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I vote to put it into the tips section, after a short discussion with another member I thought people did this already without needing to know how. I've been doing this from the start.

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But with respect to the lost guide, is this it? I remember seeing it while reading Garland's PR. Seems to fit your recollection.


I think this might be the one I have read at least.

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Approved, Tips and Tricks (or possibly even Guides, as some of the ideas behind it are important enough that they would deserve a Guide).


The lost guide

I suspect you may be talking about this guide: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-focus-concentration-removing-doubts-and-general-meditation-technique

A few of my comments to that guide may also apply to you own (see thread).


How it works

It's essentially creating or changing an implicit belief. There is a huge lot that could be said about the sheer amount of things one can usually do with this.

Your "relocation" method here is more of a subset of how to do this.


Location of thoughts in the mind


Not everyone makes direct distinctions between Fiction and Fantasy, they could be clustered together, or someone could make even more distinctions than you mentioned: for example: "logically impossible"/inconsistent, low probability future event (ex. winning the lottery), ultra-low probability future event (anything close to 0 probability, things you would put in "Fantasy", but which would be theoretically possible, just infinitesimally unlikely, such as a white rabbit popping into existence merely by the virtue of countless particles moving and interacting in such a way as to cause said event), and so on.


Then there are other distinctions like "physically real" and "subjectively real", your body is an example of something with physical existence (or so we assume, and have a pretty clear mental category for it). A dream or a hallucination may be something with a subjectively real (to you) existence, but without an objective existence. There's probably a class here which seems to be stronger, the class of what we think is our own mental existence, or our own consciousness and self(model) and sense of continuity and unity and all that. This seems to be that way to us, simply because of its complexity and stability, but it may be that as far as the unconscious mind is concerned, it's of a similar reality as other subjectively real things (such as those dreams, those hallucinations or those behavioral patterns), except this particular pattern is self-reinforcing itself over time. A sufficiently developed tulpa may very well end up like this too, even if at the very start they may be a mere fantasy that's not even given the label of being "mentally real", thus being even less real than a dream. Having an unconscious expectation, or an implicit belief of the tulpa being "real" or "alive" could very well start to give it as much stability as your own self's. I suppose there are some that would call that a delusion (false belief), and a few which are a bit smarter and call it a pseudo-delusion (seems to act on the mind like a delusion, without necessarily being false) - my personal opinion on this is that such beliefs are self-defining - beliefs about our own selves and consciousness, and beliefs about some other mental symbols and processes, and once certain mental loops are closed, the expectations end up self-reinforcing and internally consistent, thus 'true', or at least as true as we are to ourselves.


I'm not going to comment as much on the Past, Present, Future axis, in as much as to say that the Present is usually about things in the working memory, thus is talking about immediate experiences, while things in the Past are typically memories, and those in the Future are typically predictions/fantasies, however it's not impossible for a person to mix the Past and the Future as they both have similar qualities - a person could potentially believe that something happened in the past, which didn't, in which case, they would have confabulated or fantasized about it (hence it being similar to confusing a potential event with an actual one that happened), and human memory being unreliable, this may happen more often than you'd think. The Present is far more valuable as it has that "real"-ness and quality, very similar in a way to the "subjectively real" quality on the other axis.


In a way, the truly relevant part here is that someone can make something real or true to themselves, and it's many times as easy as the metaphorical flipping of a mental switch or just as simple as saying something is so and observing it being so - not much different from a self-suggestion or affirmation, but if the skill is developed well enough, it could result in great changes. Consider for example someone that can easily change an implicit belief about their immediate perceptions, so that when they think to themselves "I'm seeing a blue elephant (physically) in front of me", they would actually be perceiving/hallucinating/imposing a blue elephant in front of them. That's usually a skill few people have, but some are better at it than others. In a simpler way, you could say a skill like that is about someone learning to make certain things real to themselves, or "subjectively real/true", or simply creating or changing implicit beliefs and expectations with ease.


As far as tulpas are concerned, the following suggestions are one of my favorites:

  • "you don't control this"
  • "this is outside your conscious awareness"
  • "this is real to you"
  • "this is unexpected/not coming out of your expectations, yet directed by a coherent will".


That is, putting things outside of one's conscious perception or outside one's will are usually good tulpa recipes as they induce the right kind of dissociation that would result in a tulpa or more (as a side-note, there is a solid argument that sensory dissociation usually implies dissociation of consciousness, and most likely separate consciousness streams or separate perception(!)).


Are implicit beliefs such as "my tulpa is alive" or "my tulpa is (subjectively) real" or "my tulpa has a will" better than simply developing them naturally the more one gets immersed into one's imagination? I would argue that sometimes they are, because immersion itself doesn't always create self-reinforcing beliefs, you could for example have a nice adventure in your imagination, but treat it like a dream of little importance, while an implicit belief about a mental entity being 'real', could end up self-reinforcing in that it itself is the cause of immersion and other mental effects on a persistent/semi-permanent basis, that is, it could end up becoming stable much quicker or more easily.


And as I've been going quite a bit off-topic about these implicit beliefs, I'd like any potential reader to contemplate about what it actually means for them to consider a mental place "real" at an unconscious level - the usual result is that one starts observing that something (be it the place or the tulpa) as outside of themselves, stopping consciously generating it, but rather observing it as something "external" (even if it's internal to one's brain, it's perceptually external/unconsciously generated/immersive, in the sense of it being new information to your conscious self, thus capable of being surprising and stable). This is usually how one gets "autonomous wonderlands" that maintain themselves when one isn't observing and which seem to act like 'real' places - always changing, like any real place would be; various dreamscapes, immersive "otherworlds" even those with unique features like time dilation and more. There is a direct qualitative difference between observing a wonderland one recalls from memory and "being" somewhere where you're just an actor and observing everything being "alive" and immersive around you, while also retaining continuity through other sessions and possibly also allowing your tulpa to interact with it themselves and show you new things!


It may also be worth noting that certain "metaphysical" belief systems do sometimes cultivate such kinds of unconscious beliefs that would more easily result in tulpas or autonomous/immersive imaginary worlds that feel completely real to the subject. It's also worth noting that other people do induce such things through hypnosis or even self-hypnosis, or even more direct methods such as what PsiQss' guide talks about.


The relocation

This section talks a lot about "feels" and how to work with them in your mind. This is usually unique to every person, but being mindful of one's own mental processes will eventually teach oneself tricks to more easily manipulate/change/create unconscious expectations/implicit beliefs.


Some of the advice is a bit reminiscent of JDBar's guide, where one consciously generates a behavioral or imaginary pattern for their tulpa, then dissociates from controlling that part of the imagination (by assuming it's out of their control, or treating it as implicitly real(!), or making it real to themselves), thus giving one a tulpa that's quickly gaining independence and having an easier time to learn from what you show them.


Some of the advice here is a bit symbolic, but in the end, to make something real to yourself in your mind, you have to... Just do it! (and I know I'll probably get some flak over this, but the process is many times as direct as moving one arm or thinking of one word, it cannot be simplified any more than that, it should already be mentally irreducible. You can sometimes observe your mind as it thinks (or just being mindful) to more easily realize how some beliefs form and how you react to certain things and that you can already do most things if you really want to do them or intend to do them).


Overall, I do think this guide can work quite well in the guide section, however while I don't have as strong qualms about this being symbolic as Sands does, some parts are overly specific to how the author conceptualizes things, rather than being generalized enough to "most minds", thus I can only approve this for "Tips and Tricks". However, I do believe having a guide for how to "make things (subjectively) real to oneself in one's mind", or how to dissociate from various mental processes, or how to manipulate or debug implicit beliefs/gut feelings/expectations/etc, would really help - things like "mental blocks" or various emotional response patterns can sometimes form negative reinforcing loops that can hinder the tulpa development process (while some other positive reinforcement loops could more easily grow a tulpa). I would even suggest that if someone is having trouble figuring out why their own mind isn't working exactly like they want it to - that they should ask a psychotherapist or a hypnotherapist for advice on it, or if not that, learn to think like one themselves and learn to debug and introspect their own mental "issues" (for example, someone having trouble visualizing due to some bad emotions associated with the process is having an 'issue', but it's certainly not the same severity as some of the disorders in the DSM).

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Yes, that's the guide, thanks guys. I probably couldn't find it because for some reason I was being sure that it was about blocking out intrusive thoughts, so I didn't check this one since it was about doubt. Silly me.


NotAnonymous: I know several things are unique from person to person and I've tried to put an emphasis on that, but I still had to keep some of the concepts, like the "reality axis". Some people might perceive 'fiction' and 'fantasy' the same way, some might be keeping the 'fiction' in the 'reality' area. I know it but I didn't know how to explain it the other way, really. I might edit that later when I suddenly have a better idea as how to make it more clear.

Your post explains this whole idea really well and I think I might link it up in the OP if you don't mind.

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Your post explains this whole idea really well and I think I might link it up in the OP if you don't mind.

I don't see why anyone would mind having their replies to a thread quoted/linked in the same thread, so feel free to use whatever you wish.

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My god... I think this is the one... Something that actually works for us really well. Thank you :)

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