Is deimposition helpful for imposition?

[HumbleGlow]

Philomena and I have taken up regular training towards visual imposition. This evening, we discovered that we are able to make physical objects vanish from my sight (not just at the blind spot, at the focus point). Later, with some additional input from the IRC, I found that I can do this by myself. Since this appears to be the opposite of imposition, I'm calling this activity deimposition.

 

So why would this seemingly opposite activity be helpful for imposition? On one hand, it definitely helps you adjust yourself to the feeling of voluntarily altering your visual perception.

 

On the other hand, I'm feeling like deimposition works by imposing a "negative" image upon the image of the existing object. So it's just like imposition, but without the visualization part: You don't need to visualize the imposed image since the negative of it is already there in your sight.

 

Here's how you can try it yourself: Take a small object with not too much contrast (e.g. a piece of paper) and place it against a plain like-colored background. Focus on this object, then defocus your eyes as if you were looking behind it. If you're doing it right, you should see the object assume the color and texture of the background, until its borders vanish and it merges into the background completely. If you're struggling, try it in a dark room, and increase the ambient light as you get more comfortable with that.

 

At first, it will be very hard to keep the object deimposed even for a few seconds, because your eyes refocus frequently. After some time, you'll see that deimposing requires less and less defocusing.

 

Once you can deimpose the simple object in full light, there are plenty of ways to make it more challenging.

• Larger objects with more structure. I'm currently working with a regular-sized letter. I can already deimpose the paper, so now the ink appears to be on the desk.
  
• Tilt your head or move your focus, and try to sustain the deimposition while doing so. This is where I can most clearly see that deimposition imposes a negative image upon the original object: As I tilt my head, the negative moves with it.
  
• Use a background with strong contrast, or multiple backgrounds (like black on the left and white on the right).
  
• Put two objects behind each other, and deimpose only one of them. (I'm nowhere near that point.)
  

[Lacquer]

Are you sure this is related to imposition and the mechanisms behind it? Or is it like how you can stare at something red then loop away and it's green?

 

If it is related to imposition, I guess it could be a good exercise, but not as effective as actual putting-things-in-your-vision-that-aren't-really-there imposition.

[HumbleGlow]

Or is it like how you can stare at something red then loop away and it's green?

 

It seems to be related to that, but I seem to be able to control the negative image that's being created. At least semi-consciously: As I'm deimposing, I can see the negative image appearing, morphing into the right shape, and moving into place.

[Linkzelda]

The type of deimposition I feel he's trying to get at is merely simulating "behind the eyes" visualization that occurs similar to when we're dreaming. Basically, learning how to adapt to this type of "negative" energy or visualization means imagining without light energy. Except that OP seems to be trying to simulate a negative in a positive environment.

 

Behind the eyes visualization (negative)

 

Light in the room (positive).

 

A member from a different forum that gave us simple lessons on Dream Yoga and Tibetan Yoga related concepts (except he removed the spiritual aspects and applied them to dream-related endeavors). You can find the link to the visualization example below:

 

http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-yoga/133302-dream-yoga-intermediate-skill-1-visualization-training.html#post1902636

 

(Sorry if this isn't allowed to link to other forums, I just felt how he explained it would be better than me trying to)

 

 

Basically, it's like what's OP trying to master, except he's doing it opened-eye. For me personally, I could see this as potential use for imposition, since prior to the imposition process, we do tend to have a daydream like quality in the manifestation of our tulpa in our mind. So theoretically, if you could tap into knowing how to manipulate the type of visualization you get from "Behind your eyes," you get adjusted to the similar experience in how your dreams can initiate, and thus have an easier time imposing your tulpa into your reality.

 

But I feel that if you want to get the real experience, it's best to start doing it with the closed-eye method, and then try it open-eyed. And like the link I provided above, the user mentioned about becoming aware of those tiny specks of colors we all ignore when doing closed eye, and being able to see more than one color, manipulating and molding to where we can see them shift with ease with our intention to do so. And here's a gif of "noise" as well that I'm sure another user on this forum mentioned:

 

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp91z4GeCL1qd7ovlo1_500.gif

 

So it's not a "putting-things-in-your-vision-that-aren't-really-there," it's more of "putting-things-in-your-vision-that-we-didn't-know-could-be-shifted-there-in-the-first-place.

 

It's not just black we're seeing when we "look behind our eyes," and I feel that from that same principle, you just shift that to open-eyed.

[Couguhl]

To me, this sounds more along the lines of afterimages and related phenomena (that is, more reliant on how the eyes work rather than how the brain interprets data).

 

It's a lot easier for the brain to block out or assume visual data (it does it all the time) than it is to /create/ data that is specifically detailed and non-changing, like imposition. This is especially apparent if the eyes dont move because there isn't any new data being acquired. If you were able to deimpose the paper while moving the eyes around (and perhaps you are) then maybe you are on to something.

 

But if you are trying to deimpose an object in an environment in which there was more color and stimuli, like a bedroom instead of a white wall, you would technically still have to use imposition because your brain would have to see the background behind the object.

 

Perhaps this method may be helpful in terms of focus, but I'm not sure if it will aid in the process of imposition or not. But who am I kidding. I haven't tried it.

 

A link on afterimages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterimage

 

I'm not posting this link to demonstrate the blind spot, but rather, to illustrate how the brain fills in visual data:

http://www.colorcube.com/illusions/blndspot.htm

 

EDIT: Forgot link. Thank you, sleep deprivation.