusses motives, so this is probably going to reference that.

 

Many mancers such as Jimmy dissolved their tulpae after being unsatisfied with them. In Jimmy's case, ten times or some bull number like that.

 

We could get into philosophy, but let's just assume that this is an immoral decision, as there is a chance (sorta 50/50,) that your tulpa is actually a sapient, separate consciousness, and that upon dissolution, you effectively kill your tulpa. Killing is bad, by the way.

 

The likelihood of your tulpa sharing every character trait with ANY character from anywhere, is extremely low, sorry. Thus your likelihood of dissolving this individual is much higher. They're inversely linked. That's my worry, good luck getting that off of your conscience.

 

My recommendation? Do an OC or something like that. It'd be simpler, and you'd end up a happier man. Woman. Individual of a gender-neutral status, whatever.