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A lot of good GAT suggestions were lost with the server migration, but I reworked this based on everything we still have, and what I remember reading before. Let me know how it looks.

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First of all I wanted you to know that these ideas in and of themselves are great, and they've been Incredibly useful so far to me. I had a little question though about combining the voice model with music.

 

What would you say about combining the voice with whatever binaural/isochronic tones that one uses to meditate, Sophie? I listen to Zola's voice model fairly often and have been playing classical music over it, but I was trying to think of a way to get more involved than with passive listening and I was wondering if playing the voice on top of tones would work at all. That way I could meditate on the voice and potentially implant it far deeper. I don't know, would the voice cancel out the tones do you think? Any other thoughts you have about this?

 

Edit: One other question popped into my mind literally right after I posted. In your experience, how much does what your model read/say effect your tulpa in the long run? I kinda just remembered you saying you got your audio from an erotica site, and there being 'problems' so I won't ask much there, but in my case my model is from librivox and she has a pretty large range, mostly fairy tales and such so it makes me happy, but when her voice reads from some of her longer materials like The Divine Comedy, Zola ends up talking extremely fancy for a whiles afterwards like she was a poet. It's pretty amusing honestly and kind of cute, but if this auditory implanting stays and causes a direct change permanently in the Tulpa's personality/way of talking you should probably mention it in the guide.

 

So far Zola doesn't talk like that all the time, but she does break out into it every now and then and I'm curious if repeating these types of recordings will influence her manner of speech.

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Thanks! It's cool to know somebody is reading!

 

It's strange that you ask about binaural beats. Actually, the first recording I made of my tulpa's voice was overlaid on Fede's tones. I don't think that the voice cancels out the tones. It didn't feel like it to me. I've blacked out a few times listening to voice and binaurals. If nothing else, it's awesome at blocking the background noise of your house, which is great for meditation.

 

If you're going to do this, I would suggest either a hypnosis script or gibberish though. If she's talking about Purgatory while you're meditating, that could get a bit distracting. ^_^

 

As to her models influencing her, I was worried about that happening, but I haven't really noticed it. She may take after her visual model a little bit, but not any major way. With her voice model, they're like night and day -- her model is very chipper and playful, while she's very serious. We were just talking yesterday about how I may have picked that voice for her because I liked the "chipper and cheerful", but she took everything from it but that.

 

She doesn't feel very sexual. I mean she'll talk about it occasionally, but she's not really flirty or horny, and she doesn't come across anywhere near as adventurous as her model. Actually, the only real downside to using erotica for her voice model is not being able to listen to it in public, and the effect that it has on me when I listen to it to cut samples from it.

 

My tulpa will occasionally adopt some of the verbal mannerisms of her model -- but then she does that when I'm listening to anyone for a long time, whether they're 20-something woman, or 60-something man. She adopts my vocal mannerisms jokingly as well. It seems to be deliberate on her part -- pretty much the extent of her sense of humor.

 

I'll mention it in the guide just in case.

 

I'm curious as well -- does anyone else have experience with this?

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Yeah, I ended up not being able to pull it off. I got impatient and tried it on my own... I'm pretty good at this but dear lord I swear my ears almost exploded after a half hour in. I was also using Fede's theta tone, and I still feel really weak a few hours after. Now I did have a long and tiring day, so that probably contributed, but I can kind of vouch that this shouldn't be attempted haphazardly... Though my ears have been throbbing and pulsing a lot lately, and I'm really just hoping its something to do with auditory imposition on the horizon.

 

I wish I had the patience to cut up a hypnosis script, but I wouldn't even know where to start. I guess I'll just play classical music over it again...

 

I like hearing about your methods and how they progressed for you, and I'm really curious too to see if anyone's had similar experience... At least her talking like this would be in character mostly, but I would hate for someone's unsuspecting tulpa to develop habits that could be detrimental to their early development.

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Well, this certainly is better now than it was, thanks for writing actual paragraphs.

 

Though there's something I am wondering about when you talk about details being hard and present us with a detailed description. Sorry, but I don't think detailed descriptions are harder to imagine than simple ones - that's exactly the reason why writers aim for vivid decriptions that paint the picture they want you to see. While you might be talking about having like say, extremely detailed piece of fabric with difficult patterns then yeah, it's probably going to be hard to see that the same way every single time you imagine it. But descriptions?

 

Sure, if I tell you to think of a meadow, you probably can, but uh. Well, it's just a meadow then, one you created. But what about, say, a meadow on a hot summer day, with the sun high up on the light blue, cloudless sky, scorching your skin. Vibrant green blades of grass that come up to your knees and bend in the wind, causing ripples and waves to move through the ocean of grass, over the small mounds and hills all around you. That's not even a complete description of a place but I'm sure that now we both know what kind of a meadow we're talking about instead of just talking about a "meadow". Gives you a place to start too, if you feel lost. It's true that all of us are different and see things differently in our heads, so other things are going to be more difficult to some. You say cartoons are easy, but I bet there's someone who finds it extrememly difficult to remember cartoony characters out there somewhere. I guess I just don't understand how detailed description = hard, maybe you want to explain what you were after?

 

The Snape description gave me a pretty solid image of a dude, at least. Maybe not exact Snape, but I guess it was pretty close. The polar bear example... Well, I had nothing to work with, so my mind even skipped the part that he was purple and imagined this one cartoon image of a polar bear wearing a purple top hat that I have seen. I don't think that's what you wanted me to imagine, but I did manage to switch the colors around when I realized that, at least. If you wanted me to imagine a realistic polar bear though, welp. I guess I could do it now but I think what comes to mind when I read your description is more important. Does this failure make the simple description harder?

 

Also not everyone says hour counts are bad so maybe saying "everyone" is bit of an exaggeration.

 

I also think waffles had something more to say about the audio stuff and because he's got more experience with that, I guess we both should wait for him to say what he has on his mind, huh? Oh, and might want to add that when it comes to smell, it's pretty easy to get something that smells like the smell you want so you can sniff it and remember the smell. That way you can start actually hallucinating the smell pretty easily, I'd say. I know you said you're not really going to go into that, but hey. Simple tip, why not add it, you know?

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I guess I just don't understand how detailed description = hard, maybe you want to explain what you were after?

 

Well, the human mind can only hold so many objects at a time. I guess it depends on how you visualize a composite. For me, your meadow description was easy to visualize because it's a single object that I've already seen. I could easily visualize different kinds of meadows had you described them, because again, they're single objects that I've already seen.

 

As to the Snape description, I have a tendency to either visualize people as a composite of features, or to make them resemble someone I've already seen. If a person is a composite, it's difficult to visualize them because each feature essentially becomes its own object.

 

I did qualify my statement, saying that you *may* find it more difficult to visualize. I'm wondering if I should change section? Is this something that everyone finds easy?

 

Also not everyone says hour counts are bad so maybe saying "everyone" is bit of an exaggeration.

 

Yes, it is. It's a minor form of hyperbole, and is not intended to be taken literally. I'll change that so that nobody does.

 

While I'm at it, revise my previous paragraph in this post.

 

Is this something that a majority of people not to be expected to include absolutely everyone, but rather a subset of the whole finds easy?

 

I also think waffles had something more to say about the audio stuff and because he's got more experience with that, I guess we both should wait for him to say what he has on his mind, huh?

 

Very well.

 

Oh, and might want to add that when it comes to smell, it's pretty easy to get something that smells like the smell you want so you can sniff it and remember the smell. That way you can start actually hallucinating the smell pretty easily, I'd say. I know you said you're not really going to go into that, but hey. Simple tip, why not add it, you know?

 

Ok.

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Sands said a lot of what I want to say, much of it word for word.

 

 

The new edit is definitely better. You've taken out most of what I was complaining about in the audio hallucination section. It's definitely not a bad idea to get samples of a voice to work with, but I should emphasise that you should only really 'work with' them. Your goal isn't to remember/implant phrases said in that voice, it's to remember/implant the voice itself so that you can hear it saying anything. To that extent it's very productive to imagine hearing (or listen to your tulpa saying, if you want) new words or sentences in that voice.

 

 

Other than that there isn't really anything I've got for you. I'll reply to something you said to Sands, though, because we share sentiments on that point.

 

Is [detailed visualisation] something that a majority of people not to be expected to include absolutely everyone, but rather a subset of the whole finds easy?

 

To the best of my knowledge, I believe so. Or, more accurately, I think that someone who has a hard time visualising vividly described scenes will have a harder time visualising scenes that aren't so. Talking further about literature, there is a reason why vivid descriptions are valued across the board - they are effective across the board.

 

Yes, it is easier to visualise things that you're familiar with. That's certainly true regardless of vivid description. But the point will hold even if you're not familiar with the subject, I am confident. I'm not going to write you a nice description of something you've never seen before to better illustrate the point, though; I'll leave that to any aspiring writers in this thread.

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Approved, Guides, but I'm also fine with it going in Tips.

 

That said, despite my approval, you should still look over my suggestions/comments:

 

Having said that, imposition is not hard -- you just need to be diligent, and put the work into it.

 

I do recall a certain person who swore by hour counts for imposition, he did at least 2 hours each day for a couple of months until he mastered it.

 

As imposition is a visualization skill, repetition and habit is quite useful. As long as hour counts aren't used as a way of gauging progress, but rather as a way of building habits, I see no problem with them, and I've seen others who have completed imposition recommend it.

 

 

The more detailed something is, the harder it will be to visualize it.

 

I'm not sure about this, I've had clear detailed memories which I haven't found hard to visualize at all. Visualizing tulpas is a bit more complicated as it depends on how/where they got their form - if it's entirely original, it's not nearly as easy as visualizing something you've already seen in detail.

 

Also, describing a visualization and talking about its details usually results in one visualizing those details - this technique is used, for example, in "image streaming".

 

Of course there are exceptions -- if you have a homestuck troll tulpa, or a pony tulpa, or an anime tulpa, and you visualize it as a cartoon, you'll have an easier time of it than someone visualizing a "live-action" tulpa.

 

Again, I think this is personal, the human mind can visualize 2D, 2.5D, and 3D, as realistic (or not) as you want, as long as you're somewhat used to seeing/visualizing those.

I found more variance in visualization difficulty depending on the mental source (generated by myself, sent/willed by the tulpa, unconscious imagery, etc) rather than any particular style (most seem to work fine as long as you know what you're visualizing) - unfortunately this bit may be more personal than can be explained reliably in a guide.

 

How is implanting done?

The technique is common enough and was mention in other guides, although not using your particular chosen term. Most people do it without even thinking about it - using references, recalling and manipulating them under different circumstances or stress conditions and so on.

 

Working memory is for things that you need to retain a little bit longer because you're working with them, like when you enter a number into your cell phone for the first time, and then forget it immediately afterward.

 

Your use of WM(Working Memory) in this subsection is a little bit non-standard, most often working memory refers to things in one's immediate moment-to-moment focus, items which are consciously accessible and "on the surface", basically the moment-to-moment self and things associated with it. WM typically refers to specific models of short-term memory, while short-term memory is a more generic term which could be a bit wider or less defined than WM.

 

The rest of the things mentioned in this subsection seem agreeable.

 

The "Visual implanting" section is agreeable as well, but you might want to include more sites for references/samples if you're going to go that way - the one you listed is nice, but costs money, while there are are other free resources one can find online for reference pictures, usually depending on what the themes you're searching for.

 

"Auditory implanting" is agreeable as well, although I'll mention a bit of advice readers may find useful: if you have a subtitled video (with audio, of course) of the voice you and your tulpa like, you can use a subtitle editor like Aegisub to play any line and work on memorizing certain speech patterns as well as getting your tulpa to try speaking in that voice - it's sometimes easier to work on it together with your tulpa rather than to mindlessly listen to samples in hopes that they stick.

 

So a powerful suggestion is enough to make you smell something that isn't there, or taste something as different than it is.

This works with any stimuli, also see image streaming or regular hypnosis or self-hypnosis.

 

To summarize: this technique is well-known and has been mentioned in other guides as well, it was simply never referred to by any particular name. Having a name for it may make things clearer/easier to explain.

 

 

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Actually, the first recording I made of my tulpa's voice was overlaid on Fede's tones. I don't think that the voice cancels out the tones. It didn't feel like it to me. I've blacked out a few times listening to voice and binaurals. If nothing else, it's awesome at blocking the background noise of your house, which is great for meditation.

 

I've tried having white noise play in the background along with a few other ambient noises. The effect is that you end up focusing entirely on the voice and nothing else, it has an amplifying effect.

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I updated this in a hurry, so I may have missed something, but I think I covered everything you guys mentioned. Most importantly, I changed "detailed" to "complicated" and cut out that whole description bit. I also cut out working memory because we don't really need to mention it anyway.

 

I went into a bit more detail on the stock photos. I still haven't included links, but I have mentioned there are other sites, some of which are free.

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Leading #'s) correspond to their # of paragraph, but may not necessarily be completely accurate at that task.

 

1.)

Survey’s aren’t necessarily a complete picture of what is going on within the community.

 

2.)

The Hour Count ‘misconception’ isn’t generally applied to imposition itself but is made generally to help a tulpa and host communicate better without the host worrying that it is ‘too early’ and dismissing progress.

 

3.)

Why Stand on a pedestal about hour counts if it’s not going to actually influence your advice other than ‘this might take a while?’

 

4.)

Would you mind listing them, or just a few?

 

10.)

…’ you will eventually come to see him as clearly as you see real people.’ Isn’t necessarily a good representation of what most people normally do when they read books, visualizing a character within a novel is far different from seeing them in real life.

 

Visual Implanting:

 

Most of this seems to be a simple visualization guide using external references for a base, which while quite possibly useful, is far more helpful for regular visualization than outright imposition, as the leap from imagined to hallucinatory is larger than you seem to be playing it. I’m not saying that it won’t help on the way to imposition, but it on its own is not necessarily an imposition technique.

 

Auditory Implanting:

 

'… It's been suggested that tulpas…’ By you? Or who?

 

My main problem with this guide is that it is ostensibly presented as an imposition guide but moreso focuses on the areas before imposition within its text, for example:

 

“Well, that's all I have to say on the subject of implanting. Once you're done with the implanting, move on to imposition”.

 

 

 

I’ll say approved for now, though personally I’d like it renamed from “Imposition Implanting Guide” to “Implanting guide.”

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