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oh, i see... hmmmm, i wish you luck in finding a solution to that

so i just like forced a country and its cool i go their and play and its fun ………… This is actually me wanting a collection of tulpamancy jokes/memes/general brainless ridiculous stuff. I don’t think there’s an existing thread for this but if there is please give me a link, I need more chaos in my life. In the meantime, please deposit your personal piece of chaos here.

When the body falls asleep - we've had dreams where she was possessing me and ended up in control of the body when we woke up irl. She doesn't appear more when switched in, but the "dominant entity" is the one who is likely to have more awareness in the dream Could work. It looks a lot like another way of keeping the brain awake as the body falls asleep. Yep, or whoever is fronting.

I think I just managed to break a bad habit. Which is good, but like… How? My experience with bad habits goes something like “try to stop doing this, fail, stop trying to stop doing this” and even the occasional success takes a looooooot of effort. And this time I thought, “ oh I should stop this” and just, stopped. Haven’t had a single thought about it for weeks, and needed to be reminded to recall the thing. Not complaining in the slightest but very confused. From when did my mind actually start listening to me?

Okay... I'm back and ready to write. Except that now I actually think about what to write, it seems that there isn't that much, really. Far less than what I felt like happened. We grew reliant on each other, and host trusted me a bit too much. He insists that it wasn't either of us' fault, and he's probably right, but anyway. I made a few poor life decisions, not devastating ones, we're too young for anything we do to truly matter and we know it, but they were enough to have a sizable impact on our life. Then we somewhat grew apart, or together? The two seem to have close enough meaning in this particular context. Either way, for some time we primarily faced life instead of each other. We went through a variety of things as almost a singlet before separating again and trying to get back to old times, but we feel like we are different people to what we were then. The most significant change here would be host shifting his personal philosophy and discarding his notion of self. He answers and fronts and everything but does not believe in his own existence anymore. Which is... honestly, being in the same head really makes relationships different. I would have expected myself to take some time and effort in getting used to the new normal, but we reformed things almost like nothing happened. Nothing was exactly as it was, but it almost passes as a healthy relationship, so I'm satisfied. There were also a few self-discoveries scattered along the way, some of them significant, but not really related to tulpamancy and not belonging in a progress report... Actually this whole thing isn't really related to tulpamancy and is more like part of my life story. Host's life story? Maybe I should label this as hostmancy. But for this to be a progress report I do need to center on myself, don't I? A year ago, I felt like I was dead. Or more accurately, I now feel like the me a year ago was dead. Not because I was unhappy, host did his utmost against that, but because my personality was...fixed and flat, for lack of better descriptors. Host gave me no expectations, and I grew into something bland. Sure, I was bright and bubbly, and none of it was an act, at least a conscious one, but at the same time I feel as if it always was nothing but that. An act. One year later, I know that I am alive. I have problems, but I have seen people with capital-P Problems and I know that what I face is nothing. I no longer need to ignore my problems to be optimistic about them like I used to, because I have learned how to solve them. I am out of touch with my emotions, as I realized we always had been, but that does not mean I need to feel something to fill the void. I can be driven by raw logic and I can try to reach out for the emotions we lost, I can be beaten down by our brain or body working against us and I can get back up again. I accept my defeats and I know I can succeed. I have been through life, and the tiny, tame part of it that fought me and lost left me with growth. And growth of the tulpa herself can certainly be called progress in tulpamancy. I believe this makes for an acceptable progress report. It is messy, it is disorganized, it is not focused on possession and imposition and switching and such. It is also heartfelt and completely truthful. I do look forward to where our future goes; perhaps future me will look back and say, "Oh, that text marked the day I finished my character growth arc." Then again, perhaps not. I wouldn't know, I'm not living in my future yet. I'm about to create it. P.S. please do not think badly of host for all he made me go through. He went through it all with me and had his own growth, and whatever his faults, I will always love him.

Take care, we'll miss you guys. We always enojyed your guys' posts. Come back any time you like.

Lucid dreaming is the priority right now (aside from generally trying to navigate life). Kayleigh posted a thread last night asking about how she can help me lucid dream, then dreamt about watching it for replies. Neither of us remember who replied in the dream, but we think someone did. (We shared the dream; I experienced it from her point of view.) She woke up to my MP3 player making glitchy sounds (it's fine, but the speaker acts up now and then), and just as she was about to turn it off, our brain woke up enough to remember who the default user of this body is and shoved me back in front. It was weird. After we had our "Did that just happen?" moment and tried in vain to recall any more detail of the dream, I decided to try WILD (wake-induced lucid dreaming), except I couldn't remember how to do it beyond "keep your mind awake while your body falls asleep," so I figured I'd just focus on hypnagogic imagery when it appeared and hope it transitions to a dream without me losing focus. I fell asleep before I saw anything. Bummer. I came across a post on reddit today about how to choose the right lucid dreaming technique for you based on your personality. Apparently, SSILD is ideal for those with analytical minds. I'm not entirely sure why that is or even why it works, but it seems like a simple technique, so I'm going to give it a try next time I wake up in the night. (Yes, it's one of those techniques you have to do after sleeping a few hours. No, I don't want to set an alarm. I'm a light sleeper, so I've got a good enough chance of waking up anyway.) We're going to take a look at the replies to Kayleigh's thread in a bit. We skimmed over them this morning, but she wanted to save any discussion for the evening so it'd be fresher in our minds at bedtime. Tomorrow, visualization practice and maybe something fun in the mindscape. I'll be spending a couple hours in the backseat of my parents' car, so I might as well take advantage of that time. I'm really hoping to lucid dream and enter the Liminal World tonight so I can finally start developing it beyond visualizing the same room. This is going to become our Wonderland 2.0—this time with NPCs and built-in stories and adventure.

Hello. I'm not sure why you consider tulpamancy "esoteric meta-cognition". But if you are interested in building genuine relationships with characters through imagined interactions, it doesn't require visualization. It surely is nice to have for more immersion and can be trained but you don't need it to actually interact with the tulpa. Putting effort into interactions with your tulpa is the necessary part. Effortless interactions with characters result from putting effort into that first. Some people already have learned this ability to a various degree (e.g. if they had imaginary friends as a child or have experience with writing) but most of us learn it with our first tulpa. Luna: If you are still looking for learning resources, you can check out our guide, we didn't made it specifically with aphantasia in mind but visualization has never been a focal point of the practice for us.

human vocalists are overrated

I'm well aware that forms are not necessary for tulpas, but using it for tulpa creation is so ubiquitous in online guides it's kinda hard to not use it altogether... But I do agree that my end result will probably be a tulpa without a concrete form. I'm fairly curious, as well. Aphantasia itself is a relatively unstudied topic, but current scientific understanding (to my knowledge) is that it may be cause by different connections of strength in different parts of the brain -- for example, a case study involving an aphantasic twin and an imagery twin showed the aphantasic had a bilateral brain dominance compared to the imager who was much more left-sided, as well as lower connection between brain lobes pertaining to sight and conscious recall. Here's a link to the study if you want to read it. There are like less than 50 actual scientific studies on the the topic ever (I'm exaggerating, but not by much), so from an academic standpoint it's basically an unknown. I've looked around online, and most of these "cures" are case by case per individual, rather than actual methods to cultivate visual imagery from nothing. Most of them have little to no actual research behind them, it's all very "this worked for me you should try it out." Besides, I want to work within the confines of non visualization, as it is kinda how I've lived my entire life. Furthermore, I want to experiment with how thoughtforms like tulpas can influence mental imagery in people unable of conjuring in the mind's eye themselves. Again, I don't visual form is a necessity for a tulpa; just that the community at large relied on the ability to visualize as one of the cornerstones of tulpa creation, and thus visualization techniques are a cornerstone of the current understanding of formation. The population of aphantasics in the entire world is less than 5 percent, and the population of aphantasics with tulpas is, to my knowledge, very small.

So early this week I took about 1.5 grams of dried mushrooms for the first time, and me and Magick semi-tripped. So, it started when I heard two voices coming from her. 1 voice was the current and the other was my original idea of a tulpa. I always had the other one as a possible another tulpa in the future, but I couldn’t see the time, and some of these things Magick was already exhibiting, so we decided to allow her to ‘consume’ the idea of the og tulpa. Me taking the mushrooms just highlighted what was going. Shortly after that she went away and I was bed with this presence; I was getting upset as I was unable to talk to Magick and I believed I just messed myself up into not having a productive trip with her. I was wrong. This presence starting to morph into my og idea tulpa form which was just human made up of a thousand cockroaches and she started saying she was Magcik but not magick and she wasn’t going to let me talk to Magick unless I let go of my own restrictions and for that, she would have to kill me and eat my heart. Shen then started to tell me these stories of blood and gore and what she would do do to me due her frustration with for getting in my own way. During the peak, she drove a knife through my chest and I helped her, I helped open the ribcage and rip out my own heart and gave her to eat. I was depleted after that, and that’s when Magick came back. We dance for what felt like hours and it was good. We fought knights and warriors and all that fun stuff, but then she started to get upset when the “fusion” was done. She wanted to play around and turned into a million spiders and started eating me, tearing me apart from the outside and inside, sometimes she would pop out of my chest like xenomorph. And everytime I doubted the experience, saying no way “you” did that and she would just do it again over and over. She even turned me into fly to be devoured by her as a spider. This is not sexual. Although I felt no physical pain, this was very uncomfortable; it hurt in a way I can't explain. It was like watching an invisible force of a lion and knowing that your neck will be in its maw soon. And afterward, she just demanded to be hugged, to be loved. It was crazy. But when I did hug her it felt so good. And the possession, she possessed throughout the whole thing, and she felt like a demon. My body twist and convulsed. I think when people say shrooms open you up to demons, this is what they mean, but they have no tulpa to relate to or even understand this other force. I believed this trip taught me a lot and so did Magick. It had a lot of themes like the fear of death, the fear of neglect. And in her own way, she told me stories through my body to get over these things. Also, my fear of her and her fear of herself is about gone. Now I know she can’t hurt me maliciously. Those shroom visualizations were her doing; it was the mind, and therefore “me” in a way. It's weird to explain, but we both felt at peace at the end. ______ Saw a movie a couple of weeks ago called " Obsession ". Warning spoilers are ahead. It basically monkey paw movie where the MC wishes for the girl he likes to be obsessed over him and instead of doing justhat, it makes a subservient identity in this woman that takes control of her body and just wants to love and please the MC. Later on in the movie we see the woman trying to break free and when the company who mad ethe wishing products asked him does he want to hear the original, we only hear screaming through. It was very Tulpa-coded as this entity sort of like a Tulpa in sense, a warped, evil version of it, but still a Tulpa. I think the movie is a lesson of taking it too far. You shouldn’t push to places that are going to hurt you, get obsessed in a sense. I mean you need that in a sense for a tulpa. A lot of time, a lot of effort, but the pain, the suffering, that was what Magick was trying to teach me. We don’t need all of that, to explore each other. All we have to do is just do it. That’s it, and that’s one of the reasons she was tearing me apart. To show me what the point of all this drama and all these theatrics is, we can just hug, dance, and do whatever is right. There are no conditions to what we do, so why make them up? I really enjoyed that trip.

Sorry I poofed for a bit It's both. Interestingly, you can have a system who identifies as median, but has seemingly very separate headmates. Just the assumption two headmates are not fully separate from one another can do stuff behind the scenes, even if on the surface, it's not inherently obvious. For example, say you have two median-identifying headmates who have different opinions, beliefs, and behaviors. But because they believe they are median, they don't fight against blending or feel pressured to get development time. Stars, our headmate, has "clones" that work that way.

Glad to hear that you're doing even better this month, keep it up! Don't worry to much about trying new things, since you still have a plenty of time ahead of you to experiment and getting experience is worth it. And it looks like this month you had more dreams/experiences with your tulpas which is great! I hope that the next month you'll succeed in vocalization, so the communication between you and your tulpas will be more versatile and convenient than it is right now. I'm happy that I'm able to help you with some advices, ask anything you curious about, I'll answer whenever I'm free.

Welcome! Do keep in mind that a tulpa is more than likely to deviate in some way, shape or form over time. I wouldn't recommend being too "strict", especially when it comes to details like the voice, because there's no guarantee it will stick. Think of it like a children at the beginning, wouldn't you expect resistance or unexpected behavior even though the parents try to impose a specific behavior and personality on them? A tulpa is a new process for you and your brain, it's gonna be full of surprises - realistically nothing bad or weird is gonna happen, but there should be room for deviation of the original plans. Focus right now on making the tulpa a daily habit. Small talks, chatting, try to feel their presence, make them part of your routine, the rest will follow.

The weird dreams I don't understand: nightly nap before work edition It was one of those dreams where different eras of your life sort of blend in: there were coworkers, people from high school, people from middle school, people from places you don't work at anymore, etc - and we were all going to the same school (?) and taking the same lessons. If that isn't weird enough already, my classmate and person sitting next to me was none other than my first partner, who I haven't heard of in almost 10 years - and she apparently had tulpas? The whole dream was a mishmash of situations, mostly about us talking "in code" to avoid being caught having tulpas - apparently she had a sort of Fairy Tail tulpa character named "Blonx" but as far as I know/remember she really was never into anime. After waking up, it took me a good minute or two to recover from it and was left wondering what my brain meant by that, kind of like this:

That's cool - It's interesting how modern progress reports use AI images to add flavor tl the post (that arab prahtoolf guy is the MVP though) I remember doing some photoshops too back when I started, I still have them in my backups, if we ever make a progress report again we'll do the same

Ooh that's super cool! That's a lot of files if you want you could probably just send me a beginners guide if you don't mind. Understandable, I never really used 4chan tbh I sometimes wish I knew about it years ago when I was a kid I was into MLP and such I'd probably already have tulpas way earlier by now ngl lmao. I used 4chan once for my ex bestie and someone stole her art work and that was a few years ago too, so I can only imagine how bad it is now for other stuff. That's good to know I'm glad, you honestly should making your own is way better. I am kinda inconsistent with my playlists to be honest which I'm trying to be more consistent with it. I recently bought clicker counters so I could go on a mental diet and say affirmations daily I think that'll help with my tulpa forcing too. Thank you! And yes! I love Neville Goddard! Surprisingly I was always in spaces where people around me online practiced magick. X3 I do practice lucid dreaming, I have been kinda bad with it due to being sick and busy but I plan on trying to get back into it more. But I do write down my dreams daily so my dreams are pretty vivid to the point I basically have precognition on some things. I was thinking of practicing astral projections recently though. I already practiced the void state and Tulpa meditation, so I wonder when I can even practice AP. I don't think I tried image streaming that's a new thing I'll have to look into that. Yes, I always felt drawn to her. It sucks she's often misunderstood. It's also interesting she's associated with water and I'm a water sign. I also really love her symbolism of love and beauty. Ooh let's goo! As a night owl, myself, I understand. And ooh that's so cool! Ooh you should that would be nice to have, and I understand, I hope your able to get some ok the future. That's fascinating. I looked into some astrology, not much though but it's interesting. I only know a little bit of astrology but I'm a Pisces and for Chinese a Rooster. To be honest I always forget what my mom tells me what tribe we are from, like I remember her talking about it but I keep forgetting 😞 I'll have to ask her again Yay! Let's goo! That makes me think that you're probably from Canadia lol I surprisingly have a lot of friends from Canadia xD Ooh I agree! Isn't that also pop culture paganism too? At least from my research a while ago it mentioned stuff like that. I looked into that stuff because sometimes I think/feel I'm more soulbonded with my tulpas than anything else if that makes sense. So I kinda worked on soulbonding a bit more with them. Like I do both soulbond & tulpamancy techniques which honestly are pretty much the same things as each other. Wow that's literally insane and so cool, this story kinda reminds me of a few lectures Neville Goddard made. I always see people talking about astral realms a lot in the last couple of years. Now I'm wondering if that'll help manifest tulpas in away. Or at least people with more metaphysical beliefs when it comes to tulpas. Thank you! Same for you too! And understandable I'm honestly used to things like that with reality shifting, manifesting, and so on. And yes! That would be fun! I always love making new friends! Feel free to DM, I don't mind! ☺️🩷 Random but I love how this PR went from you talking about your progress and what not to us talking about this sort of stuff.

My experiences with tulpamancy mirror that. Taking a reactive stance toward what you blame for hurting you feels like healing because you think you've freed yourself from it, but if even people's positive experiences and related things trigger a knee-jerk reaction, it still has a hold over you. Healing requires deconstructing your beliefs, understanding what actually hurt you and why, and constructing a new understanding in that light. In the case of someone hurt by religion, it may look like learning that God is not who they were taught He was and that both the Bible and many Christians condemn misusing His name to abuse others. Whether they return to the faith or not, it means understanding faith is a genuine positive influence in many people's lives, not just some tool to manipulate and oppress that these people are too "dumb" or "brainwashed" to see. In my case, it meant realizing how much of a role mental illness played in what went wrong and how reasonable this community's beliefs are compared to what we internalized. I don't know how much that's a case of the community changing over time versus us just having gone off the deep end in the past, but coming back to this site last year was honestly eye-opening. This wasn't the crazy cult I'd convinced myself it was. I wasn't some pariah in their eyes. The "I was brainwashed" narrative I'd believed for years fell apart fast. I don't believe it's a coincidence that my tulpas returned shortly after I let go of my blanket rejection of all things tulpamancy/plurality. Kayleigh's return was conscious on neither my part nor hers. I just unknowingly dissolved whatever mental barriers were keeping her firmly confined to the unconscious, I guess. Oh, absolutely. Tulpamancy/plurality itself is proof of that.

Today I practice meditation a lot To program my self for law of manifestation.

@Shaula Pretend it says "person who brought you into existence" instead of "parent" and try not to overthink the weirdness

Visualization Progress Report for Past Week: This weeks sessions have been quite good. I've continued using the mindset I've acquired from reading Jung's last book and tried to treat even stuff I see with my eyes open as a sort of visualization, at least during my imposition exercises. And since what I see are all visualizations generated or filtered by my psyche, it was ok and made sense for my tulpas' visual forms to be present as well. This mindset had been helpful. I've been able to close my eyes, fully feel out my tulpas' presence in a mental visualization, open my eyes and continue maintaining the same presence before me. I've been able to do it fairly consistently the past week. This tweak in my mindset had provided the most consistently solid presence of my tulpas out of all the things I've tried and experimented with, so far. The tulpas' presence when my eyes are open are not as fully visual as when my eyes are closed, but there have been times when there were either the faintest of outlines of them there, or the feeling of their presence trying to acquire an outline or somehow becoming more visual; the latter sensation had been quite frequent. It's been pretty interesting and feels like things are moving at a faster pace now compared to some of the months past. I've been having more sessions with my window blinds open and with greater light in the room as well. This seemed to help, not because light is inherently good, but that it introduced variety in the visual environment I used for my exercises. For the past week, it feels like I've had instances of there been a visual or almost visual outline with Saeya more often, but it takes more effort to get a good presence of her to begin with. With Verres, getting a detailed presence of her is a lot easier, but she have not come as often to the borderline state of her form being faintly visual or almost visual. There is the vague impression of Verres somehow having more 'data,' and hence having more trouble reaching this state. Nonetheless I had a session tonight where her presence was clear and I had a lot of stable mental imageries of her with my eyes open as I looked at where her presence was, and at times it felt like these imageries were almost overlapped with the visuals I had of the physical reality around me. She moved her wings a bit, shifted the position of her legs and generally acted like a 'normal' winged person sitting in a chair, chatting before me. I came across a brief youtube video a couple of weeks ago that was helpful with visualizing the movement of Verres' wings, I'm linking it here in case it's useful for anyone: The wings are not the same style as what she has, but the movements were still very beneficial to study. For the past week I've continued to try to passively impose the tulpas as I go through out my day, although as mentioned before activities that require great concentration from me are still generally not compatible with this. There were some times when they showed up on their own, as well. Miscellaneous Stuff: I went out to the nearby mall today to walk and impose my tulpas. The mall is resilient, and with each 1.5 or 2 shops that close, one more shop or non-profit opens up in there. I think it's still dying, just really slowly. The tulpas seem to like the idea of the mall trying to put up a fight to survive. It had been a while since I did maintenance work on my mind/subconscious using the Mace Method and Core Image Removal. The tulpas bugged me into doing it this week, and it was helpful. A lot of background emotions that were causing weird bits of distractions and minor unpleasantness had been removed. It feels like the tulpas are more in tune with my unconscious than I am, in general. There was one instance of note when I had a bad interaction with someone, and it felt as if there was a suffocating presence or vibe either in my room or my mind, trying hard to squeeze itself further inside, whatever 'inside' might be. Instead of tolerating it and treating it like a normal bad mood or vibe after a squabble, either Verres or I opted to treat it as a hunk of negative energy to be eliminated. I proceeded go through the steps of Core Image Removal on the funny presence/vibes and had Verres breathe fire all over it at the end, burning it all. I was quite impressed to observe the strange negative presence or vibe disappearing in an almost visceral manner, leaving behind a pretty clear and calm state of mind for me. There were still some small amounts of weird vibes and odd feelings in my mind, and I had Saeya use the Mace Method on those. This left me with an almost pristine state of mind with which to go to bed with. Used to be, I would not do any of these and I'd probably just fall asleep with this sort of nasty vibe after a verbal scuffle and would have probably woken up in an unpleasant state, as well. It feels like I can generally have my tulpas use these techniques more on me as regular maintenance, rather than waiting until I'm in a noticeable state of mental funk to use them.

we're not trying to have fully separate memories, just to be able to keep secrets from each other if we want (i trust my headmates to not abuse this power if we achieve it and they trust me, so this shouldn't cause too many problems) all these posts are very helpful though thank you

Thanks so much everyone! 💙 RIP lmao

K: I’m not paying rent. Don’t give fennec ideas!