Could a Tulpa block the sun?

[Kiahdaj]

 

 

Let us be thankful then that tulpas are more than mere hallucinations.

 

The imposed form of a tulpa really isn't any more than a hallucination.

So..

[Virgil]

The imposed form of a tulpa really isn't any more than a hallucination.

So..

 

I realise the discussion had been about the visual-hallucinatory part of the tulpa experience, but that's an aspect that doesn't even define a tulpa.

You said form; I said tulpas, and that's what I meant.

[Phi]

A tulpa's form is a hallucination, it's voice is a hallucination, any smell or touch you decide to impose is a hallucination, and it's personality is a construct you and your anima creates.

How is it not a hallucination? Because of that fact that it does have a personality? Schizophrenic hallucinations can have personalities, too. Because it says it isn't a hallucination? So can schizophrenic hallucinations. Because they aren't malevolent? Ok, normally schizophrenic hallucinations are, especially of the paranoid sub-type, but some other hallucinations aren't. Because they can (arguably) help you remember things you've forgotten? If a hallucination of a person was with you one day, and you forgot something, that could also remind you.

So tell me, I pray, why tulpa are not hallucinations. I understand not wanting to call them that, I dislike calling them hallucinations too. But they are.

Thinking you can look directly into the sun because the tulpa has magical powers that will somehow make your eyes not be damaged is just idiotic. The fact is that the sunlight won't care if there's a hallucination in the way. It will hit your eyes, and you will lose your eyesight. Hallucinations can't stop physics.

[Pleeb]

I agree that you are hallucinating the tulpa's body after imposition, if that's where you guys are getting at, but I would still consider the mind of a tulpa separate from the creator's mind (that is, the tulpa's personality is more than just an emulated construct from your own mind), just because of things like switching (you become a 'tulpa' and the tulpa is in every aspect, the 'host'), memories (that is, a tulpa can have its own set of memories and know things that the host is unaware of), dreams, etc.

 

As for the actual 'blocking of the sun,' I'm pretty sure even if your eyes aren't registering that you're seeing the sunlight, those UV rays are still going to be hitting them, kinda like if a blind person were to stare at the sun.

[Virgil]

How is it not a hallucination?

Ah, we've run into the most common kind of misunderstanding. You see, your meaning of the word hallucination differs from mine. That's all. Let's not argue over whose is the best (you may consult dictionaries or Wikipedia if you wish). To me, a hallucination is something perceived as though through the senses yet nonexistent in reality. The meaning can be stretched a bit, but that's pretty much it. I don't consider a tulpa's mind to be a hallucination. And since it's the aspect that matters the most (to me), I generally dislike calling tulpas hallucinations.

 

Thinking you can look directly into the sun because the tulpa has magical powers that will somehow make your eyes not be damaged is just idiotic.

First, the tendency of being idiotic is one of my better traits and one I value highly. Second, I wasn't being serious, which spawned another misunderstanding. There is the (now challenged) fact that looking at the sun is fairly harmless, but even the spoiler didn't help. :(

And third, what do you mean it's not magic?

 

you will lose your eyesight

Now I'm seriously starting to doubt that it is just a myth that looking into the sun might be really bad for your eyes. But are you sure it isn't lasers? I think it's just lasers.

[Phi]

Ah, we've run into the most common kind of misunderstanding. You see, your meaning of the word hallucination differs from mine. That's all. Let's not argue over whose is the best (you may consult dictionaries or Wikipedia if you wish). To me, a hallucination is something perceived as though through the senses yet nonexistent in reality. The meaning can be stretched a bit, but that's pretty much it. I don't consider a tulpa's mind to be a hallucination. And since it's the aspect that matters the most (to me), I generally dislike calling tulpas hallucinations.

 

First, the tendency of being idiotic is one of my better traits and one I value highly. Second, I wasn't being serious, which spawned another misunderstanding. There is the (now challenged) fact that looking at the sun is fairly harmless, but even the spoiler didn't help. :(

And third, what do you mean it's not magic?

 

Now I'm seriously starting to doubt that it is just a myth that looking into the sun might be really bad for your eyes. But are you sure it isn't lasers? I think it's just lasers.

 

The only difference between a tulpa's mind and any other hallucination's mind is that you have a hand in creating the tulpa's personality. We both have basically the same definition, though mine is a bit more technical, so there's no arguing to be had. A hallucination is something that is perceived without any stimulus from the environment. Exactly what a tulpa is.

Now, before I move on to the next part, there is something I would like to state. It's philosophical rather than psychological, so it's not my forte. However, I don't believe that it really matters if a tulpa is a hallucination, because I see hallucinations with personalities (those without personalities could be a hand coming out of a wall) as something like a 'ghost'. Not in the supernatural sense, but in the sense that they are just people that only you can observe. They exist on a different plane, per se. It sounds a little paranormal, but I assure you it makes sense in my mind.

As for the so called "second misunderstanding". I personally think it was foolish to say something like that, kidding or not, because somebody is now bound to try it. You overestimate people's intelligence.